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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 8:27:05 PM

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Probably....I'm still of the opinion you bring him home and stand him before a court.
Not leave him to the tender mercies of the enemy .
He was there ,he was serving,if something went wrong and he walked away from his post than there are charges for that....but we don't leave him there.That's not us....

Don't leave him in the hands of the people HE DESERTED TOO?
Even if you have to ignore the law (it required him to consult with congress first) and give up five leaders for one deserter?
Yes I know they have been out of it for ten years. They know what we were asking about so they know something about what we know and what we are worried about. Not only that but even if they can't plan more attacks, they make great recruiters.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 8:38:03 PM

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So you would have left him there ,eh ?
Good to know

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 8:40:17 PM

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and this has what to do with Obama's fuck up?

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 9:02:19 PM

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So you would have left him there ,eh ?
Good to know

His choice to be there, you ever hear of you made your bed now lay in it?

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 9:07:50 PM

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So you would have left him there ,eh ?
Good to know

If we could get him without unleashing 5 terrorists that would be different, but do you really think we should have strengthened them to get a criminal back? That is exactly what you are supporting when you say this was a good idea.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 9:09:03 PM

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and this has what to do with Obama's fuck up?

Nothing, but we must ignore it if Obama fucked up and talk about anything else, no matter how lame.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 9:11:20 PM

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I don't believe the real issue is whether or not you bring him back. There are multiple issues:

1. He was a soldier and we don't leave soldiers behind.
2. The trading of 5 known Terrorist Leaders for one is a high price to pay for him. Usually troop swaps are one for one, sometimes 1.something or 2 for one.
3. The lack of notification to Congress.

My reflections

1. Glad he is home. Glad he is standing for his disertion. If found guilty, hope they throw the book at him. His internment with terrorists and their treatment of him has no real bearing on his voluntary actions.

2. Troop swaps are common. However, I believe the price paid was overly high.

3. POTUS was required to report and he failed. I believe that had he made the appropriate notifications, that the swap would have gone off as appropriate. I don't remember congress having veto authority. It was a notification requirement and congress could have waived for compassionate reasons the 30 day notice. They weren't given a chance.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 9:19:00 PM

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It's a shame we aren't in an actual declared war with the little mis-understood, throat-slitting bastards. if we were, if Bergdahl were found guilty of desertion, we could execute the piece of shit.

Brave men died, trying to find him, thinking he had been taken; not wanted to join up with the enemy.

At the very least, he should get a sentence of life, in front of the firing squad, not knowing if they're ever going to actually pull the triggers.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 9:34:43 PM

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"Brave men died ,trying to find him"
You are going to have to back that up,cause I never heard any such thing.
IF I'm wrong prove it,if not it's just some more bullshit .

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 10:14:25 PM

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I saw your comment, going by in the scroll, Mike.

Let's be very clear, first off: I don't "have to" do a fucking thing. (ETA: Besides, it's not like you'll actually admit to being wrong. Right?)

That said, I know you'll just poo-poo this since the interview was done on FOX but the commander of the Army Special Forces, when they were looking for Bergdahl, claims that at least six soldiers died, looking for the deserter.

ETA: if you listen, very closely, toward the end, he also says he testified to that statement in front of congress. His use of the word "testified" tells me that he was under oath.

Michael

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/25/2015 10:31:32 PM

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"Brave men died ,trying to find him"
You are going to have to back that up,cause I never heard any such thing.
IF I'm wrong prove it,if not it's just some more bullshit .

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles.html

By people who were there, you haven't heard of it because you only listen to kool-aid drinkers.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 7:04:41 AM

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So you would have left him there ,eh ?
Good to know

If we could get him without unleashing 5 terrorists that would be different, but do you really think we should have strengthened them to get a criminal back? That is exactly what you are supporting when you say this was a good idea.

I know the rigtwing fascist goons and thugs dont get out much but we been trying to peddle those guys for many years, almost since the Gitmo guys were reviewed at Obamas first inauguration. They could have had them for free, and when Bergdahl came up, it was a cute pastiche, cuz they would have had them with or without Bergdahl.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 8:47:24 AM

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I saw your comment, going by in the scroll, Mike.

