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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:32:37 AM

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Works fine for me...it's the National Review for gods sake....I can't begin to explain Norton's issue with it....lol

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:43:42 AM

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I got it to load... Norton says there is a virus attached to the page but it blocked it... You did read where the article did say....

"Nevertheless, there is reason to believe that pressure to search for Bergdahl as an auxiliary objective to other missions played some role in these deaths."

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:45:31 AM

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Six deaths occurred in Bergdahl's unit after the operation that was originally mounted to find him had concluded.
How does that make Bergdahl directly responsible for those deaths.
Is anyone suggesting that his unit was supposed to be over there all buttoned up and behind the wire at all times ?
Of course not they had duties over there and after the conclusion of their initial search those duties continued
Unfortunately,as often ,happens in conflict zones soldiers were injured ,soldiers were killed...to lay the blame at Bergdahl's feet,while convenient,just isnt true.
You notice he is not facing any charges related to any of those deaths.....so no,I'm not buying the bullshit I'm being fed

He's charged with desertion and misbehavior if the face of the enemy...not for the deaths of six soldiers.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:49:24 AM

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I just quoted your article Mike... argue with them not me... you posted a link to an article that supports testimony that his disappearance contributed to lose of life.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:56:05 AM

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War contributed to those deaths too Butch
Their is no direct link to Bergdahl's walk....you can stretch the idea of responsibility all you like.
There are many who will turn around and suggest that Bush and Cheney are directly responsible for every death in Iraq....how does that sit with the right ?

It's just too far a reach to lay this at his feet,he's responsible for what he did,not for everything that followed in a conflict zone.
People die,that's the nature of war

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 9:58:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Six deaths occurred in Bergdahl's unit after the operation that was originally mounted to find him had concluded.
How does that make Bergdahl directly responsible for those deaths.
Is anyone suggesting that his unit was supposed to be over there all buttoned up and behind the wire at all times ?
Of course not they had duties over there and after the conclusion of their initial search those duties continued
Unfortunately,as often ,happens in conflict zones soldiers were injured ,soldiers were killed...to lay the blame at Bergdahl's feet,while convenient,just isnt true.
You notice he is not facing any charges related to any of those deaths.....so no,I'm not buying the bullshit I'm being fed
He's charged with desertion and misbehavior if the face of the enemy...not for the deaths of six soldiers.

They were searching for him, conducting different and more dangerous operations than they would have been had he not deserted.
He isn't legally responsible, but he is most assuredly morally responsible.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 10:00:18 AM

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War contributed to those deaths too Butch
Their is no direct link to Bergdahl's walk....you can stretch the idea of responsibility all you like.
There are many who will turn around and suggest that Bush and Cheney are directly responsible for every death in Iraq....how does that sit with the right ?

It's just too far a reach to lay this at his feet,he's responsible for what he did,not for everything that followed in a conflict zone.
People die,that's the nature of war

When they die as a result of his treason yes he is responsible.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 10:09:31 AM

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I think they died because of their proximity to camo, it is actually more provably causal.

The US army does not go looking for deserters. They have time on their side.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 10:09:50 AM

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Those are too conflicting posts Bama...he is either responsible due to his desertion or he isn't .
Since the army chose not to charge him in connection with any of those deaths I'm going to go with their assessment ?
Bergdahl faces charges of desertion and misbehavior in the face of the enemy...let him stand before a court based on those charges and take his chances .
Beyond that there is nothing more than the distaste that is I guess a natural reaction to his actions.....and false statements attributing deaths to him.
it helps the meme that President Obama fucked up by approving the trade....so for sure you guys will run with it.
Enjoy the exercise in mental masturbation.....he faces the charges he does and no more .

By the way,he isn't charged with treason either,so no one died as a result of treason that didn't happen

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 10:15:56 AM

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Your own article says his disappearance contributed to deaths... his fellow soldiers say it contributed to deaths... so I choose to believe them. If it is only perception on their parts it is still real to them. Mike there is just no defending this asshole.

Now if we were in a real war where prisoners were exchanged then I could agree with Obama... but this is not the case. This is more akin to kidnapping for ransom than prisoner of war exchanges. The bottom line is for years we have refused to give in to this type of exchange for good reason... Obama made a mistake in doing it. Yes he did it with good intentions and I am glad we have him back but it was still wrong to do. If i were this mans parent of course I would be thankful but i would still think it wrong.

ps... my objection to Obama's actions do not depend on loss of life... this is just a side note.

