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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 7:49:55 AM   
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Ja, aber ich kann dich durch shauen!

America (and Britain) supported Nazism because it was the only possible way to fight communism, without actual involvment. After the 1929 crisis, communist (and socialist) parties that proliferated in the 1920s grew even more in the 1930s. Nazism had a plan to end them. All industry owners who had large companies and presence in Germany supported Nazism. Even the American and British governments supported Nazism, because they saw it as a way to block communism in Europe.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Support_Hitler_US.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
http://www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Companies_That_Surprisingly_Collaborated_With_the_Nazis
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of_the_europ.htm
https://libcom.org/library/allied-multinationals-supply-nazi-germany-world-war-2
http://listverse.com/2013/10/24/10-big-business-nazi-profiteers/


ad nauseam.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 7:50:43 AM   
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Maybe this is how you take care of lice up in Canada

Up here we still use toxic chemicals on people, just like in your OP comparing all Americans to Nazis

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 7:52:07 AM   
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Lol, and this guy thinks we're the Trolls

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 7:55:11 AM   
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Maybe this is you take care of lice up in Canada

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well, that impressive.
for you.....
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not even a fully formed sentence.


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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:00:12 AM   
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With opinions like yours about Arabs, it's no surprise that some people draw comparisons


So... You are fine with insane people pretending that delousing people, and treating them for diseases and infections as they entered the United States inspired Nazis, while if someone brings up one of the real main historical inspirations for Adolf Hitler, you cast aspersions...

And you think yourself brilliant, all the while

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:05:56 AM   
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In a recent article titled "Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim,” the Wall Street Journal draws our attention to two books that reflect the historical Nazi-Islamic supremacist axis.

Given the goings-on in Europe, we thought these to be poignant titles adding necessary context to a continent that appears to be a potential powder-keg.



Of Stefan Ihrig’s ”Atatürk in the Nazi Imagination,” the Journal writes:

Through the 1920s and 1930s, Nazi publications lauded Turkey as a friend and forerunner. In 1922, for example, the Völkischer Beobachter, the Nazi Party’s weekly paper, praised Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the “Father of the Turks,” as a “real man,” embodying the “heroic spirit” and the Führerprinzip, or führer principle, that demanded absolute obedience. Atatürk’s subordination of Islam to the state anticipated Hitler’s strategy toward Christianity. The Nazis presented Turkey as stronger for having massacred its Armenians and expelling its Greeks. “Who,” Hitler asked in August 1939, “speaks today of the extermination of the Armenians?”

Apparently Hitler believed in the congruence between the values and principles espoused by Islam and his vision of Nietzsche’s “Übermensch”:

‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

Of David Motadel’s “Islam and Nazi Germany’s War,” the Journal writes:

…Muslims fought on both sides in World War II. But only Nazis and Islamists had a political-spiritual romance. Both groups hated Jews, Bolsheviks and liberal democracy. Both sought what Michel Foucault, praising the Iranian Revolution in 1979, would later call the spiritual-political “transfiguration of the world” by “combat.” The caliph, the Islamist Zaki Ali explained, was the “führer of the believers.” Made by Jews, led by Jews—therewith Bolshevism is the natural enemy of Islam,” wrote Mahomed Sabry, a Berlin-based propagandist for the Muslim Brotherhood in “Islam, Judaism, Bolshevism,” a book that the Reich’s propaganda ministry recommended to journalists.

By late 1941, Germany controlled large Muslim populations in southeastern Europe and North Africa. Nazi policy extended the grand schemes of imperial Germany toward madly modern ends. To aid the “liberation struggle of Islam,” the propaganda ministry told journalists to praise “the Islamic world as a cultural factor,” avoid criticism of Islam, and substitute “anti-Jewish” for “anti-Semitic.” In April 1942, Hitler became the first European leader to declare that Islam was “incapable of terrorism.”

…As the war went on, Balkan Muslims were added to the “racially valuable peoples of Europe.” The Palestinian Arab leader Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, recruited thousands of these “Musligermanics” as the first non-Germanic volunteers for the SS. Soviet prisoners of Turkic origin volunteered too. In November 1944, Himmler and the Mufti created an SS-run school for military imams at Dresden.

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the founder of Palestinian nationalism, is notorious for his efforts to persuade the Nazis to extend their genocide of the Jews to the Palestine Mandate. The Mufti met Hitler and Himmler in Berlin in 1941 and asked the Nazis to guarantee that when the Wehrmacht drove the British from Palestine, Germany would establish an Arab regime and assist in the “removal” of its Jews. Hitler replied that the Reich would not intervene in the Mufti’s kingdom, other than to pursue their shared goal: “the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space.” The Mufti settled in Berlin, befriended Adolf Eichmann, and lobbied the governments of Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria to cancel a plan to transfer Jews to Palestine. Subsequently, some 400,000 Jews from these countries were sent to death camps.

On these matters, we also highly recommend the late Barry Rubin’s “Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East.”


I dont care if you like the source, these are excerpts from books just as the OP is an excerpt from a book

The one book as a source is just as good as another. Anyone can write a book. Like vs like, apples to apples



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:23:10 AM   
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The Muslims siding with the Nazis was simply because they were not British. That was the lock stock and barrel of it.

We as Americans had turned many into our allies in the middle east.

