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It seems to me to be monumentally simplistic to reduce all such stuff to the given religion, alone.

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Also to Nthrall, for the most part I believe all religions are different versions of the same truth. We as humans tend to distort truth even unintentionally.

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1. All religions ARE bad. Religions are tribal and compete with other tribes. All religions are based on core rules and/or fantasies and are out of date from their inception. Small and/or paranoid tribes recruit, persecute, fight, etc. They do this to gain/retain membership and defend their creeds.

2. Statements of belief, disagreement, aggression or twisted arguments won't cut it, even though most of the religious have been practicing this for centuries. All religions are palpably false, they do more harm than good, and they have no evidence to support their claims.

3. No one, with the possible exception of some ascetics, actually believes in god(s) - if they did they would BE ascetics (and terrified). Fortunately there are no gods (as we all know really), and heaven and hello are inventions. Religions are doing their best to create hell on Earth, but at least we can be sure that heaven is impossible, as no good person could be completely happy while suffering exists.

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HBO is coming out with its Scientology documentary tonight, and I'm super interested to see it.

The real problem with religion is that practitioners equate its practice as scientific truth. Religion often leads to out grouping and bigotry.

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As I said, a statement of belief won't cut it.

Well then, since your claims themselves are merely statements of belief, you should be able to appreciate why they don't cut it.

K.

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As I said, a statement of belief won't cut it.

Well then, since your claims themselves are merely statements of belief, you should be able to appreciate why they don't cut it.

My "claims" follow logically from observation and deduction (drawn from lack of contradictory evidence), as such they are arguments. Religious apologists have no arguments, and having no arguments you have resorted to the sadly predictable ad hominem attacks. Don't die ignorant.

I'm not apologizing for religion. I'm attacking an ignorant bigot. And unlike you, I have the evidence. But okay, fine. Let's see yours. We'll go with these claims, just for starters:

All religions are "bad", "tribal", and "doing their best to create hell on Earth".

Take your time. I have all day.

K.

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ALL any religion has ever done for humanity is to cause murder,terror,false fear,and general suffering. millions of people throughout history have had there lives cut short because of this crap.
it's sad to see but it won't ever stop! 500 years ago the catholic church instigated a centuries long campaign of terror,torture,and murder. for the crime of "witchcraft" now it's islams turn to do some damage. what will it be next?! and i agree that islam is much more hardcore than other faiths and indeed islamic countries are nothing less than dictatorships. because religion has impeded the minds ability to reason and understand. so there countries are barbaric hell holes!

I mean this gently, I hope someday you will be able to look back on that statement and realize how wrong you were.

Thats some damn fine irony Bounty, even coming from you. << Opps, forgot to say I mean this gently.

“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

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the only irony here is in your not knowing my frame of reference and perspective, yet presuming to, and nevertheless speaking as if you do.

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Also to Nthrall, for the most part I believe all religions are different versions of the same truth. We as humans tend to distort truth even unintentionally.

As I said, a statement of belief won't cut it. All that says is which tribe(s) has/have influenced you, unless you're making up your own religion which would identify you as insane. You have to talk to the same invisible, impossible, imaginary monster as other people to be considered sane. This truth would be "be nice to people who have the same delusion as you", right?

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1. All religions ARE bad. Religions are tribal and compete with other tribes. All religions are based on core rules and/or fantasies and are out of date from their inception. Small and/or paranoid tribes recruit, persecute, fight, etc. They do this to gain/retain membership and defend their creeds.

2. Statements of belief, disagreement, aggression or twisted arguments won't cut it, even though most of the religious have been practicing this for centuries. All religions are palpably false, they do more harm than good, and they have no evidence to support their claims.

3. No one, with the possible exception of some ascetics, actually believes in god(s) - if they did they would BE ascetics (and terrified). Fortunately there are no gods (as we all know really), and heaven and hello are inventions. Religions are doing their best to create hell on Earth, but at least we can be sure that heaven is impossible, as no good person could be completely happy while suffering exists.

Oh look another one, perhaps you and the op could get together and form your own church. That way you would have a platform to preach from and a place to hold your pot lucks.

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Look up the meaning of the word "apologist".

I know what the word apologist means: "a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc." You just don't know that the definition of apologizing includes that usage: "to make a formal defense in speech or writing."

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All religions are "bad", "tribal", and "doing their best to create hell on Earth".

Lies are bad, religions group people, war is hell, you're an idiot.

Another definition you would benefit from investigating is: non sequitur.

K.


This is the typical behaviour of a religious apologist: you cannot defend your position, so you attack something else.

(in reply to Kirata)