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ORIGINAL: vulvakicker

The main problem in regards of the topic of this thread is that women generally think men are beneath them. To be politically correct and not offend women, you aren't allowed to call this out.

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: MathewIndio
Don't you think that women have more OPPORTUNITY then men on dating sites?

No.

I'll qualify that. They have more opportunity than your average clueless dude, does.

However they don't have more opportunity than I do.

The dating site game works like this. Men are horny. They want to fuck. At least 80% of them are losers who have no fucking chance whatsoever. They're unsophisticated or they're ugly or they can't express themselves well or they have no idea how to talk to women.

Women are going to be besieged by these losers. Because - and here's the truly funny bit - the losers send out emails by the truckload. In contrast, guys like myself email very rarely.

What happens in the real world happens in the online world. The top 20% of men are monopolising 80% of the available attractive women.

A small percentage of women (maybe 2-5%) are going to absolutely insist on a guy with a decent set of abs and a good looking face. Those women are going to hunt by picture.

The bottom 40% will probably hook up with losers.

The rest of the female population are open to being intrigued, stimulated and seduced. And guys with game are going to aim at women they're comfortable engaging with. And they'll aim fairly and squarely at women's minds.

What that leaves is 50% of the available women being turned off by the hordes of losers. As a consequence, any dude who knows himself and has his shit together is going to come across like a breath of fresh air.

Fun fact: Kaliko used to turn dudes away because they lived more than an hour's drive away from her house.

It takes 24 hours for her to get to my house. By jet.

I'll add, that Kaliko is psychologically stable, attractive and has both a great job and a 140 IQ. So she's so far away from desperate, it's not funny.

So you have to ask yourself, why would a woman possibly let herself become involved with a man who lives - quite literally - on the other side of the world?

My answer would probably be something along the lines of 'because he actually stood out amongst the sea of average'.

So. The answer to your question is: No. If you have your shit together, you have an advantage. If you don't have your shit together, then you're average and will probably whine a lot.

The solution is to stop whining and start growing as an individual. Choose a path of growth and ever-increasing strength, knowledge and virtue. Work on your weaknesses and turn them into strengths. Become an amazing man - or at least AIM to become an amazing man.

Because even if you fall short, you'll still stand out amongst the sea of average.

It's not about them. It's about you.

This would be an excellent post for a sticky thread re how to succeed with women online and in real life. I suspect the men who need this advice the most are men who would regard themselves as not needing it.

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ORIGINAL: vulvakicker

The main problem in regards of the topic of this thread is that women generally think men are beneath them. To be politically correct and not offend women, you aren't allowed to call this out.

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

LOL I slept last night while doing this. I'm used to intern hours.

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

Gah! That's twice in one week, the way I phrased something has come back at me. Okay, I slept between problem post. Its amazing what ten minutes can do and proves how bad it is when its nap time.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
No.

I'll qualify that. They have more opportunity than your average clueless dude, does.

However they don't have more opportunity than I do.

The dating site game works like this. Men are horny. They want to fuck. At least 80% of them are losers who have no fucking chance whatsoever. They're unsophisticated or they're ugly or they can't express themselves well or they have no idea how to talk to women.

Women are going to be besieged by these losers. Because - and here's the truly funny bit - the losers send out emails by the truckload. In contrast, guys like myself email very rarely.

What happens in the real world happens in the online world. The top 20% of men are monopolising 80% of the available attractive women.
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Fun fact: Kaliko used to turn dudes away because they lived more than an hour's drive away from her house.
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It's not about them. It's about you.

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

I suspect the men who need this advice the most are men who would regard themselves as not needing it.

I suspect that your assumption is correct.

Mediocre is as mediocre does, resulting in lackluster success.

DreamLady

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Well, it depends what you're talking about. If you're talking about how women can maximise their chances on dating sites, then it goes something like this:

Men want to fuck. If you just want to fuck, then put up your sexiest shot and wait for the corresponding dudes to roll in.

If you're looking for something a little more meaningful then....

... this is where the unadulterated truth comes in.

Men. We are hellishly into looks. In a big way. You've got to have something about you physically which yanks our crank.

The simplest answer to reeling men in is to have a cute face and a hot body. That will get you a large sample to sift through.

Thing is, a woman with a sparkling personality can often win men over in spite of her less than perfect body if she's interacting in person. Trouble is, dating sites don't really let women display that personality in ways meaningful to men. Frankly most men are less sharp at perceiving personality online.