Butch

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 10:25:53 AM

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I'm not defending "this asshole" he will stand before a court and they will reach a finding.
That's that,I have no dog in this fight...other than objecting to ds post wherein he laid the death of six serviceman at Bergdahl's feet.
If he was responsible for those deaths he should face charges for them,since he isn't facing those charges I will choose to lend more weight to those from the pentagon and the army in general who state that he wasn't responsible and that no soldiers died as a result of the operation to find him.
It's just that simple.....responsible = charges
not responsible = no charges

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 10:36:57 AM

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It's slightly curious.Officer Wilson is innocent as the driven snow because the grand jury decide not to indict
All well and good.
Bergdahl is guilty despite the absence of any charge linking him to these deaths.
Curious indeed

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 10:45:21 AM

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I understand you...I just think there is enough testimony that DS was justified in his statements and perhaps your objections to a direct or secondary cause of death was more to argue a small difference in opinion rather than facts. Otherwise was it worth it? I mean of all people he has good reason to be a bit jaded... I know i would be and would have most likely overlooked this dispute that really has no bearing on his mans guilt or innocence.

Butch

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 11:16:45 AM

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I get where you are coming from as far as ds is concerned and his quite understandable bitterness.
But to me the statement was false....soldiers die in war zones.
To state unequivocally that Bergdahl was responsible for six soldiers death when it's just not factually correct could not in my opinion be allowed to go unchallenged, his personal loss notwithstanding(I'm a father too,so I am not without some ability to relate)
Besides,he has me on hide.... I doubted he would see it,as it is he says he saw it on the crawl....and than came back and engaged.
While I'm sure we would all like to protect him from anything that touches a nerve where this subject is concerned....he came here of his own free will and posted.
Should I have given him a pass based solely on his loss....perhaps I should have,but would that have included every other poster who echoed the meme ?

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 11:31:44 AM

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I understand you...I just think there is enough testimony that DS was justified in his statements and perhaps your objections to a direct or secondary cause of death was more to argue a small difference in opinion rather than facts. Otherwise was it worth it? I mean of all people he has good reason to be a bit jaded... I know i would be and would have most likely overlooked this dispute that really has no bearing on his mans guilt or innocence.

Butch

I wasn't addressing bergdahl's guilt or innocence, per se. I was just saying it was too bad, if found guilty, he couldn't be executed.

I find the brave men and women that were injured and died as a direct result of this guy, deserting and possibly trying to commit treason (I believe he would have, had the guys that took him brought him into the fold) to be an aggravating factor, making his act deserving of the death penalty.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 11:34:34 AM

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I think the charges he has will not get him executed. I think all he will get is a kick and a dishonorable.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 11:47:10 AM

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There we go again with the misuse of the word "direct"....look I get it ,this is how you "feel" about it,fine and dandy.
The fact is though,despite your "feelings" Bergdahl wasn't "directly" responsible for the death of those soldiers.
Apparently the convening authority reached the same conclusion .
He faces no such charges and no charge of treason either....despite your distatse for him and his actions.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 11:50:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I understand you...I just think there is enough testimony that DS was justified in his statements and perhaps your objections to a direct or secondary cause of death was more to argue a small difference in opinion rather than facts. Otherwise was it worth it? I mean of all people he has good reason to be a bit jaded... I know i would be and would have most likely overlooked this dispute that really has no bearing on his mans guilt or innocence.

Butch

Not for nothing Butch,but under these guidelines do I get to say whatever I want to say on a gun thread...without being challenged ?
After all I have my reasons for bitterness,I can blame a gun for directly causing my father's suicide(ignoring completely all other factors)

No,I don't.
I enter gun threads at my own risk .DS can take the same chances ,good for the goose and all that

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 11:52:50 AM

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I just heard, on the news, that the government is deciding whether or not they will be seeking the death penalty (they have to make notification before the general court martial begins).

I didn't hear exactly what was said, but they have a specific amount of time between the Article 132 (arraignment) hearing and the actual start of the trial to decide and notify the court and the defense if they will be seeking it.

I didn't think it was on the table since the "war on terror" isn't an actual declared war (there's a whole 'nother pile of bullshit to dig through, there). Apparently, it is an option that is open to the government.

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RE: Dersition and misconduct charges for Bergdahl - 3/26/2015 12:00:02 PM

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So there is still a chance that the blood lust demonstrated on these pages will be sated.....great

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