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ken in case you missed the last go around of amazingly mind numbing leftist educational entrenchment, i'll say a few things here ive said before and add some new ones too:
when one side changes their story from one decade to another, changes the terms of the argument, is caught manipulating data as well as suppressing others, there seems to be an insurmountable credibility problem to even start with.
that said---here's a partial, but no doubt unsuccessful retort to the criticism about being "informed" ---you know, where the people who are "deniers" are politicians and not "scientists"
Yes, science can be boring for those without imaginations and thought processes. Its boring to many of America's school children, whom get those viewpoints from their parents whom find science boring. Yet, most people I observe these days have smartphones. How did smartphones come about?
You didn't understand how you and others got owned time and again on the science. You take things from sites believing 'HA, this will show them now!", and post it. With some research, it doesn't take long to understand where and how your wrong. Because you don't even understand what your posting. If someone asked you to perform a triple bypass surgery on someone in the next two hours, could you do it? Even with the internet at your finger tips, you would fail and kill the patient. That is why medical doctors study the human body and how it works. They study biology, chemistry and biochemistry. An you would to insult these people, and their work?
All these come from a 'talking points memo' from 2010 it appears....What year are we in bounty?
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“Please remain calm: The Earth will heal itself — Climate is beyond our power to control…Earth doesn’t care about governments or their legislation. You can’t find much actual global warming in present-day weather observations. Climate change is a matter of geologic time, something that the earth routinely does on its own without asking anyone’s permission or explaining itself.” — Nobel Prize-Winning Stanford University Physicist Dr. Robert B. Laughlin, who won the Nobel Prize for physics in 1998, and was formerly a research scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.
What did the professor get his Nobel Prize for exactly? Could you explain the full science to me, please.
The good professor talks from the viewpoint that the Earth as a whole is a living organism (i.e. like you or me). That it cares not what happens on it, since all will eventually even out (sort of a religious belief here). Those two concepts are not within the realm of the Theory of Climate Change. Perhaps the Theory of Abiogenesis or another scientific theory yet to be established. Likewise, the Prof. Laughlin is stating that mankind will never have the tools nor knowledge to understand things. Yeah, because we have no idea how fire, toilets, gamer-level computer rigs, and even the sun operates....
You can find more information here.....
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gee those look like people with expertise in the area, and there's plenty more on the site, and many hundreds more in the report.
there really should be nothing more to say...but incredibly, (see my first line above), there will be.
You dont even know what these people are even talking about. That you feel they are reacting negatively to a concept, that your negative about; it must be the same thing, right? Wrong! Likewise, you and others on this forum view the concept as a religion. Its not a religion. Granted I'm sure there are some that take it as a religious belief, but that is effectively a religion and not science. Because science has one component that religion doesn't: the ability to correct itself.
As we understand more things about the world, the university and even the human body, we find where previous ideas either were limited or not explained fully. In some cases, just wrong. For people like you bounty, you'll never understand. Nor am I even going to attempt to explain it here. That if we research and find something that strikes at the Theory of Climate Change that is different; we'll research the shit out of it. If its found the concept does break the theory, people will go back and re-check everything with consideration of the new evidence (that has created a new definition in the theory).
For a long time, it was the scientific theory that only our planet could create and substain life upon it. As new research came about in tens of thousands of ways, we learn that was not quite the case. So things were changed, based on the new information. At one time, people thought Mars was just a chunk of stone with no really history to it. As we sent craft to study it, examine things, and even take pictures of it; we started noticing new concepts about it. An how did we understand it? Because some of the concepts found on Mars, are found right here on Earth! For a long time the discussion was how to transport water to Mars, believing none existed. Water is VERY heavy to transport. Now, we are aware of ice on Mars. Not only that, but there was once oceans on Mars with at least a depth of one mile.
If you remove all the political bullshit from the theory, what is left? The science known. Got better evidence? Show it. But spare us the mindless and numbing political crap. People wonder why our children are sucking at math and science on an international level....
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