You also have to understand that most men see women in one of three fundamental ways.

The lowest level is the women you'll let blow you, but whom you don't want to fuck because she's probably diseased. Now there's a fair amount of men who don't have this level because they either don't have the option or because they're just not into interacting sexually with women they don't care for.

The next level is the woman you'll fuck. This woman has to be sexy in some way, although it doesn't have to be conventionally sexy. Just something which turns our crank. This can include women we don't want to be seen with in public. If a guy won't be seen with you, then you're on this level.

The top tier is the women we're happy to be seen with publicly. And if we're really into them, we'll introduce them to our mother at some point. This is the creme de la creme of the available woman. Not only is she attractive and charming, she's sane, balanced and has a good attitude. And something about her makes us utterly adore her in some way. These women - and ONLY these women - are relationship material.

To be in the top tier, you have to be attractive enough for us to see ourselves with you. If we think we're more attractive than you, you're NOT going to make it into this tier. You'll be the chick we fuck in secret when we're horny.

So if you're looking for relationship potential on dating sites, you have to be in the top tier for the kind of men you like.

To maximise your potential on dating sites - especially if you're a female sub looking for a Dom - you must be as attractive - and above all - as FEMININE as you possibly can be. Dominant men are looking for feminine women because sexual polarity drives attraction. The more different a woman is to ourselves, the more attractive we find her.

If you're an androgynous woman, you'll attract androgynous dudes and together you'll have a relationship which is more like a friendship. The greater the gender difference between two people, the greater the passion. If you want a masculine man, you MUST be a feminine woman. Period. This is not negotiable. If you meet a masculine guy who's into women with boyish haircuts, then congratulations - you've found yourself a bisexual dude.

What does that mean? It means hair, it means makeup, it means taking excellent care of your body. It means being awesome by being feminine and enjoying it.

Being an attractive feminine woman is exactly the same thing as being a socially dominant, successful man. Men look for femininity and physical attractiveness. Women look for masculinity and career success (or to put it another way - power).

So. Be awesome. Be feminine. Enjoy the softness that is being a woman. The more feminine you are, the more masculine the men you'll attract.

Now if we presume you manage to attract the right kind of guy, we can safely presume you're attracting a whole boatload of the wrong guys. So how do you tell the difference? This is where the primary challenge arises for women. It's not quantity that's the issue, it's quality.

The difference is, the guy who's genuinely interested in more than the contents of your underwear will be intrigued by WHO you are, not just what you look like. The men who just want to fuck you will focus on physical attributes and the possibility of sex. The guy who's genuinely interested in you, will dance with you. Tease you in conversation. Intrigue you. He'll want to see what kind of woman you are.

And IF he approaches you, he'll be low key. He'll comment on something in your profile because he's actually read it and he's curious about the woman behind it. He may make a joke, he may be bemused by something you've said - he'll engage in a way which isn't immediately sexual. Because HE has standards and if you turn out to be ditzy headcase, HE's not going to be interested. He really won't be all that invested in one woman, because he knows he can attract many women. He may even tell you to get your shit together and Skype with him or fuck off.

The guys with options are prepared to walk away. The guys without options are clingy as fuck. Keep that in mind.

Also, as a general rule, keep a watch out for the traits described in this document. It's required reading for anyone who dates online: http://tinyurl.com/ys9s7p

So basically, reel us in with your attractive femininity and keep us there with your stunning personality. The same rule applies to women. Be awesome. Aim to be the most attractive, feminine, witty, sparkling woman you can. Because even if you don't succeed, by aiming high you'll stand out amongst the sea of average.

Oh, and never have pics of your cunt on your profile. There's really no coming back from that.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Well, it depends what you're talking about. If you're talking about how women can maximise their chances on dating sites, then it goes something like this:

Men want to fuck. If you just want to fuck, then put up your sexiest shot and wait for the corresponding dudes to roll in.

If you're looking for something a little more meaningful then....

... this is where the unadulterated truth comes in.

Men. We are hellishly into looks. In a big way. You've got to have something about you physically which yanks our crank.
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You also have to understand that most men see women in one of three fundamental ways.

The lowest level is the women you'll let blow you, but whom you don't want to fuck because she's probably diseased. Now there's a fair amount of men who don't have this level because they either don't have the option or because they're just not into interacting sexually with women they don't care for.

The next level is the woman you'll fuck. This woman has to be sexy in some way, although it doesn't have to be conventionally sexy. Just something which turns our crank. This can include women we don't want to be seen with in public. If a guy won't be seen with you, then you're on this level.

