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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 8:49:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		No matter how you slice it...recording a phone call without a person's knowledge is illegal. He can be charged. And he should be.

That said...now let's see all those against defending your beliefs in your place of business line up to castigate her on this thread. Tell us how hateful she is.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 8:53:34 AM   
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seems pretty legitimate question to me, if someone claims there are gay bars refusing service to stright people to me it sounds a declaration that can be true only if it was taken out of context, of course if the supposedly stright person (but more likely repressed homosexual with struggles due to a religous education) goes in a gay bar and start harrassing the other customers for being gays he will be kicked out, not for his strightness but for his antisocial conduct, I feel quite unlikely the bouncer will start a vetting process at the door and in that case where wil be the limit set, will be a person unsure of his sexualty bounced, a first timer, a bisexual, or someone just not fitting the steretype bouced? will they ask for an autocertification? Is it actualy a private club? all this questions I can't give myself an answer that's not different from yours makes me think it was a random declaration just to put gay people at the same level of christians on this issue.


Actually when I worked the door at our local club, I started vetting a customer as they drove in the lot. I looked for anything that indicated they person could be trouble. That included being drunk, high, loud and belligerent or even straight. Now I understand that you are having trouble understanding how I could tell if someone was straight but I am not sure I can explain it online. After a while, you just know. Either by the way they act or talk. It's not that hard if you pay attention to people.

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Anyway I suppose if you were vetted by pulling the barrel of a rifle in your asshole that would become your favourite bar. Happy easter lovmuffin.


What a sweet thought and it tells me so much about you eulero, I bet your momma is so proud of you.


what does it tells? that I don't like when I'm told my point is absurede?

well so you were buncing every unsure person?


Yup, that was my job. Luckily it didn't come up often.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 8:59:10 AM   
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No matter how you slice it...recording a phone call without a person's knowledge is illegal. He can be charged. And he should be.

That said...now let's see all those against defending your beliefs in your place of business line up to castigate her on this thread. Tell us how hateful she is.



Not in NJ! One of the reasons I kept my NJ number on my cell phone, when I moved out here. In NJ, as long as one of the people in the conversation knows it's being recorded, it is completely legal. The ruling is: You have no expectation of privacy on my phone (and vice-versa).

You're right, though; it'll be interesting, watching the mental Twister game, going on as the lefties try to explain how the denier of service in this instance was justified.



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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 9:02:12 AM   
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Whether we're speaking about religion or personal beliefs, the fact is that the left is trying to force people to worship at their altar. The more I think about it, I haven't heard any deeply religious people moaning and gnashing teeth at having to serve with homosexuals. Could it be that some people just have a fucking agenda with which they're not willing to part for purely political purposes? How does it feel to be their puppet/mouthpiece?



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No they are not. This has been explained quite a few times.

People that believe that discrimination is wrong are not asking anyone to worship at any altar other than the one they choose.

They are simply asking that in business, people not be allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, color, or sexuality.

It's not fucking complicated.

If it's not ok for a store to refuse service to people of color, it is not ok for a store to refuse service to gay people.

The biggest difference being that people are born the color they are. Many religions believe...and science has not yet proven them wrong...that being gay or lesbian or transgender is a choice. A choice that they believe to be against religious doctrine.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 9:05:56 AM   
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I just caught this story on the local news. In Longwood,FL some Christian guy thought it would be a bright idea to show there is a double standard on this wedding cake issue. He calls an LBGT friendly bakery and trys to order a wedding cake with a not so LBGT friendly inscription. The bakery refuses to make the order. The Christian guy recorded the conversation and posted it on Facebook. The bakery also gets death threats.....or maybe it was the Christian guy getting the threats. I'm not sure. I guess the wedding cake cuts both ways


So now you think it is a double standard because someone refused to make a cake that contained slurs.......

Dear oh dear.

"We don't support gay marriages" is a slur?

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 9:07:23 AM   
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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 9:09:31 AM   
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We don't support religion.

Your choice. Still not a slur.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 9:27:58 AM   
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The biggest difference being that people are born the color they are. Many religions believe...and science has not yet proven them wrong...that being gay or lesbian or transgender is a choice. A choice that they believe to be against religious doctrine.



CD, you know I like you. Also know the poster to whom you were responding is one for whom I have no use, but I want to say that my post had nothing to do with gay people, making a choice to be gay. I don't know how that entered into it.

I believe that people are born with homosexual drives (I also believe that all people are born with the drive to procreate. Talk about dichotomy?).

I do believe that having sex is a choice (except in the case of rape, obviously) and, certainly, getting married is a choice (since there's no more social stigma about having children out of wedlock, anymore).

I don't think one has to be buying into homosexuality being a choice to be opposed to being forced to be anywhere in its environs or its celebrations. There's lots of places I won't go. I discriminaNt (In keeping with the thread title) on a daily basis. As someone said: I don't go to biker bars. I don't go to Jewish temples. I don't go to Mosques. I don't go to Wilkes University.

