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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:03:49 AM   
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If you got contrary evidence sanity, please provide it, otherwise quit your bitching, it's not helping your position.


there is an abundance of "contrary evidence" all over the place---it's been provided in this thread, and in others you've been a part of, you just don't want to believe it.

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:10:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then post it right here, right now, I'm not going hunting to find content that has been posted weeks ago and trying to correct every single piece of misinformation. Plus I daresay I don't remember a single peer reviewed article, just right wing political BS.

In addition, not that you care much for excuses, I was extremely busy the last couple weeks but I do have time now if you're willing to have an actual discussion.

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:13:18 AM   
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Still throwing around insults Bounty? If you got something constructive to say, say it, because some of us would rather have a civilized debate as opposed to both sides whining about each other.


if in the least, making a somewhat astute observation is "throwing around insults"...and if in the most, speaking the truth is "throwing around insults", i strongly encourage you to put me on hide.




Given we share the same pint of view on this sort of thing, I doubt you'd care much if I continue using terms such as denier, moron and irgnorant in reference to you and the other right wingers who deny climate change. After all, it is just speaking the truth.

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:23:27 AM   
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Exactly, so if the others agree then maybe we can get back to the discussion on the science of climate change. To the deniers out there, you can go ahead and make your points. But please keep it scientific with actual peer reviewed research, no political websites, blogs, or organizations that have a clear bias towards big oil or those who profit from denying climate change.


The problem here is that deniers do not understand the material they are babbling about. They are simply going to random sites to find something.....ANYTHING.....that can attack the theory. Indiscriminate of whether that information is credible or not. Since all information they post is credible, from sources that are equally credible (i.e. discredited and debunked scientists).

Deniers do not care for a discussion, they are afraid of such things. They are afraid of what they dont know and dont understand; but others do. They feel that since they and people like them are unscrupulous types, therefore, everyone else must ALSO be unscrupulous! They cant handle the reality that people do this stuff for fun and imagination. There...ALWAYS....has to be a hidden agenda to things.

Likewise, these are the people that have never sat down and learn the basics. Since the Theory of Climate Change is a very advanced concept. Notice they dont have a problem with a triple by-pass in medicine. Even though that's a fair metaphor here. In that its a pretty advance concept in medical science. They may understand first aid, but that's not the same as being a medical doctor. Just as understanding how to read a thermometer is not the same as being a climate scientist.


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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:25:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very true, kinda makes me miss Phydeax a bit, atleast he knew most of the science even though he got some of the details wrong. Made for a much more engaging debate

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:34:21 AM   
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If you got contrary evidence sanity, please provide it, otherwise quit your bitching, it's not helping your position.


And, I am really to assume that you are all about helping my position?

(Video) - Back in 1972 scientifical geniuses just like the ones who are preaching your favorite sermons today were preaching of a coming ice age

"And thats the way it is"

The problem with global cooling as a centerpiece for a leftist propaganda campaign, is that a new ice age was seen as a natural occurrence primarily, and therefore had limited use to demand more political power, raise taxes exponentially, or as a catalyst in the never-ending effort to shut down capitalism, the rocket engine of Western democracies

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:36:45 AM   
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If you got contrary evidence sanity, please provide it, otherwise quit your bitching, it's not helping your position.


there is an abundance of "contrary evidence" all over the place---it's been provided in this thread, and in others you've been a part of, you just don't want to believe it.


There is that word 'believe'. Belief is a religious term, NOT, a scientific one. You believe there is contrary evidence, but do not have actual evidence. That is because when someone makes an argument, it is tested. It is documented. It is studied. Hence, the amount of 'contrary evidence' that Climate Change is taking place is basically 'nil' right now. Likewise with 'Is mankind creating this problem, minus all other possible variables?". That too has very little evidence against it. The question "What can be done about it?" is the question with some contrary evidence right now.

That you find some nugget somewhere you think "HA! I found it, the once piece that disproves the entire length of Climate Change". Reality is, that nugget has already been studied. How would you know about it, if it wasn't studied already? All of what you know about the planet and its conditions has come from science. The very thing your trying desperately to undermine and failing.

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:40:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ooh! Look, you pointed out how scientists got something wrong. Just like how we once thought the earth was flat and humans were created 6000 years ago. Seriously man, if your whole argument is based around the fact that science is always improving and getting more accurate, then you're doing nothing but stating an obvious fact. Science is always improving to reflect what we know and observe about the world. We are observing increases in global yearly temperatures, we are observing increases in CO2 in our atmosphere, we are observing growing sea ice extent and shrinking land ice volume in the Antarctic, we are observing the melting of glaciers world wide, we are observing droughts every year and losses in the agriculture industry due to this. And there is much more we are observing, you just refuse to acknowledge it. There is no excuse for ignorance, and willful ignorance is more self harming than beneficial.

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:51:49 AM   
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"...scientists got something wrong"

HERESY!!!

