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BamaD -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 1:00:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
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ORIGINAL: kdsub
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.localities are indeed spending money to make sure those without valid DL's and such have the required picture ID"s


How?

Butch

Quite often you will see in America people handing out IDs for free. The plastic is no cost to anyone, the photographic equipment, the manufacture, the mag reading strip and so on......


That's not entirely true. Most localities, understanding of the tyrannical law they have allowed on to their books, place a dollar amount of money aside to help those that don't have a proper and valid ID. Money that could be spent on more useful programs and projects, or even cut from the budget all together.

BUT...

Its the duty of this government, to help the citizens into voting. A voting law whose purpose is doing the opposite. And placed into law by fear and ignorance, rather than fact and study. Its understood by the many studies so far that voter fraud is so low as to be considered 'irrelevant' in state and federal elections. Each time conservatives and libertarians have pushed 'massive voter fraud' it shares two things: all the votes went to Democrats, and all of it was a massive conspiracy. When people have researched the evidence, the fought much of it was full of bullshit. In other words, debunked.

I enjoy the 'limited government' types the most here. The ones that push this absurd legal idea onto their fellow Americans. That it costs the government more in resources, yet the benefit is non-existent. More so, it is government's intrusion into the personal lives of Americans. Two concepts that the 'Limited Government' types state they are against, EXCEPT, when it favors their political viewpoint.

It is the duty of government to make sure that legal voters can vote, voter ID is an attempt to weed out illegal voters, so simple and yet for some so hard to understand.




kdsub -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 1:05:09 PM)

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[I think it is equivalent to having armories in cities into which you put your guns and ammo, and check them in and out


Cool idea...all for it

We require ID's for many things in this world... There is no valid reason one should not be required... for perhaps the most important individual action a person can take...to vote.


Do you believe all licencing and requirements should be removed because they may cost a few pennies of your tax money?... Should we make it easier for say a 10 year old to drive an 18 wheeler... or anyone jump into a plane and fly...or is it good enough if i just say i am 65 and get my SS... or show ID to get money from your bank account?

Without ID's of various kinds this world could not function safely.

Butch




mnottertail -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 1:06:17 PM)

I only found rightwing propaganda on that, with no causal linkage. It had nothing to do with voter ID, rather it would appear that it had to do with Barack Obama running for president. Yanno, the shit the rightwing whined about, that blacks were voting for a black president.

Compare and contrast that with this last mid-term. This cretinous claim gets an asswipe plus on the horseshit-o-meter.




mnottertail -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 1:10:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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[I think it is equivalent to having armories in cities into which you put your guns and ammo, and check them in and out


Cool idea...all for it

We require ID's for many things in this world... There is no valid reason one should not be required... for perhaps the most important individual action a person can take...to vote.


Do you believe all licencing and requirements should be removed because they may cost a few pennies of your tax money?... Should we make it easier for say a 10 year old to drive an 18 wheeler... or anyone jump into a plane and fly...or is it good enough if i just say i am 65 and get my SS... or show ID to get money from your bank account?

Without ID's of various kinds this world could not function safely.

Butch


No, and why do you make stupid red herrings like that?

You may not conflate horseshit with reality. I am for ID, if it is free, it is not. If those who want it pay for those who have not got it, and that means as individuals, then go to it and loot the country four ways from Sunday, but it may not be extorted from anyone (no matter the amount) in this country.




joether -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 1:31:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Mike I am saying if these laws make conservatives think they will make a difference in the vote or give votes integrity then I say good for them. What I do not believe is that it will make minorities or the poor less likely to vote.

If a voter can not make the effort to get an ID then they do not deserve to have a say in their government... they would be incompetent or down right lazy. I do not think, as some must believe, that just because you are a minority or poor you don't have the sense or desire to get a voter ID. To me this idea is insulting.

Butch

In Georgia the percent of black registered voter who voted increased substantially AFTER voter ID took effect so the vote suppression argument holds no water.


Cite legitimate source. Like this one.

