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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 11:11:30 AM   
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I am not obsessing over DDT. It is a nefarious and deadly toxin to life. You have made continuous dishonest statements on this thread, as well as attacking everyone on it.

I am simply pointing out that you are knowingly lying, derailing, acting the goon and thug, propagandizing more than Himmler, lying more than the rightwing fascist shiteating goons and thugs do, of which there is ample evidence of that, and am further identifying you as an imbecile.

In other words, enumerating actual credible, citable facts.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 11:40:17 AM   
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Are you denying he did ....at all?
or just obfuscating......what do you want , video?
or a direct line to hell?
do you have anything that negates the op in any way?


If, by OP, you mean the original post by you, I m not dealing with that in my post to Mr. Rodgers...I'm dealing with Mr. Rodgers flat out statement of what inspired Hitler.

"What inspired Hitler as much as anything the US did, was how the govt, dealt with the American Indian. A concerted Republican policy BTW."

Now then, given how much everybody on these forums likes facts...especially when a particularly odious claim is made...yes, I do want a source. Otherwise, Mr. Rogers opinion is just that...an opinion, based on HIS belief and NOT based on any citable facts.

Im going to ask you to clarify what particular part?the republican part? The american indian part?
because i gave a link to the american indian part in the op
other than that......mr rodgers is more than capable of responding

I am denying that Hitler was inspired by the chapter of American History that Mr. Rodgers spoke of. If he...or anyone else...can bring forth information that backs his statement that Hitler was indeed inspired by that particular chapter of American History, bring it forward. Otherwise...it is Mr. Rogers opinion that Hitler was inspired by it.



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 11:41:57 AM   
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I was discussing the topic, before sanity shit on it.
then boi, came in for the attack.
not the other way around.

but wutevah


Lets see

Your topic... Americans are like Nazis

Yeah, okay. Guilty as charged, I shit all over that.

And Boi cracked me up, your only reply to that post was to come at me playing the part of a typo Nazi... Only thing was, your grammar was poor

Pretty funny

Hilarious even


Like a couple of others, you have a serious challenge with comprehension
I never claimed anything like "Americans are like nazis"
But I post your own countries history, obviously not a popular part, you cant handle that, so the brit is slagging off the usa....
You and others have been ramming leftists are nazis, leftists are islamists, leftists are communists for years......someone mentioned a book about hitler, so i did a search for the author.....i ordered the book, and flipped thru some of the other tags he came under on google, checking out his life, books articles, and hit on parts of his book being mentioned in othernews, articles, i found the three links aNd decided to share it.
now you want to brush it all off by saying they did thing s differently back then?
oh so the history of atrocities you claim as leftist can be erased and never used again?
I doubt that. Dont expect anything to change. You have to want to change, and stop lying to everyone, but especially yourself.

Ps , you brought up ddt, now you wanna drop it?
lol getting your ass handed to you again MUST be so tiring.
nice one ron



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 11:43:52 AM   
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Read John Tolands biography of old 'Dolph, he thinks so, and it is the definitive biography.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 11:46:48 AM   
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Are you denying he did ....at all?
or just obfuscating......what do you want , video?
or a direct line to hell?
do you have anything that negates the op in any way?


If, by OP, you mean the original post by you, I m not dealing with that in my post to Mr. Rodgers...I'm dealing with Mr. Rodgers flat out statement of what inspired Hitler.

"What inspired Hitler as much as anything the US did, was how the govt, dealt with the American Indian. A concerted Republican policy BTW."

Now then, given how much everybody on these forums likes facts...especially when a particularly odious claim is made...yes, I do want a source. Otherwise, Mr. Rogers opinion is just that...an opinion, based on HIS belief and NOT based on any citable facts.