Send Al Gore $20,000.00 immediately and ye shall be spared the rack

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:54:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		a very helpful website for all my knuckle dragging low brow fellow deniers out there:

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:54:30 AM   
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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:55:33 AM   
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a very helpful website for all my knuckle dragging low brow fellow deniers out there:

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/


Biased, political, and not a shred of scientific research? Check, perfect for you knuckle draggers, enjoy! Not to mention I love how they think weather is climate, talk about ignorant XD if you really want to know what climate is, Wikipedia has a very good definition ;)

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 11:59:08 AM   
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a very helpful website for all my knuckle dragging low brow fellow deniers out there:

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/


Biased, political, and not a shred of scientific research? Check, perfect for you knuckle draggers, enjoy! Not to mention I love how they think weather is climate, talk about ignorant XD if you really want to know what climate is, Wikipedia has a very good definition ;)


Remember though - weather IS climate, if it helps the alarmist propaganda campaign.

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 12:03:55 PM   
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a very helpful website for all my knuckle dragging low brow fellow deniers out there:

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/


Heres a good article from that site:


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U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Global Warming Scare

By ElmerB on February 11, 2015 in News, Opinion, Paris 2015

Investors.com

Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.

At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.


Theyre rarely honest like that

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 12:05:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		The new movie, 'Merchants of Doubt' contain exact quotes and interviews of PR people who designed the cigarette company campaigns against 'Science' and are now lead workers in 'Climate Change Denial'. "If you can sell cigarettes, you can sell anything," one brags.
Additional new discovery of records shows exactly the same work by the Sugar Industry on dental caries during time frame of the cigarette campaign. It's not a new tactic, to simply create 'credible doubt' when you don't have data to invalidate research. And we see the posts here daily of those who keep falling for the same smoke screens and flat lies. Congratulations, to all those carrying the water for cynical capitalists. Hope you are getting paid, the people creating the doubts are.

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 12:09:43 PM   
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If you got contrary evidence sanity, please provide it, otherwise quit your bitching, it's not helping your position.


And, I am really to assume that you are all about helping my position?

(Video) - Back in 1972 scientifical geniuses just like the ones who are preaching your favorite sermons today were preaching of a coming ice age

"And thats the way it is"

The problem with global cooling as a centerpiece for a leftist propaganda campaign, is that a new ice age was seen as a natural occurrence primarily, and therefore had limited use to demand more political power, raise taxes exponentially, or as a catalyst in the never-ending effort to shut down capitalism, the rocket engine of Western democracies


Always with with conspiracies. Never a dull moment with you in a thread like this one. Are we in 1970? 71? 72? 73? 74? 75? 76? 77? 78? or 79?

The answer is we are in the year 2015. The technology is much better than it was in the 1970s for understanding things. Likewise the evidence gathered, studied and retested has had forty or more years to do so.

What was our understanding of cancer in medical science? Compare to now, which is better? Was the technology and technique in fighting cancer better in the 1970's compared to today?

For you to say there is some conspiracy going on is just silly. Its a belief that has little evidence supporting it. Or should I be a bit more clear, legitimate evidence, supporting it.




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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 12:10:33 PM   
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When the predictions of a theory are not confirmed by observation, the theory is wrong. Whether or not the Earth is actually warming is irrelevant. The theory's predictions of how much it would warm have not been confirmed by observation. Therefore, the theory is wrong. Or at best incomplete, but even that's being charitable. More troubling is the fact that the IPCC itself acknowledged 14 years ago that predicting the future state of a non-linear chaotic system on decadal scales is impossible.

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 12:14:03 PM   
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a very helpful website for all my knuckle dragging low brow fellow deniers out there:

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/


Biased, political, and not a shred of scientific research? Check, perfect for you knuckle draggers, enjoy! Not to mention I love how they think weather is climate, talk about ignorant XD if you really want to know what climate is, Wikipedia has a very good definition ;)


Remember though - weather IS climate, if it helps the alarmist propaganda campaign.


Lol, climate is weather over time. But things like a drought, which is an example of weather, is compared to past measurements of moisture in that same location. This "alarmist propoganda campaign" utilizes weather and compares it to past years, and when you look at weather over consecutive years, what does that make it? I'll give you three chances to get the answer right ;)

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 12:15:00 PM   
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"...to all those carrying the water for... capitalists..."

I appreciate posts such as yours, as they work to underscore how the alarmist crowd is but a front group for socialist control freaks bent on enslaving people the world over to their much failed (many times over) ideology

Anyone who enjoys their freedom, especially their economic freedom, should be helping to carry said water

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RE: Climate Change - 3/14/2015 12:15:39 PM   
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a very helpful website for all my knuckle dragging low brow fellow deniers out there:

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/


Heres a good article from that site:


quote:

U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Global Warming Scare

By ElmerB on February 11, 2015 in News, Opinion, Paris 2015

Investors.com

Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.

At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.


Theyre rarely honest like that


Ya because you can totally rely on a biased website for truthful information on science

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