Like your viewpoint that concealable carry has been either the sole or primary reduction in crime in the state/nation; your assuming voter turn out is higher, SOLELY, because of the voter ID laws. IN both cases, you have neither evidence to support the argument, nor evidence eliminating all other possible forces that were going on in that or any other state. There was quite a bit going on in Georgia, like other states that either had or didn't have voter ID laws.

The voter ID Law in Georgia was put in place in 2007. Who was the Republican and Democratic nominees running for the White House for 2008, BamaD?

In a state with a high number of black people; what would motivate them to come to the polls? Vote for some old white guy that hates black people (not to mention his party)? Or some....*BLACK*.....guy running for the White House (whose party supports all Americans)?




BamaD -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 1:40:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Mike I am saying if these laws make conservatives think they will make a difference in the vote or give votes integrity then I say good for them. What I do not believe is that it will make minorities or the poor less likely to vote.

If a voter can not make the effort to get an ID then they do not deserve to have a say in their government... they would be incompetent or down right lazy. I do not think, as some must believe, that just because you are a minority or poor you don't have the sense or desire to get a voter ID. To me this idea is insulting.

Butch

In Georgia the percent of black registered voter who voted increased substantially AFTER voter ID took effect so the vote suppression argument holds no water.


Cite legitimate source. Like this one.

Like your viewpoint that concealable carry has been either the sole or primary reduction in crime in the state/nation; your assuming voter turn out is higher, SOLELY, because of the voter ID laws. IN both cases, you have neither evidence to support the argument, nor evidence eliminating all other possible forces that were going on in that or any other state. There was quite a bit going on in Georgia, like other states that either had or didn't have voter ID laws.

The voter ID Law in Georgia was put in place in 2007. Who was the Republican and Democratic nominees running for the White House for 2008, BamaD?

In a state with a high number of black people; what would motivate them to come to the polls? Vote for some old white guy that hates black people (not to mention his party)? Or some....*BLACK*.....guy running for the White House (whose party supports all Americans)?

How about that you misrepresented my position on two subjects in one post
I have repeatedly stated that concealed carry is not the only reason for the drop in crime, that it is demographics.
Why do you try to make everything about guns.
I not only did not state that voter ID was the sole reason for the increase I didn't even say it was a reason for the increase.
All I stated was that it clearly didn't keep people from voting, if it was the major inhibition to voting that you want to pretend it would be.




joether -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 1:51:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
It is the duty of government to make sure that legal voters can vote, voter ID is an attempt to weed out illegal voters, so simple and yet for some so hard to understand.


Voter ID is an attempt at solving a wide problem that Republicans do not want solved: Greater Voter Turnout! They know with greater voter turn out, more Democrats tend to get elected. Now what would Republicans have to gain by doing that?

Those that have pushed Voter ID on threads and at the nation at large, have used a number of different tactics. By posting massive voter fraud that supported Democrats. Or someone voting in different polling stations. Or of people that voted but are illegal immigrants. All of these cases were researched and studied. And all but a tiny minority were....DEBUNKED. That tiny minority? Would be like one vote for every 10,000 cast. Mathematically highly unlikely even in the best circumstances, to have an effect on state and/or federal elections.

Not one person has challenged the actual facts. If voter fraud was actually taking place in the nation, dont you think it would be a good idea to check the facts against the fantasy? Or just construct laws without reading them?

The government has a duty to respect my 4th amendment rights. I consider being searched at a polling station to be unreasonable. Further, the government can only check your papers (in this case a valid photo ID), if they have probable cause that you are in violation of the law. Because in the United States of America, Bama, a person is considered....*INNOCENT*....until proven guilty. So what the polling station is stating is that I have to prove my innocence before I can vote. Isn't that the opposite of US Law?

The answer is: yes, it is!

So I have the facts that state voter fraud is so tiny as to be irrelevant even under the best circumstances to effecting the vote. And I have a constitutional amendment that protects me from unreasonable search and seizure UNLESS, the law enforcement can provide a decent reason for the search (i.e. probable cause). Further, I have....ANOTHER....amendment that states two things: That I'm innocent until proven guilty, and if I am guilty, not having to speak up about it.

