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eulero83 -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 2:05:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: eulero83

Sorry but... do you mean among the canapes there was some fingerfood version of pizza or you had an actual pizza served to you?



I'm almost positive I said: " ... amongst a host of other things"

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


"Who serves pizza at weddings?" is as ignorant a question as "Who eats Chinese food for breakfast?"

I was raised in an Italian family. My grandparents were named "Di Matteo". I've been to an Italian wedding or two and you can bet your bottom dollar that pizza (amongst a host of other things) was served. Pizza is a variation on a very old traditional Sicilian staple food that was about all that poor Sicilians could afford to eat on a day-in-day-out basis.

Just another example of: "You only have freedom if I think you should have it." Fucking laughable.



Michael



Why ... Yes! Yes, I did!

Also, I wasn't talking about some kind of "finger food". Grandpa was one of 13 children and I can't recall a wedding where there wasn't pizza or twelve.



Michael



must be an italo-american thing then




BamaD -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 2:09:55 PM)


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Will people go into the bakery and announce that it is their second marriage and the give details of the divorce?
You do know that the reason for the divorce and other things make a difference. For example a Catholic friend of mine got an annulment from the church.


maybe they would say that just as small talk like in "in my first wedding I had a small cake this time I want a big and fancy one", so I wonder if that's the case the good christian baker would say "stop I don't feel comfortable with baking a cake for divorced peoples"
Don't warry I know catholicism better than you, and annulment is not a divorce, annulment means the marriage was not valid under the laws of the catholic daduloctrine so you demostrate in a court of the roman rota that you are actually not married.

As you know there are still provisions which make a second marriage ok ( adultry and death for example) and since it is a religious question the churches declaration that the first marriage never actually happened. You are graspiing at straws.




BitaTruble -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 2:14:04 PM)

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must be an italo-american thing then


... or.. you can read Cosmo which listed pizza/taco/hot dog bars among its New Trends in Weddings Receptions top 12




mnottertail -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 2:27:01 PM)

But the Indiana society pages are mum on the subject.




stef -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 2:35:38 PM)


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But the Indiana society pages are mum on the subject.

Cosmo is the arbiter of all that is high-society these days.




mnottertail -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 2:37:37 PM)

I never noticed that all I read about was a girls goto move to please her man was go for the elbow.




BitaTruble -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 3:33:21 PM)


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I never noticed that all I read about was a girls goto move to please her man was go for the elbow.



Never underestimate the importance of moisturizing! [;)]




eulero83 -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 3:36:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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must be an italo-american thing then


... or.. you can read Cosmo which listed pizza/taco/hot dog bars among its New Trends in Weddings Receptions top 12



Not in italy, for very strong cultural reasons, I was kind of puzzled when it was suggested it came from the italian heritage expecially from a southern one, and I'm not talking about the pizza itself but the use of it not in the shape of canapès and after the aperitive.




slvemike4u -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 3:46:45 PM)

This is all so much bullshit....this isn't about,IMO,peoples faith as much as it is about people's hate.
A certain segment of society doesn't like that gays can marry and this is the backlash,dressed in faith.
I really can not state how much I detest people who use faith as a justification for hateful actions....this is why I'm a "lapsed Catholic".
My relationship with my god doesn't include instructions on who to shun, are on who to turn away.....these people ought to be ashamed of themselves.




eulero83 -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 3:48:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

As you know there are still provisions which make a second marriage ok ( adultry and death for example) and since it is a religious question the churches declaration that the first marriage never actually happened. You are graspiing at straws.


I was just wondering if they would make a stand even about that, my guess is not, and by the way I also wonder what the fuck has religion to do with a civil union it's not they are marrying in a church or in front of a priest...
By the way adultry is not a reason enough for catholics.




Aylee -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:10:19 PM)


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speaking of violence in a broad sort of way, in case this hasn't been posted yet:

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Meanwhile, over at Yelp.com, more than a thousand “reviews” of Memories Pizza rapidly accumulated, quickly overwhelming the positive comments from actual customers who like the pizza, the hospitality and the small-town charm. Folks who never heard of Walkerton attacked Crystal O’Connor’s business, her morality and her Lord. Many of the remarks included racially charged descriptions of genitalia and sex acts. “Reviewers” also posted pictures of naked men, of Adolf Hitler shouting “Ich habe ein pizza” (I have a pizza), and of Jesus gesturing with his middle finger. Over on Facebook, the restaurant’s 5-star average rating rapidly plunged to one star, as non-customers slammed away at Crystal’s little business.

In Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, a manifesto of political power, Rule No. 12 says, in part:

"Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)"

The Left doesn’t care who gets hurt, so long as they get what they want. They’re willing — no, they’re eager — to sacrifice a small-town business, and it’s owners.

Lest you think I’m being too dramatic. Late Wednesday, word comes that Jess Dooley, a female coach at Concord High School 45 minutes away in Elkhart, has been suspended after tweeting:

Who’s going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me?