When I was running my own business, I refused to accept certain kinds of advertising and I even refused to service certain customers. While the advertising decisions were sometimes lifestyle/what kind of advertising do I want to associate my business with situations, the customers I turned away were those that either made a pain in the ass of themselves or who lied to me. In either situation, I immediately refused to handle their business.

I'm not sure how I would have reacted if a same sex couple came to me, asking for services that related directly to a wedding but I can tell you that I was glad to have the choice whether or not I wished to serve them. I certainly serviced more than one same sex couple and had no issue with it, but I repeat: I was glad to have the choice.

Now, what is he on about? "Choice" is one of the basic tenets of just about any religion I can think of. In religious terms, it's usually referred to as: "Free will". In that context, choice of any type is at the very heart of what people who believe in freedom are bitching about.

EVERYONE should have choice. Everyone does have choice. There's one side to this argument that is looking to remove choice from the other side. Guess which side that is?



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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 9:29:40 AM   
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We don't support religion.

Your choice. Still not a slur.


Not looking to slur. I am far more eloquent in my slurs of the feeble minded than that.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 9:35:01 AM   
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We don't support religion.

Your choice. Still not a slur.


Not looking to slur. I am far more eloquent in my slurs of the feeble minded than that.
You might want to help out PS then...he thinks it is.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 9:37:21 AM   
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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 10:16:33 AM   
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seems pretty legitimate question to me, if someone claims there are gay bars refusing service to stright people to me it sounds a declaration that can be true only if it was taken out of context, of course if the supposedly stright person (but more likely repressed homosexual with struggles due to a religous education) goes in a gay bar and start harrassing the other customers for being gays he will be kicked out, not for his strightness but for his antisocial conduct, I feel quite unlikely the bouncer will start a vetting process at the door and in that case where wil be the limit set, will be a person unsure of his sexualty bounced, a first timer, a bisexual, or someone just not fitting the steretype bouced? will they ask for an autocertification? Is it actualy a private club? all this questions I can't give myself an answer that's not different from yours makes me think it was a random declaration just to put gay people at the same level of christians on this issue.


Actually when I worked the door at our local club, I started vetting a customer as they drove in the lot. I looked for anything that indicated they person could be trouble. That included being drunk, high, loud and belligerent or even straight. Now I understand that you are having trouble understanding how I could tell if someone was straight but I am not sure I can explain it online. After a while, you just know. Either by the way they act or talk. It's not that hard if you pay attention to people.

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Anyway I suppose if you were vetted by pulling the barrel of a rifle in your asshole that would become your favourite bar. Happy easter lovmuffin.


What a sweet thought and it tells me so much about you eulero, I bet your momma is so proud of you.


While I certainly understand the need for safety, I think it is abhorrent to deny anyone entry to a gay bar because they don't fit your ideals of being gay.

I probably would have been barred from a few of those. I certainly was refused a job or three at gay-owned businesses because the interviewers didn't believe I would fit in because they decided I wasn't gay. The last time that happened, I was lucky enough to have friends working there that could vouch for just how very gay I am.

Really, I had more fun teaching linedancing at a redneck bar. Got more dates too.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 10:59:26 AM   
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Many religions believe...and science has not yet proven them wrong...that being gay or lesbian or transgender is a choice.

Fwiw, I didn't choose my orientation, and I've yet to meet a fellow LGBT person who has.

Do you remember when you chose to be heterosexual?

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 11:23:22 AM   
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Many religions believe...and science has not yet proven them wrong...that being gay or lesbian or transgender is a choice.

Fwiw, I didn't choose my orientation, and I've yet to meet a fellow LGBT person who has.

Do you remember when you chose to be heterosexual?

I am simply pointing out what science has not proven yet. Don't try to take me down for what the science...at THIS point in time...has not proven.

Because of that lack of scientific evidence, many religions view it as a choice. I'm not proclaiming them right. I'm not proclaiming them wrong. I'm stating that until there is scientific proof, these doctrines will likely remain unchanged.

Perhaps people interned in changing people's minds...or their own...ought to look at these studies and support more like them.

http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/are-straight-people-born-that-way/254592/

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2013/06/identical-twin-studies-prove-homosexuality-is-not-genetic/

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 11:27:05 AM   
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Many religions believe...and science has not yet proven them wrong...that being gay or lesbian or transgender is a choice.

Fwiw, I didn't choose my orientation, and I've yet to meet a fellow LGBT person who has.

Do you remember when you chose to be heterosexual?


The only way I know that im straight is that I only get wet for cock.
NO choice, I do not get wet for pussy....no matter how much ive "experimented".

Not one gay(male or female) person Ive met has EVER said it was a personal choice, and it runs into the thousands.
They are who they are, thats fine with me. Far more honest than religious fundies.