That when proved guilty, it is in a COURT OF LAW BY A JURY OF MY PEERS....not, a polling station.





slvemike4u -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:04:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Mike I am saying if these laws make conservatives think they will make a difference in the vote or give votes integrity then I say good for them. What I do not believe is that it will make minorities or the poor less likely to vote.

If a voter can not make the effort to get an ID then they do not deserve to have a say in their government... they would be incompetent or down right lazy. I do not think, as some must believe, that just because you are a minority or poor you don't have the sense or desire to get a voter ID. To me this idea is insulting.

Butch

In Georgia the percent of black registered voter who voted increased substantially AFTER voter ID took effect so the vote suppression argument holds no water.

In truth it's not a voter suppression argument....you got that part right [:)]

It's voter fraud argument...and since the problem only exists in the minds of the willfully ignorant,the application of a SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM is correct.




slvemike4u -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:06:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Ron every state has licencing offices already equipped to take and print photo id's... so do most all city,county, and state offices... the structure is there and would not require large expenditures of money. Cost is not a good excuse in my opinion anyway.

Hell it takes a picture ID just to get into my local city's swimming pool and the ID's are made when the pass is purchased on the site... no problem and little cost.... And remember it would only be required of those not already in possession of an approved ID... that is very few.


An yet it violates the 4th amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure. That the government can force you to show ID directly to them without question or hesitation. Unlike say a location that sells alcohol, were you show ID to a third party as required by government. That you have to prove your 'Who you are' and 'Where you live'. That you are considered breaking a law and thus guilty and must prove your innocence. Last I checked, that's the opposite viewpoint of the US Legal System.

That the US Supreme Court, whom is suppose to be the highest power of legal decision making based on laws; ignores this. Not for Constitutional reasons, but political ones. No good can come of it.

But these are the same people who say government can not be trusted to allow the registration of.....what's that implement they don't want registered ?
anyone can help.....i'm having a senior moment here ,anyone ,please ?




KenDckey -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:08:36 PM)

The only conclusively way to prove fraud is to end secret ballots. However, Wasn't there 5 or so states that had counties that had more registered voters than voting eligible population according to the 2010 census? That is a fairly good indicator to me.




mnottertail -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:09:18 PM)

I would point out that constitutionally, there is no such duty. The peoples vote is not mentioned in the original constitution. The word vote appears in the original constitution only in relation to how representatives, senators, and presidential electors perform their duties.

However, the amendments regarding voting are 5 in number:

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/citc/files/usconst-amendments.pdf




joether -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:09:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
How about that you misrepresented my position on two subjects in one post


I did not. I stated my perception of your viewpoint. That I was linking one concept to another, to show both views you expressed were not quite correct. That correlation does not mean causation.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I have repeatedly stated that concealed carry is not the only reason for the drop in crime, that it is demographics.
Why do you try to make everything about guns.


If I held a poll on this forum, and asked everyone "What subject is BamaD best known for?" Firearms would be my educated guess for the most often answer given. I'm not stating that's a bad thing either. Some people have specific causes they view in the world. As long as those views are kept reasonable and in-check. I don't have a problem with someone practicing their religion; I do when it comes to them sacrificing people for their religion!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I not only did not state that voter ID was the sole reason for the increase I didn't even say it was a reason for the increase.


These are your words:

"In Georgia the percent of black registered voter who voted increased substantially AFTER voter ID took effect so the vote suppression argument holds no water."

Actually you did. And I called you on it, with the facts. NOW, your back pedaling. And I'm not going to let you get away with it. You stated that voter turn out in Georgia was higher with the implication that it was due to the voter ID Laws. The facts are right there in blue on this post!

I caught you in a straight up lie, BamaD!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
All I stated was that it clearly didn't keep people from voting, if it was the major inhibition to voting that you want to pretend it would be.


No, you did not state that, either! Two lies in one post BamaD......jeez.....