Let's be very clear, first off: I don't "have to" do a fucking thing. (ETA: Besides, it's not like you'll actually admit to being wrong. Right?)

That said, I know you'll just poo-poo this since the interview was done on FOX but the commander of the Army Special Forces, when they were looking for Bergdahl, claims that at least six soldiers died, looking for the deserter.

ETA: if you listen, very closely, toward the end, he also says he testified to that statement in front of congress. His use of the word "testified" tells me that he was under oath.

Michael

Sorry DS,when you come here and make outlandish statements yes....you will be called on them to "prove" them.You object to my using the phrase "have to".....well tough fucking shit.
I type what I want to type ...you do the same,thank you very much.
If you are reading me on a scroll that is probably because you have me on hide.....fair enough.
No sense in me following your link than......and by the way your claim is still so much bullshit.
No one died while specifically looking for Sargent Bergdahl.
Did people die while on patrol and having as a secondary mission being on the look out for him....I'm sure they did.It's a fucking war zone...that shit happens.
No one dies specifically due to Bergadahls actions and to say so is just so much bullshit.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/379926/did-six-soldiers-really-die-looking-bergdahl-not-quite-spencer-case

Once again posters from the right try to peddle bullshit and think no one will call them on it.
Must come from listening to right wing kool aid dispensers,eh Bama ?

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 8:58:21 AM

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Mike we and you can only go by what his immediate commanders testified to...and it was reported that in looking for him directly soldiers were killed. I think repeating that was not outlandish at all.

Yes soldiers may have been killed in regular duties and circumstances... but if they were specifically looking for him and were killed that is pertinent...don't you think?

Butch

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:01:41 AM

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Mike we and you can only go by what his immediate commanders testified to...and it was reported that in looking for him directly soldiers were killed. I think repeating that was not outlandish at all.

Yes soldiers may have been killed in regular duties and circumstances... but if they were specifically looking for him and were killed that is pertinent...don't you think?

Butch

Outlandish = Mike doesn't like it.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:05:42 AM

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Well if his immediate commanders include Lt. Col. Michael Waltz, and Bergdahl has been missing for 5 years or so. That aint happening, he was an aide to Dick 'shoot em in the face' Cheney.

But he is enhancing his story:
Michael Waltz, who as an Army major commanded U.S. Special Forces in eastern Afghanistan at the time Bergdahl disappeared, said the sergeant deserted and shouldn’t have been accorded POW status.

“He just walked off after guard duty and wandered into the nearby village,” Waltz told McClatchy in an interview Monday. “This guy needs to be held accountable when the time is right, of course. Every American deserves to come home. I’m happy for his family. But he needs to be held accountable.”

(this says they knew where he was. Where were the deaths then?) His story is better in the telling.

He is a rightwing facist thug and goon. No more.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:10:37 AM

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Mike we and you can only go by what his immediate commanders testified to...and it was reported that in looking for him directly soldiers were killed. I think repeating that was not outlandish at all.

Yes soldiers may have been killed in regular duties and circumstances... but if they were specifically looking for him and were killed that is pertinent...don't you think?

Butch

Read the link Butch,no soldiers dies while specifically looking for Bergdahl
So that statement is bullshit pure and simple

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:12:42 AM

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Mike we and you can only go by what his immediate commanders testified to...and it was reported that in looking for him directly soldiers were killed. I think repeating that was not outlandish at all.

Yes soldiers may have been killed in regular duties and circumstances... but if they were specifically looking for him and were killed that is pertinent...don't you think?

Butch

Outlandish = Mike doesn't like it.

Loved the substance contained within that post Bama....an improvement over false claims of insult.
Not much,but at least you are moving in the right direction.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:26:38 AM

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I can't read it Mike... Norton tells me it is a scam and blocks the page.

Butch

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:30:10 AM

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Mike HERE is a times link...

Butch

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