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/04/01/story-about-1st-business-to-publicly-vow-to-reject-gay-weddings-was-fabricated-out-of-nothing/


Defamation anyone?




Politesub53 -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:18:21 PM)


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How about "forced by their own beliefs and the beliefs of the shop owner" to go elsewhere?


How about you stop being a fucking hypocrite and just admit it is discrimination. The difference being a gay person wouldnt refuse to serve someone for being straight.

Frankly I would refuse to serve you for being an arsehole.

One point that stands out to me on this thread, is all of you tossers claiming to support "religious freedom" show very fucking little of it in your posts regards Islam.



Actually that's total bullshit. I have been in many bars that didn't allow straight men in. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


I bet you havent........ Although many gay bars wont let groups of drunken straight men in, for obvious reasons.

Hell, most bars where I live wont let groups of drunk straight men in, for the very same reason.




dcnovice -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:21:18 PM)

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speaking of violence in a broad sort of way,

Very broad.


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In Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals ...

Ah, the thread's official now: Someone's invoked Alinsky.




Politesub53 -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:23:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

If you have a problem with gays, just say so. Don't hide behind juvenile cocksucking jokes. But to answer your second question, it's pretty much a no brainer when the two guys who came in are checking out the chicks and not each other. They rarely made it to the bar before being shown the door.


If you are suggesting these two guys, imaginary as they are, were thrown out for nothing more than eyeing up the girls, I am dubious of your claims.




Politesub53 -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:27:24 PM)


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Because I'm not a hypocrite because you say I am?

I've noticed one thing with you P.S....everyone whose views differ from yours is, in your eyes, a hypocrite. That means that no matter WHAT I say...unless it lines up with your way of thinking...I'm going to be wrong. Sorry, I'd rather argue with Lucy or peon or even mike who at least come back with questions or statements from their POV without name-calling every time they do.



Did I hit a nerve........ my bad [8|]

If you wish to ignore my posts because I point out your hypocrisy, thats your choice. However, if I wish to point out your hypocrisy, thats my choice.




dcnovice -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:33:25 PM)

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I really can not state how much I detest people who use faith as a justification for hateful actions



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Politesub53 -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:35:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

Latest from Indiana: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32166862
Arkansas voted in a similar law, the Gov. refused to sign it, veto is implied, situation not clearly resolved?

Any possibility here of posting to a thread without 'replying' to a specific person? Which doesn't edit out.

FR stands for fast reply so if you put ~fr~ (or some form of FR) at the beginning of your response it will indicate it's not specific to
a person but rather a general thread comment.

Ron beat me.. nm. :D





So yours was a "not quite as fast as Rons" reply then. [8D]




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:38:03 PM)

I have to agree with you Thishereboi..............I have been in cities all around the world where there were bars that wouldn't allow straights in. SOME would, if you were accompanied by a gay but not all of them by a long chalk. I could possibly still name a few of them if necessary although some of them may have gone out of existence.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:41:43 PM)


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Seems to me that one hand, you recognize that both sides have beliefs and freedoms and yet, on the other hand, it's still o.k. to disregard others'...as long as they're Christians...beliefs. Because "they'll get over it".


It isn't OK to disregard others' freedoms and beliefs, CD. It would not be a fine and noble thing to do to send a picture of your wedding cake, with two male figurines on top, but which was made by god-fearing cake makers who thought that the cake would be for a heterosexual couple. That wouldn't be as bad a thing to do as, for instance, bullshitting yourself that you actually think gays are great but, tragically, your religion prevents you from making a cake for them ... but it would still not be a fine and noble thing to do.

Who said the Christian bakers think the gays are great? Or that they consider it a tragedy to not be able to serve them? Or...maybe they do. Sometimes, standing up for your beliefs can be tragic.

How many gay people do you suppose have some tragedy in their lives because of their beliefs? That doesn't stop them from believing what they believe, it just makes part of their life sad. I have a cousin who's gay. His sister hasn't spoken to him since he came out 5 years ago because she believes his union with another man is wrong "in God's eyes.". She was raised in the same church I was, 30 years later when the denominations beliefs had become a lot more accepting. Yet, that's her belief. I just spent time with him and his partpartner at my nephews' wedding. I'm Christian, just as she is. But my BELIEFS disagree with hers. So...she won't see him. I will. How tragic that his own sister won't see him...but it doesn't stop him from living his belief. Or stop her from living hers. He's not wrong but neither is she.And if you don't think a man can be a Christian, disagree with other Christians beliefs but allow them to have them and live their lives accordingly, and still have gay friends, you might want to look for a certain animal on the forums. He carries something in his tagline that should indicate to you that he considers me his friend.




dcnovice -> RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone (4/2/2015 4:57:44 PM)

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His sister hasn't spoken to him since he came out 5 years ago because she believes his union with another man is wrong "in God's eyes."

God, that's heartbreaking.

Can't help thinking of the final line from the Gospel for today (Maundy Thursday):

"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another." (Jn 13:35)




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