Voting turn out in America for the mid-term was a dismal 36.5%. Voter ID laws have not improved things on their own. This has been observed in each state of the nation that have them. That, is a significant observation. Since we were told by the GOP/TP that voting turn out would increase. Noticeably I might add!




joether -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:23:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Ron every state has licencing offices already equipped to take and print photo id's... so do most all city,county, and state offices... the structure is there and would not require large expenditures of money. Cost is not a good excuse in my opinion anyway.

Hell it takes a picture ID just to get into my local city's swimming pool and the ID's are made when the pass is purchased on the site... no problem and little cost.... And remember it would only be required of those not already in possession of an approved ID... that is very few.


An yet it violates the 4th amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure. That the government can force you to show ID directly to them without question or hesitation. Unlike say a location that sells alcohol, were you show ID to a third party as required by government. That you have to prove your 'Who you are' and 'Where you live'. That you are considered breaking a law and thus guilty and must prove your innocence. Last I checked, that's the opposite viewpoint of the US Legal System.

That the US Supreme Court, whom is suppose to be the highest power of legal decision making based on laws; ignores this. Not for Constitutional reasons, but political ones. No good can come of it.

But these are the same people who say government can not be trusted to allow the registration of.....what's that implement they don't want registered ?
anyone can help.....i'm having a senior moment here ,anyone ,please ?


I have stated on other voter ID law threads (and this one now as well), of how 'valid photo IDs' work in Boston's city bars. That bars are often tested by undercover police officers seeing if they can get drinks by unscruplous bar keepers. Those that are found in violation of the law can have their licenses suspended. Which is basically the kiss of death for such establishment. As such, they pay money to train their employees to stop the fakes from the legitimate documents. As such, it still happens. Why? Because the fake documents are REALLY close to the legitimate copies. I still have each of my Mass Driver's licenses. Each one more sophisticated in its design and detail to the one previously. Now why is that?

Now imagine those individuals being hired by someone to vote for a political party (republican or democrat) in the mid-west states were there is not alot of colleges and universities (like Boston's 134 some odd schools of higher learning). That the people in those stations do not have anywhere on the same level of training and testing as bars in Boston, MA. Those people would walk past the voting people, show the fake ID and vote.

In other words, its another layer of government that is 'feel good politics', but does absolutely nothing when put into practice. The facts as studied and research show these laws do nothing to help the problem. That its supported by people whom distrust the US Government on almost every conceivable concept. And demand funding by those 'limited government' types. Complete hypocrites! An they do this in full violation of the 4th and 5th amendments without realizing it.





BamaD -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:32:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
How about that you misrepresented my position on two subjects in one post


I did not. I stated my perception of your viewpoint. That I was linking one concept to another, to show both views you expressed were not quite correct. That correlation does not mean causation.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I have repeatedly stated that concealed carry is not the only reason for the drop in crime, that it is demographics.
Why do you try to make everything about guns.


If I held a poll on this forum, and asked everyone "What subject is BamaD best known for?" Firearms would be my educated guess for the most often answer given. I'm not stating that's a bad thing either. Some people have specific causes they view in the world. As long as those views are kept reasonable and in-check. I don't have a problem with someone practicing their religion; I do when it comes to them sacrificing people for their religion!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I not only did not state that voter ID was the sole reason for the increase I didn't even say it was a reason for the increase.


These are your words:

"In Georgia the percent of black registered voter who voted increased substantially AFTER voter ID took effect so the vote suppression argument holds no water."

Actually you did. And I called you on it, with the facts. NOW, your back pedaling. And I'm not going to let you get away with it. You stated that voter turn out in Georgia was higher with the implication that it was due to the voter ID Laws. The facts are right there in blue on this post!

I caught you in a straight up lie, BamaD!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
All I stated was that it clearly didn't keep people from voting, if it was the major inhibition to voting that you want to pretend it would be.


No, you did not state that, either! Two lies in one post BamaD......jeez.....

Voting turn out in America for the mid-term was a dismal 36.5%. Voter ID laws have not improved things on their own. This has been observed in each state of the nation that have them. That, is a significant observation. Since we were told by the GOP/TP that voting turn out would increase. Noticeably I might add!