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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 11:28:13 AM   
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seems pretty legitimate question to me, if someone claims there are gay bars refusing service to stright people to me it sounds a declaration that can be true only if it was taken out of context, of course if the supposedly stright person (but more likely repressed homosexual with struggles due to a religous education) goes in a gay bar and start harrassing the other customers for being gays he will be kicked out, not for his strightness but for his antisocial conduct, I feel quite unlikely the bouncer will start a vetting process at the door and in that case where wil be the limit set, will be a person unsure of his sexualty bounced, a first timer, a bisexual, or someone just not fitting the steretype bouced? will they ask for an autocertification? Is it actualy a private club? all this questions I can't give myself an answer that's not different from yours makes me think it was a random declaration just to put gay people at the same level of christians on this issue.


Actually when I worked the door at our local club, I started vetting a customer as they drove in the lot. I looked for anything that indicated they person could be trouble. That included being drunk, high, loud and belligerent or even straight. Now I understand that you are having trouble understanding how I could tell if someone was straight but I am not sure I can explain it online. After a while, you just know. Either by the way they act or talk. It's not that hard if you pay attention to people.

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Anyway I suppose if you were vetted by pulling the barrel of a rifle in your asshole that would become your favourite bar. Happy easter lovmuffin.


What a sweet thought and it tells me so much about you eulero, I bet your momma is so proud of you.


what does it tells? that I don't like when I'm told my point is absurede?

well so you were buncing every unsure person?


Yup, that was my job. Luckily it didn't come up often.

Sorry,I'm not buying any of this bullshit,no matter how many first person accounts you share wit us.
I'm still calling bullshit.Barring folks from a public establishment based on their orientation is called discrimination....and you will never convince me it is openly and frequently practiced on the part of gay bars.
I've some business experience...the first rule of business is one doesn't turn away business...to exclude all straight people is a) stupid,financially.
b) impossible to enforce (even with your super power straight detector)
and c) illegal.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 11:33:01 AM   
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Many religions believe...and science has not yet proven them wrong...that being gay or lesbian or transgender is a choice.

Fwiw, I didn't choose my orientation, and I've yet to meet a fellow LGBT person who has.

Do you remember when you chose to be heterosexual?

Yeah,I was very young and happened to see Elizabeth Taylor in the move Cat on a Hot Tin Roof....the scene that did it for me she was trying to entice Paul Newmans character into having sex with her.
Well Newman didn't want any part of it.....and I decide I wanted every part of it .After that there was no turning back,I was six or seven




Just kidding DC.......lol,carry one

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 11:38:29 AM   
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I am simply pointing out what science has not proven yet. Don't try to take me down for what the science...at THIS point in time...has not proven.

Because of that lack of scientific evidence, many religions view it as a choice. I'm not proclaiming them right. I'm not proclaiming them wrong. I'm stating that until there is scientific proof, these doctrines will likely remain unchanged.

Perhaps people interned in changing people's minds...or their own...ought to look at these studies and support more like them.

http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/are-straight-people-born-that-way/254592/

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2013/06/identical-twin-studies-prove-homosexuality-is-not-genetic/



I've dated people that are one of a set of twins, a few times (twice, I dated both of them, lucky me!).

I remember studies, years ago (thirty or so) which I cannot cite that said that in the case of fraternal and identical twins, it was almost 100% that one of them would be either bisexual or gay.

Now, I didn't read the first link you posted but the second one seems to have only focused on twins where one of them was gay or bisexual (makes sense, based upon the focus of the study).

All the things I've typed, so far, tell me that they have a very large group from which to choose. But that's about all it tells me.

While I absolutely agree that childhood abuse could play into sexual choice, I still believe there are some people that are just (watch Michael. he's about to use a "lifestyle" term) hard-wired that way.

I certainly don't believe that a person who has not suffered abuse or what have you, wakes up one day and says: "I think I prefer cock over pussy". I think there has to be some attraction to both (and some experimentation) in order for a person to make that "choice".



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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 11:47:31 AM   
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No matter how you slice it...recording a phone call without a person's knowledge is illegal. He can be charged. And he should be.

That said...now let's see all those against defending your beliefs in your place of business line up to castigate her on this thread. Tell us how hateful she is.


Not quite. In most states; you can record your own telephone conversations legally. As long as one party to the conversation knows it is being recorded; it is legal most places.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#United_States

All-party consent states

Some states currently require that all parties consent to the recording: California,[18] Connecticut,[19] Florida[20] Hawaii (in general a one-party state, but requires two-party consent if the recording device is installed in a private place),[19] Illinois (debated, see next section), Maryland,[21] Massachusetts,[19] Montana[22] (requires notification only), New Hampshire,[23] Pennsylvania,[24] and Washington.[25] (However section 3 of the Washington law states that permission is given if any of the parties announces that they will be recording the call in a reasonable manner if the recording contains that announcement.)

One-party consent states

All other states (and the District of Columbia) not listed above require only that one party consent.

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RE: Indiania can now discriminant against anyone - 4/4/2015 11:50:50 AM   
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I am simply pointing out what science has not proven yet.

And I am simply sharing my real-life experience.

And inviting you (along with other posters) to share yours. Was there a point when you looked at the pros and cons of heterosexuality vs. homosexuality and decided "Okay then, I'll be straight"?

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