Im going to ask you to clarify what particular part?the republican part? The american indian part?
because i gave a link to the american indian part in the op
other than that......mr rodgers is more than capable of responding

I am denying that Hitler was inspired by the chapter of American History that Mr. Rodgers spoke of. If he...or anyone else...can bring forth information that backs his statement that Hitler was indeed inspired by that particular chapter of American History, bring it forward. Otherwise...it is Mr. Rogers opinion that Hitler was inspired by it.




maybe he was discussing this part of the op
http://www.jewishjournal.com/sacredintentions/item/hitlers_inspiration_and_guide_the_native_american_holocaust


The film talked about The Long Walk of the Navajo, which was the 1864 deportation and attempted ethnic cleansing of the Navajo people by the U.S. government. 8,000 Navajos were forced to walk more than 300 miles at gunpoint from their ancestral homelands in northeastern Arizona and northwestern New Mexico to an internment camp in Bosque Redondo, which was a desolate tract on the Pecos River in eastern New Mexico. Many died along the way. From 1863 to 1868, the U.S. Military persecuted and imprisoned 9,500 Navajo (the Diné) and 500 Mescalero Apache (the N’de). Living under armed guards, in holes in the ground, with extremely scarce rations, it is no wonder that more than 3,500 Navajo and Mescalero Apache men, women, and children died while in the concentration camp.
During the film I learned about something that shook me to my core that I had not heard before. I learned that the genocidal mentality and actions of the U.S. policy makers would find similar expression years later when the Nazis, under Hitler, studied the plans of Bosque Redondo to design the concentration camps for Jews.

As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):
Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.
He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 11:49:29 AM   
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Read John Tolands biography of old 'Dolph, he thinks so, and it is the definitive biography.

Heh, i just ordered it......out of curiosity



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 12:18:46 PM   
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Hitler and the Nazis had no love for the United States. They believed the US to be a decadent, corrosive culture.

The only country they held any respect for was England. Hitler liked to watch films about the British Empire in India and they pursued a policy of conciliation with us believing we were natural allies.

He was certainly 'influenced' by Darwin, except he was too stupid to understand what Darwin was actually saying.

As for gas chambers and the like, they made it up as they went along. No great plan; no great inspiration. Simply a pack of petty criminals, thugs, social misfits, pig farmers and out-and-out lunatics who would gave struggled to run a bath let alone a country.



That must be why Hitler called the British a nation of shopkeepers, and it was not meant as a compliment.


Napoleon called the English a nation of shopkeepers, with emphasis on our disposition towards small business. Hitler may have repeated this after he'd been told more than once that we had no respect for him, his party and their principles.

They completely failed to grasp that English values and Nazi philosophy were polar opposites.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 12:34:48 PM   
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maybe he was discussing this part of the op
http://www.jewishjournal.com/sacredintentions/item/hitlers_inspiration_and_guide_the_native_american_holocaust


The film talked about The Long Walk of the Navajo, which was the 1864 deportation and attempted ethnic cleansing of the Navajo people by the U.S. government. 8,000 Navajos were forced to walk more than 300 miles at gunpoint from their ancestral homelands in northeastern Arizona and northwestern New Mexico to an internment camp in Bosque Redondo, which was a desolate tract on the Pecos River in eastern New Mexico. Many died along the way. From 1863 to 1868, the U.S. Military persecuted and imprisoned 9,500 Navajo (the Diné) and 500 Mescalero Apache (the N’de). Living under armed guards, in holes in the ground, with extremely scarce rations, it is no wonder that more than 3,500 Navajo and Mescalero Apache men, women, and children died while in the concentration camp.
During the film I learned about something that shook me to my core that I had not heard before. I learned that the genocidal mentality and actions of the U.S. policy makers would find similar expression years later when the Nazis, under Hitler, studied the plans of Bosque Redondo to design the concentration camps for Jews.

As Pulitzer Prize-winning author, John Toland, notes in his book Adolf Hitler (pg. 202):
Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.
He was very interested in the way the Indian population had rapidly declined due to epidemics and starvation when the United States government forced them to live on the reservations. He thought the American government's forced migrations of the Indians over great distances to barren reservation land was a deliberate policy of extermination. Just how much Hitler took from the American example of the destruction of the Indian nations is hard to say; however, frightening parallels can be drawn. For some time Hitler considered deporting the Jews to a large 'reservation' in the Lubin area where their numbers would be reduced through starvation and disease.