It is a damn shame you can't read English. Stating that voting came up after voter ID made no comment on why it did, just that it did. Stating that this blows the argument that it would prevent voting is stating that it did not have the result that you predicted. You have not shown me to have lied but that you are an idiot or deliberately getting it wrong, since you aren't an idiot it must be deliberate.
As for stating your view of my position, since on the one issue I have stated over a dozen times that cc is not the primary reason for the drop in crime proves either that you are too stupid to comprehend or are deliberately misrepresenting me. Since you are not an idiot it must be deliberate.

Clearly you are such an narrow minded person that you assume anything you don't like is a lie.




joether -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:35:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
The only conclusively way to prove fraud is to end secret ballots. However, Wasn't there 5 or so states that had counties that had more registered voters than voting eligible population according to the 2010 census? That is a fairly good indicator to me.


I've heard a few cases like this in different states over the past decade. All of them were debunked. The problem was the clerical staff in counties were not doing their jobs well enough to keep the voting information accurate and up-to-date. Some of those had to pass laws requiring better information upkeep from locations that reported deaths of people (like hospitals, morgues, churches, etc.).









joether -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 2:58:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
It is a damn shame you can't read English.


If I didn't read the wording, how could I reply?

If I was replying, it was in a language you could read, to understand. If you understood, what I wrote, in a language I understand; and the language you first gave to me was English. Then logically speaking, it tends to imply that I understand English.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Stating that voting came up after voter ID made no comment on why it did, just that it did.


Bull and Shit! You implied without noting any exceptions that Georgia's turn out was higher than previous...SOLELY....due to the voter ID laws. I pointed it out. And your...STILL...backpeddling! I explained that turn out was not likely due to voter turn out, but WHOM was running for the White House.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Stating that this blows the argument that it would prevent voting is stating that it did not have the result that you predicted. You have not shown me to have lied but that you are an idiot or deliberately getting it wrong, since you aren't an idiot it must be deliberate.


The voting ID laws prevent voters from voting. That the typical groups of people that may not have a valid photo ID, tend to be those that vote...DEMOCRAT. Now what would the Republican/Tea Party have to gain by lower Democratic voter turn out? Tell me this isn't are hard one to figure out, BamaD?

I showed that you lied, twice, in the previous post to which your quoting, and to which I'm replying (that your reading now). An you can understand the English here.....

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
As for stating your view of my position, since on the one issue I have stated over a dozen times that cc is not the primary reason for the drop in crime proves either that you are too stupid to comprehend or are deliberately misrepresenting me. Since you are not an idiot it must be deliberate.


Bullshit, whenever there is a moment to push firearms, your in the thick of the thread! Or should I RESEARCH the number of threads in the past amount of time you have been part of Collar(place).com in which you NEVER posted on a firearm thread?

This is as far as this piece goes with me. This topic is on Voter ID Laws and the US Supreme Court. You want to debate this issue, find a new thread.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Clearly you are such an narrow minded person that you assume anything you don't like is a lie.


Was wondering how long it would take for an ad hominem attack....

I showed the evidence to the argument that you were lying. I used your words, in two examples, of you trying to state that you did not state something, that is in plain English! An you cant even take ownership of it!

So what 'argument' do you have left? Try to insult me directly. unfortunately, there is one person on this forum whom cant handle facts and called everyone a liar: start's with a 'K', ends in a 'a', and something to do with I-Rat.




bounty44 -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 3:03:37 PM)

In terms of “widespread” it doesn’t have to be widespread. That it occurs at all is bad. Tell the losers of some close elections where voter fraud occurred “oh its okay, at least it’s not happening all the time all over the country.”

The “I forgot I voted the first time…so I went and voted again”, if you read the posts before it, was clearly tongue in cheek; a comical lead in to the fact that some people do vote more than once.

Further thought---voter fraud can, and presumably does occur without the perpetrators being caught. Voter ID’s would help prevent that.

