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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 5:40:06 PM   
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The left was just fine with Hitler and Nazism until Russia was invaded.


Who exactly do you mean by the left, because in Europe almost everyone was at war with Germany long before Russia was.



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 5:42:01 PM   
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Maybe so, but nevertheless it seems to be important to some people to rub Americans' noses in shit that was done a couple of hundred years ago by people who are now dead.

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You mean like you do with Muslims ? That aside, your couple of hunred years was only one hundred years, racial segregation in the south not withstanding.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 5:46:51 PM   
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The left was just fine with Hitler and Nazism until Russia was invaded.


Not at all. Liberals and progressives were very much against Hitler and Nazism, including FDR and many in his administration. He did what he could to help the Allied cause against Hitler, short of declaring war, which he knew he didn't have enough congressional support to get.

On the other hand, Hitler found some supporters from the American far right, although from what I've read, many of them were such crackpots that even the Nazis didn't want them.

As for the far left, they weren't exactly "fine" with Hitler, even though the Soviets signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler. It may have been a calculated maneuver, although there were still extreme fundamental differences between the far left and far right.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 6:11:36 PM   
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Maybe so, but nevertheless it seems to be important to some people to rub Americans' noses in shit that was done a couple of hundred years ago by people who are now dead.

You mean like you do with Muslims? That aside, your couple of hunred years was only one hundred years, racial segregation in the south not withstanding.

You're lying again. Is this a compulsion with you, or just habit?

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 6:37:47 PM   
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Hitler and the Nazis had no love for the United States. They believed the US to be a decadent, corrosive culture.

The only country they held any respect for was England. Hitler liked to watch films about the British Empire in India and they pursued a policy of conciliation with us believing we were natural allies.

He was certainly 'influenced' by Darwin, except he was too stupid to understand what Darwin was actually saying.

As for gas chambers and the like, they made it up as they went along. No great plan; no great inspiration. Simply a pack of petty criminals, thugs, social misfits, pig farmers and out-and-out lunatics who would gave struggled to run a bath let alone a country.



That must be why Hitler called the British a nation of shopkeepers, and it was not meant as a compliment.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 6:58:11 PM   
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That must be why Hitler called the British a nation of shopkeepers, and it was not meant as a compliment.


That was Napoleon.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 7:04:11 PM   
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dont confuse3 him with facts peon.......they were both european, and short.....

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 7:07:34 PM   
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That must be why Hitler called the British a nation of shopkeepers, and it was not meant as a compliment.

That was Napoleon.

Who appropriated it from Adam Smith, though some credit should be given to Josiah Tucker, Dean of Gloucester.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/12650.html

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 7:18:59 PM   
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As clowns go, you constanly make me laugh Bonzo.



You really should change your screen name to Angry Little Man

Or perhaps Trollish Little Man







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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 7:36:14 PM   
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dont confuse3 him with facts peon.......they were both european, and short.....


Apparently Napoleon wasn't a shortarse: this was propaganda during the Napoleonic Wars - to make the enemy look ridiculous, that sort of thing ....

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/03/napolean-bonaparte-having-been-short-is-a-myth/

... Also, one's own national heroes are literally 'bigged up'. Hitler was 5' 8"; Churchill was 5' 6", according to this site
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/oct/18/world-leader-heights-tall

Irrelevant to the debate at hand, but interesting. :-)


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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 9:03:35 PM   
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The left was just fine with Hitler and Nazism until Russia was invaded.


Who exactly do you mean by the left, because in Europe almost everyone was at war with Germany long before Russia was.





The US. Since this thread is about how it was the US that caused the German atrocities.

Specifically if you look at Hollywood and Publishing at the time you can see it.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 10:04:46 PM   
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dont confuse3 him with facts peon.......they were both european, and short.....


Apparently Napoleon wasn't a shortarse: this was propaganda during the Napoleonic Wars - to make the enemy look ridiculous, that sort of thing ....

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/03/napolean-bonaparte-having-been-short-is-a-myth/

... Also, one's own national heroes are literally 'bigged up'. Hitler was 5' 8"; Churchill was 5' 6", according to this site
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/oct/18/world-leader-heights-tall

Irrelevant to the debate at hand, but interesting. :-)


you havent seen his member?
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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 10:12:37 PM   
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The left was just fine with Hitler and Nazism until Russia was invaded.


Who exactly do you mean by the left, because in Europe almost everyone was at war with Germany long before Russia was.





The US. Since this thread is about how it was the US that caused the German atrocities.

Specifically if you look at Hollywood and Publishing at the time you can see it.

you do seem to have problems with parsing. Again
get help.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 10:41:43 PM   
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The left was just fine with Hitler and Nazism until Russia was invaded.