The top tier is the women we're happy to be seen with publicly. And if we're really into them, we'll introduce them to our mother at some point. This is the creme de la creme of the available woman. Not only is she attractive and charming, she's sane, balanced and has a good attitude. And something about her makes us utterly adore her in some way. These women - and ONLY these women - are relationship material.

To be in the top tier, you have to be attractive enough for us to see ourselves with you. If we think we're more attractive than you, you're NOT going to make it into this tier. You'll be the chick we fuck in secret when we're horny.

So if you're looking for relationship potential on dating sites, you have to be in the top tier for the kind of men you like.

Although you might get some flack (which I have a feeling you probably don't give a rat's ass about ), I'm relieved to see a man write about this. It's fairly certain that if a woman had stated the same things, she would immediately get accused of being a sexist misandrist. I have been trying to impart a similar message to other women, particularly younger women, for a good quarter of a century. Some are receptive, but still end up learning the hard way, the ones who insist they're not into gameplaying and petty b.s., the ones who believe themselves to be sexually "liberated." They may start out with the best of intentions, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation, and then they're the ones who end up getting their hearts broken and/or feeling non-consensually used.

The day will come when a woman finally realizes that her mother, aunts and grandmother were right (the ones who were able to make successfully enduring marriages). No, not that all men are pigs, but that a disproportionate number of (unenlightened) men will either see females as paid hookers, unpaid/free hookers, fuckbuddy piece on the side or their dirty little secret (which is how many male subs actually objectify their Mistresses), steady girlfriend material fit to be seen with in public - preferably arm candy to show off - and then the crème de la crème -- future wife and mother of their children. . . in that order of sequence.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

To maximise your potential on dating sites - especially if you're a female sub looking for a Dom - you must be as attractive - and above all - as FEMININE as you possibly can be. Dominant men are looking for feminine women because sexual polarity drives attraction. The more different a woman is to ourselves, the more attractive we find her.

If you're an androgynous woman, you'll attract androgynous dudes and together you'll have a relationship which is more like a friendship. The greater the gender difference between two people, the greater the passion. If you want a masculine man, you MUST be a feminine woman. Period. This is not negotiable. If you meet a masculine guy who's into women with boyish haircuts, then congratulations - you've found yourself a bisexual dude.

What does that mean? It means hair, it means makeup, it means taking excellent care of your body. It means being awesome by being feminine and enjoying it.

Being an attractive feminine woman is exactly the same thing as being a socially dominant, successful man. Men look for femininity and physical attractiveness. Women look for masculinity and career success (or to put it another way - power).

So. Be awesome. Be feminine. Enjoy the softness that is being a woman. The more feminine you are, the more masculine the men you'll attract.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

The difference is, the guy who's genuinely interested in more than the contents of your underwear will be intrigued by WHO you are, not just what you look like. The men who just want to fuck you will focus on physical attributes and the possibility of sex. The guy who's genuinely interested in you, will dance with you. Tease you in conversation. Intrigue you. He'll want to see what kind of woman you are.

And IF he approaches you, he'll be low key. He'll comment on something in your profile because he's actually read it and he's curious about the woman behind it. He may make a joke, he may be bemused by something you've said - he'll engage in a way which isn't immediately sexual. Because HE has standards and if you turn out to be ditzy headcase, HE's not going to be interested....

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

The guys with options are prepared to walk away. The guys without options are clingy as fuck. Keep that in mind.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Also, as a general rule, keep a watch out for the traits described in this document. It's required reading for anyone who dates online: http://tinyurl.com/ys9s7p

So basically, reel us in with your attractive femininity and keep us there with your stunning personality. The same rule applies to women. Be awesome. Aim to be the most attractive, feminine, witty, sparkling woman you can. Because even if you don't succeed, by aiming high you'll stand out amongst the sea of average.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Oh, and never have pics of your cunt on your profile. There's really no coming back from that.

I tend to think showing full boobage isn't such a good idea either. Always leave something to the imagination and leave them wanting more, is my mantra.
There's also no coming back from gaping asses and dickpics.

DreamLady

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If you're an androgynous woman, you'll attract androgynous dudes and together you'll have a relationship which is more like a friendship. The greater the gender difference between two people, the greater the passion. If you want a masculine man, you MUST be a feminine woman. Period. This is not negotiable. If you meet a masculine guy who's into women with boyish haircuts, then congratulations - you've found yourself a bisexual dude.