I will leave it as an exercise to the reader to understand British colonialism and hegemony, suzerainty, dominion, whatever you want to call it in the Middle East and North Africa.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:23:54 AM   
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Maybe this is you take care of lice up in Canada

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well, that impressive.
for you.....
well done.
not even a fully formed sentence.



Okay, fine - I edited it for clarity for you

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:27:40 AM   
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The Muslims siding with the Nazis was simply because they were not British. That was the lock stock and barrel of it.

We as Americans had turned many into our allies in the middle east.

I will leave it as an exercise to the reader to understand British colonialism and hegemony, suzerainty, dominion, whatever you want to call it in the Middle East and North Africa.


AND they hate / hated Jewish people

Not trivial, that

Not that we expect you to be a fount of honesty, wit and clarity but... Several other things, as well

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:29:06 AM   
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Ja, but not a big deal before 1949 now, was it? You are about as fucking stupid as a beet.

You are the font of cretinism and lies. We expect nothing from you.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:30:04 AM   
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Are you denying he did ....at all?
or just obfuscating......what do you want , video?
or a direct line to hell?
do you have anything that negates the op in any way?


If, by OP, you mean the original post by you, I m not dealing with that in my post to Mr. Rodgers...I'm dealing with Mr. Rodgers flat out statement of what inspired Hitler.

"What inspired Hitler as much as anything the US did, was how the govt, dealt with the American Indian. A concerted Republican policy BTW."

Now then, given how much everybody on these forums likes facts...especially when a particularly odious claim is made...yes, I do want a source. Otherwise, Mr. Rogers opinion is just that...an opinion, based on HIS belief and NOT based on any citable facts.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:30:33 AM   
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Maybe this is you take care of lice up in Canada

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well, that impressive.
for you.....
well done.
not even a fully formed sentence.



You are correct. There isn't a fully formed sentence in either one of those posts.

But unless your point is that you can mangle words just as well as he can, I am not sure where you are going with this.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:33:58 AM   
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Maybe this is you take care of lice up in Canada

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well, that impressive.
for you.....
well done.
not even a fully formed sentence.



Okay, fine - I edited it for clarity for you


Not sure why that was necessary. I think folks could see it for the trollish post it was without you clarifying anything.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:34:09 AM   
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Are you denying he did ....at all?
or just obfuscating......what do you want , video?
or a direct line to hell?
do you have anything that negates the op in any way?


If, by OP, you mean the original post by you, I m not dealing with that in my post to Mr. Rodgers...I'm dealing with Mr. Rodgers flat out statement of what inspired Hitler.

"What inspired Hitler as much as anything the US did, was how the govt, dealt with the American Indian. A concerted Republican policy BTW."

Now then, given how much everybody on these forums likes facts...especially when a particularly odious claim is made...yes, I do want a source. Otherwise, Mr. Rogers opinion is just that...an opinion, based on HIS belief and NOT based on any citable facts.


Oh, lol... I didnt catch that. Republicans are responsible for what happened to the native Americans...

These people have no limits, no shame, no sense



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:35:57 AM   
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Maybe this is you take care of lice up in Canada

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well, that impressive.
for you.....
well done.
not even a fully formed sentence.



You are correct. There isn't a fully formed sentence in either one of those posts.

But unless your point is that you can mangle words just as well as he can, I am not sure where you are going with this.


You misunderstand, as usual. Its far from trollish. Lucy claimed that using chemicals on people is Naziism, and I am just illustrating a point.



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 8:47:52 AM   
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You misunderstand, as usual. Its far from trollish. Lucy claimed that using chemicals on people is Naziism, and I am just illustrating a point.




That's always possible. So why don't you provide a link to the post where she says that and we can go from there.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 9:00:08 AM   
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You misunderstand, as usual. Its far from trollish. Lucy claimed that using chemicals on people is Naziism, and I am just illustrating a point.




That's always possible. So why don't you provide a link to the post where she says that and we can go from there.


No problem

"A brilliant new book by a Mexican-American historian documents how, in the Twenties and Thirties, the Nazis were inspired by what the United States had been doing to their Mexican neighbours since 1917...

...Mexican visitors were forced to strip naked and subjected to... 'disinfection' with various toxic fumigants, including gasoline, kerosene, sulfuric acid, DDT and, after 1929, Zyklon-B (hydrocyanic acid) - the same gas used in the Holocaust's death camps.
"

Later in that same post it was admitted that the Zyklon-B wasnt used on people at all

A lot of that was very likely fiction, I suspect its much like the Ferguson agitators pushing their "Hands up dont shoot" lie

Its all about stirring shit, making people hate. In this case, making Hispanics hate whites



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 9:05:58 AM   
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So, you cannot link to a post where she said what you lyingly claimed. Nobody thought you could.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 9:08:23 AM   
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Ja, but not a big deal before 1949 now, was it? You are about as fucking stupid as a beet.

You are the font of cretinism and lies. We expect nothing from you.


"Derrr... yoo is a stoooopit... derrr"

Step up your game old man, you are playing the part of a fool on here

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 9:18:29 AM   
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and you the part of the rightwing tyrannical shiteater goon and thug. She did not say it, and you did not link it.

You fucking cretin. It is a prima facie lie.

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Please do not change the thread title, a member’s nickname or a quoted post.


You have violated this guideline. It is your stock in trade as a lying shitbreather.

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