Not at all. Liberals and progressives were very much against Hitler and Nazism, including FDR and many in his administration. He did what he could to help the Allied cause against Hitler, short of declaring war, which he knew he didn't have enough congressional support to get.

On the other hand, Hitler found some supporters from the American far right, although from what I've read, many of them were such crackpots that even the Nazis didn't want them.

As for the far left, they weren't exactly "fine" with Hitler, even though the Soviets signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler. It may have been a calculated maneuver, although there were still extreme fundamental differences between the far left and far right.


Indeed, without Standard Oil (Rockefeller) and their fuel, the Luftwaffe's bombers don't get off the ground. And I am sure Prescott Bush's Union Bank helped the cause, laundering $3 million in Nazi dollars.

As in most wars, western bankers are only too happy to finance both sides.

What inspired Hitler as much as anything the US did, was how the govt, dealt with the American Indian. A concerted Republican policy BTW.

On June 27, 1865, General William Tecumseh Sherman was given command of the Military District of the Missouri, which was one of the five military divisions into which the U.S. government had divided the country.

Sherman received this command for the purpose of commencing the 25-year war against the Plains Indians, primarily as a form of veiled subsidy to the government-subsidized railroad corporations and other politically connected corporations involved in building the transcontinental railroads.

These corporations were the financial backbone of the Republican Party. Indeed, in June 1861, Abraham Lincoln, former legal counsel of the Illinois Central Railroad, called a special emergency session of Congress not to deal with the two-month-old Civil War, but to commence work on the Pacific Railway Act.

Subsidizing the transcontinental railroads was a primary (if not the primary) objective of the new Republican Party.


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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 6:42:17 AM   
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Maybe so, but nevertheless it seems to be important to some people to rub Americans' noses in shit that was done a couple of hundred years ago by people who are now dead.

K.
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You mean like you do with Muslims ? That aside, your couple of hunred years was only one hundred years, racial segregation in the south not withstanding.




I know you wouldn't make a claim like that unless you could back it up so I know you will be back soon with a link showing us exactly what you mean.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 6:57:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

The left was just fine with Hitler and Nazism until Russia was invaded.


Not at all. Liberals and progressives were very much against Hitler and Nazism, including FDR and many in his administration. He did what he could to help the Allied cause against Hitler, short of declaring war, which he knew he didn't have enough congressional support to get.

On the other hand, Hitler found some supporters from the American far right, although from what I've read, many of them were such crackpots that even the Nazis didn't want them.

As for the far left, they weren't exactly "fine" with Hitler, even though the Soviets signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler. It may have been a calculated maneuver, although there were still extreme fundamental differences between the far left and far right.


Indeed, without Standard Oil (Rockefeller) and their fuel, the Luftwaffe's bombers don't get off the ground. And I am sure Prescott Bush's Union Bank helped the cause, laundering $3 million in Nazi dollars.

As in most wars, western bankers are only too happy to finance both sides.

What inspired Hitler as much as anything the US did, was how the govt, dealt with the American Indian. A concerted Republican policy BTW.

On June 27, 1865, General William Tecumseh Sherman was given command of the Military District of the Missouri, which was one of the five military divisions into which the U.S. government had divided the country.

Sherman received this command for the purpose of commencing the 25-year war against the Plains Indians, primarily as a form of veiled subsidy to the government-subsidized railroad corporations and other politically connected corporations involved in building the transcontinental railroads.

These corporations were the financial backbone of the Republican Party. Indeed, in June 1861, Abraham Lincoln, former legal counsel of the Illinois Central Railroad, called a special emergency session of Congress not to deal with the two-month-old Civil War, but to commence work on the Pacific Railway Act.

Subsidizing the transcontinental railroads was a primary (if not the primary) objective of the new Republican Party.


And I'm sure you can cite a source that verifies that Hitler often...or even once...spoke/wrote of the inspiration provided by this chapter of American history.

If you can't, then why not just go ahead and admit that it was a way to use American wrongdoings that may...or may not have...inspired Hitler to include a slam at the Republican Party of 160 years ago. A party...As is often said about the Democratic Party...is quiet a bit different than the party today.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 7:30:40 AM   
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Are you denying he did ....at all?
or just obfuscating......what do you want , video?
or a direct line to hell?
do you have anything that negates the op in any way?


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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 7:44:01 AM   
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The OP is stupid.

"It should be noted that while the Americans sprayed their victims with toxic chemicals, they restricted use of Zyklon B to freight and clothes..."

It was the Nazis idea, in partnership with their Islamic allies, to use it on people

We are still using toxic chemicals on people today. At least I hope we are

Doesnt mean we are Nazis

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 7:47:58 AM   
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With opinions like yours about Arabs, it's no surprise that some people draw comparisons

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 7:48:10 AM   
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i couldnt expect anything else from you, but..... thanks for your amazing insight and incredible ability to make your post completely irrelavent .

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