I hesitate to post of all this because of its length, but it all seems pertinent:

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“New York City’s watchdog Department of Investigations has just provided the latest evidence of how easy it is to commit voter fraud that is almost undetectable. DOI undercover agents showed up at 63 polling places last fall and pretended to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials; the agents assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. In 61 instances, or 97 percent of the time, the testers were allowed to vote. DOI published its findings two weeks ago in a searing 70-page report accusing the city’s Board of Elections of incompetence, waste, nepotism, and lax procedures…

“Guerrilla videographer James O’Keefe had three of his assistants visit precincts during New Hampshire’s January 2012 presidential primary. They asked poll workers whether their books listed the names of several voters, all deceased individuals still listed on voter-registration rolls. Poll workers handed out ten ballots, never once asking for a photo ID. O’Keefe’s team immediately gave back the ballots, unmarked, to precinct workers. …The only precinct in which O’Keefe or his crew did not obtain a ballot was one in which the local precinct officer had personally known the dead “voter.”..

“In 2012 one of O’Keefe’s assistants was able to obtain Attorney General Eric Holder’s ballot even though Holder is 62 years old and bears no resemblance to the 22-year-old white man who obtained it merely by asking if Eric Holder was on the rolls. But the Department of Justice, which is currently suing Texas to block that state’s photo-ID law, dismissed the Holder ballot incident as “manufactured.” The irony was lost on the DOJ that Holder, a staunch opponent of voter-ID laws, could have himself been disenfranchised by a white man because Washington, D.C., has no voter-ID law…

“What the DOI investigators were able to do was eerily similar to actual fraud that has occurred in New York before. [note the D next to the woman's name] In 1984, Brooklyn’s Democratic district attorney, Elizabeth Holtzman, released a state grand-jury report on a successful 14-year conspiracy that cast thousands of fraudulent votes in local, state, and congressional elections. Just like the DOI undercover operatives, the conspirators cast votes at precincts in the names of dead, moved, and bogus voters. The grand jury recommended voter ID, a basic election-integrity measure that New York has steadfastly refused to implement…

“Love this part: Polls consistently show that more than 70 percent of Americans — including clear majorities of African Americans and Hispanics — support such laws

“After all, even a small number of votes can have sweeping consequences. Al Franken’s 312-vote victory in 2008 over Minnesota senator Norm Coleman gave Democrats a filibuster-proof Senate majority of 60 votes, which allowed them to pass Obamacare. Months after the Obamacare vote, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority finished comparing criminal records with voting rolls and identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken–Coleman race. Fox News random interviews with ten of those felons found that nine had voted for Franken, backing up national academic studies that show felons tend to vote strongly for Democrats.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368234/voter-fraud-weve-got-proof-its-easy-john-fund



I wish that would be enough for those of you on the left to quite literally “shut the hell up about it” but since it wont, here are some more:

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/391134/jaw-dropping-study-claims-large-numbers-non-citizens-vote-us-jim-geraghty

heck its so good, maybe I should have lead with that one. note that it refers to data from a study at harvard. so, please don’t whine about conservative websites, right winger bloggers or propaganda.

that one, especially, should be enough too, but since it wont:

http://www.ncgop.org/ncgop-statement-evidence-massive-voter-fraud-north-carolina/

now I know all republicans are racist, so maybe that explains this one:

http://conservative-headlines.com/2014/04/evidence-of-massive-black-voter-fraud-uncovered-in-alabama/

and on and on and on...




BamaD -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 3:04:56 PM)

Like your viewpoint that concealable carry has been either the sole or primary reduction in crime in the state/nation; your assuming voter turn out is higher, SOLELY, because of the voter ID laws. IN both cases, you have neither evidence to support the argument, nor evidence eliminating all other possible forces that were going on in that or any other state. There was quite a bit going on in Georgia, like other states that either had or didn't have voter ID laws.


I am not backpedaling I never even said it was the reason just that it happened, read it again you will see.




BamaD -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 3:06:23 PM)

If I didn't read the wording, how could I reply?

Because you answered what you wanted me to say, not what I said.




BamaD -> RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law (3/24/2015 3:08:26 PM)

I showed that you lied, twice, in the previous post to which your quoting, and to which I'm replying (that your reading now). An you can understand the English here.....


No you lied about what I said, and you did it twice, once after copying my post that proved I didn't say what you accused me of.




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