joether
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When I read your post, I suspected two things almost immediately:
1 ) That you were looking for something....ANYTHING....to show dcnovice. But that you never CHECKED THE INFORMATION to see if any of it was factual or not.
2 ) Its a cut/paste job from some anti-climate change site that....ALSO.....didn't bother to check the facts. Or maybe they did, and were hoping the ignorant would take the information 'as is' without checking on it.
You really have a bad habit of not checking the information. If your going to be pushing the argument, wouldn't it make sense to first check if the information is legitimately violent or if it's taken out of context to push a political ideologically?
BTW, I'm not in favor of those whom seek violence or threats as a way to 'get what they want'. Such individuals would use firearm and explosive to push their view, rather than pen and good argument.
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There have been calls for the death or imprisonment of the "deniers," so not really that far off.
Good heavens! From whom?
“We know who the active denialists are—not the people who buy the lies, mind you, but the people who create the lies. Let’s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let’s make them pay. Let’s let their houses burn until the innocent are rescued. Let’s swap their safe land for submerged islands. Let’s force them to bear the cost of rising food prices. They broke the climate. Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?” —Steve Zwick, Forbes, Apr. 19, 2012
It's best to read something in context for its full understanding.... Of three pages, I can see how this quote could be taken out of context....
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“When we’ve finally gotten serious about global warming, when the impacts are really hitting us and we’re in a full worldwide scramble to minimize the damage, we should have war crimes trials for these bastards—some sort of climate Nuremberg.” —David Roberts, Grist, Sep. 19, 2006
Seems this one took some actual researching. There are a number of 'anti-climate change' books that place Mr. Robert's as the original speaker of these words. This would however, not be true. Mr. Roberts was quoting another author, George Monbiot's book "Heat: How to Stop the Planet From Burning". I'm going to take a guess that Mr. Monbiot's words are....again....taken out of context; but I have not read the book to know.
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“…every time someone dies as a result of floods in Bangladesh, an airline executive should be dragged out of his office and drowned.” —George Monbiot, UK journalist, Guardian, Dec. 5, 2006
This one is taken out of context.
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“We can no longer tolerate what’s going on in Ottawa and Edmonton. What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there’s a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they’re doing is a criminal act.” —Dr. David Suzuki, address to the McGill Business Conference on Sustainability, Feb. 2008
Check the information. How many times have we seen conservatives and libertarians in this nation say stuff that was offensive if not violent sounding? How many times did they or one of their spokespeople say later their speech should not have been taken literally? If your going to blame this guy, you would have to blame just about every Tea Party politician and about half of the Republican Party!
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“Disinformation about the state of climate change science is extraordinarily if not criminally irresponsible…” —Dr. Donald Brown web site, Oct. 24, 2010
It does sound violent when taken out of context, doesn't it?
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“If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this: We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.” —Gene Ananth, Greenpeace web site, Apr. 1, 2010
Check out the 'Notes' section at the very bottom of the page.
Dare I say, this sounds almost vaguely 'libertarian' in nature. Also remember that this guy is talking about things from his native land, not the United States of America. Yes, people live in other nations, and do write stuff. The laws and politicians in those lands are the same and different as those in the USA. I guess this one is about perspective given knowledge on the writer.
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
“We know who the active denialists are—not the people who buy the lies, mind you, but the people who create the lies. Let’s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let’s make them pay. Let’s let their houses burn until the innocent are rescued. Let’s swap their safe land for submerged islands. Let’s force them to bear the cost of rising food prices. They broke the climate. Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?” —Steve Zwick, Forbes, Apr. 19, 2012
This is a repeat from the first one above.
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“CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.” —Dr. James Hansen, address to the National Press Club, June 23, 2008
Read the full document. This line of yours is taken out of context.
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Here is a link to a video of Robert Kennedy and several other links of people calling for death or prison:
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/09/21/robert-f-kennedy-jr-wants-to-jail-his-political-opponents-accuses-koch-brothers-of-treason-they-ought-to-be-serving-time-for-it/
How many videos have I seen on liberal websites that show Tea Partiers both known and not, say that Democrats (including that guy in the Oval Office) should be jailed for any number of reasons? An most, if given some time to think on what they stated, may have tone down their words, given the fallout that erupted shortly there after. I'm not going to defend this guy's views; they are his own. He was in America (as far as I could tell), so he has a 1st amendment right.
If we are going to punish the liberal Americans for stating violent stuff; then its fair to do the same with conservatives and libertarians too. I think the prison population will be heavily weighed towards the conservatives and libertarians rather than liberals and moderates.
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Believe it or not, I could go on.
Please go on. This time, try to show stuff that is...IN CONTEXT. Of course, I would like you to also show those that behave irrationally and/or violent/dangerous towards others from the other side of the perspective on the topic of Climate Change. Call it a 1:1 perspective of viewpoints from either side that have cross the line (if what they stated was taken in context). Because I know you wish to be fair and honest in your argument!
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although I agree, if deniers prevent action to be taken which results in the death of people, why shouldn't they be prosecuted for it?
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