Huh... The United States alone... Hmmm...

Despite the leftist mantra to that effect, I dont think so:

How Canada Committed Genocide Against the First Nations People

The examples go on an on, probably every culture has pushed other cultures out ever since before we first fucked the Neanderthals and they tried to fuck us

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 12:36:22 PM   
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The British Government did not support Nazism, and I'd be amazed were it any different with the United States government.

There will have been a few cranks, granted, but in countries of millions of people it couldn't be any different.

The British government didn't object to Germans in one country, because Nazis or otherwise it was felt they were all Germans and there was no good reason to oppose this idea.

It wasn't in the interests of the British Government to have one dominant power lording it over continental Europe, and as soon as the cat was out of the bag we declared war, even though we didn't have much to fight them with.

The British Government saw both the communists and the nazis as natural enemies, due to our liberal tendancies.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 12:39:09 PM   
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Huh... The United States alone... Hmmm..


another lie, doesnt say that, no one has said that. ad hominem tu quoque.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 12:51:02 PM   
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I never said "alone " either.

Trying to pretend i dont know what happened to canadian indians is a dumb obfuscation, i could probably teach you, far more accurately, than you could ever wish to know.
Contrary to popular belief some immigrants do learn the history of the country they move too.
but hey lets stick to the topic.


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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 12:52:32 PM   
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Huh... The United States alone... Hmmm..


another lie, doesnt say that, no one has said that. ad hominem tu quoque.


So you admit it. Africans did similar things, Incas did, Muslims, the Spanish, the English... Probably every culture

This thread is just about bashing America then

Thank you

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 12:57:44 PM   
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I expect we will no longer be bashing democrats and liberals, what with the rightwing shiteating facists having done it all before anyone.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 1:00:25 PM   
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Sanity, No, its not about bashing america.. you can whinge and whinge all you want, it isnt going to make it the fact let alone the truth.




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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 1:03:49 PM   
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Sanity, No, its not about bashing america.. you can whinge and whinge all you want, it isnt going to make it the fact let alone the truth.





Well then your books are about inspiring hate, right? Hate the white Americans who inspired the Nazis, and did these things to your people?

Or is it not geared specifically toward Hispanics.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 1:18:35 PM   
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see my next one.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 1:19:50 PM   
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I would think because this is a thread on Nazis and how Hitler admired the efficiency of ruthlessness of Americans in creating their Liebensraum, that the Canucks and Mexicans can more or less sit this out as part of our North America he did not emulate having not read about them much that we know of and can credibly cite.

Everything you deal with inspires hate. You don't have a corner on that market, and you are not the pinnacle and the icon of that view, you are simply the clown in an opera bouffe.




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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 1:25:34 PM   
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Sanity, No, its not about bashing america.. you can whinge and whinge all you want, it isnt going to make it the fact let alone the truth.





Well then your books are about inspiring hate, right?
Hate the white Americans who inspired the Nazis, and did these things to your people?

Or is it not geared specifically toward Hispanics.



No, no and no, oh and no
my people???
im neither native, or hispanic or islamic,
im white english and a history buff.

Im also not a communist, trotskyist, marxist, feminazi or supremacist.
however i am done playing your game ....




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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 1:32:24 PM   
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Sanity, No, its not about bashing america.. you can whinge and whinge all you want, it isnt going to make it the fact let alone the truth.





Well then your books are about inspiring hate, right?
Hate the white Americans who inspired the Nazis, and did these things to your people?

Or is it not geared specifically toward Hispanics.



No, no and no, oh and no
my people???
im neither native, or hispanic or islamic,
im white english and a history buff.

Im also not a communist, trotskyist, marxist, feminazi or supremacist.
however i am done playing your game ....


The use of the term "your people" was rhetorical




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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/16/2015 1:46:26 PM   
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The term 'your people' cannot by definition be rhetorical. You see, we have this absolutely droll habit of (and some of the more orthodox speakers) demanding a question mark at the end of a sentence that a query (rhetorical or not) what other standard and universal way to indicate a question?

Your declarative sentence fragment is only that.

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