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joether -> Deal reached with Iran (4/2/2015 12:56:34 PM)

Seems that deal that was past its due date turned out to be nearly complete at the time. The Obama administration with other countries made a huge amount of progress and arrived at a tentative agreement with Iran's nuclear issues:

• U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry stressed that if a final deal is reached with Iran, the removal of any sanctions against Tehran will come in phases. "And if we find out at any point that Iran is not complying with the agreement, the sanctions can snap back into place," he said.

• The deal would see Iran reduce its stockpile of low-enriched uranium by 98% for 15 years and cut its installed centrifuges by more than two-thirds for 10 years, Kerry said.

• Once a final agreement is implemented, the international community will have the confidence that Iran's nuclear program is peaceful and will remain so, Kerry said.

• French President Francois Hollande said France, along with its partners, will monitor the implementation of the terms of the agreement before a final deal by the end of June, "so that the international community can be assured that Iran will not be in position to acquire a nuclear weapon."

• U.S. President Barack Obama praised the world powers that have agreed on the general terms of a deal meant to keep Iran's nuclear program peaceful. "I am convinced if this framework leads to a final, comprehensive deal, it will make our country, our allies, our world safer," Obama said Thursday from the Rose Garden at the White House.

• "If Iran cheats, the world will know it," Obama said.

• Obama said that he would reach out to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to explain and defend the tentative framework. "If, in fact, Prime Minister Netanyahu is looking for the most effective way to ensure that Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon, this is the best option," Obama said.

• Obama warned leaders of Congress not to stop the deal. "If Congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it's the United States that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy," Obama said. "International unity will collapse."


I like that last one. Since it speaks to those 47 idiots that should they try....something....anything....

That is not within the full letter of the law, they'll be charged in court over federal crimes. Them and the four 2016 presidential candidates who signed that letter with them. This is the point where Republican/Tea Party morons fucking something up, its on them, not the Obama administration, nor the rest of the world. In true 'Republican/Tea Party spirit, it will be hard for them to.....NOT.....fuck something up. Questions I have are:

A ) How big is the fuck up going to be?
B ) How will they spin shit once it comes to light?

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DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/2/2015 1:21:45 PM)

A) as big as they can make it.
B) who cares? The Foxzombies will be convinced Obama is giving them our nuke missiles, and no one else will listen. Same old.

[sm=binky.gif]




mnottertail -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/2/2015 1:40:26 PM)

I thought St. Wrinklemeat already gave them nukes.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/2/2015 4:21:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
Seems that deal that was past its due date turned out to be nearly complete at the time. The Obama administration with other countries made a huge amount of progress and arrived at a tentative agreement with Iran's nuclear issues:
• U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry stressed that if a final deal is reached with Iran, the removal of any sanctions against Tehran will come in phases. "And if we find out at any point that Iran is not complying with the agreement, the sanctions can snap back into place," he said.
• The deal would see Iran reduce its stockpile of low-enriched uranium by 98% for 15 years and cut its installed centrifuges by more than two-thirds for 10 years, Kerry said.
• Once a final agreement is implemented, the international community will have the confidence that Iran's nuclear program is peaceful and will remain so, Kerry said.
• French President Francois Hollande said France, along with its partners, will monitor the implementation of the terms of the agreement before a final deal by the end of June, "so that the international community can be assured that Iran will not be in position to acquire a nuclear weapon."
• U.S. President Barack Obama praised the world powers that have agreed on the general terms of a deal meant to keep Iran's nuclear program peaceful. "I am convinced if this framework leads to a final, comprehensive deal, it will make our country, our allies, our world safer," Obama said Thursday from the Rose Garden at the White House.
• "If Iran cheats, the world will know it," Obama said.
• Obama said that he would reach out to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to explain and defend the tentative framework. "If, in fact, Prime Minister Netanyahu is looking for the most effective way to ensure that Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon, this is the best option," Obama said.
• Obama warned leaders of Congress not to stop the deal. "If Congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it's the United States that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy," Obama said. "International unity will collapse."
I like that last one. Since it speaks to those 47 idiots that should they try....something....anything....
That is not within the full letter of the law, they'll be charged in court over federal crimes. Them and the four 2016 presidential candidates who signed that letter with them. This is the point where Republican/Tea Party morons fucking something up, its on them, not the Obama administration, nor the rest of the world. In true 'Republican/Tea Party spirit, it will be hard for them to.....NOT.....fuck something up. Questions I have are:
A ) How big is the fuck up going to be?
B ) How will they spin shit once it comes to light?
SOURCE


I sure hope Iran complies with their part of the bargain, and the rest of the world complies with theirs. I hope there is follow-through and accountability. It would be a shame to see all that time, energy, and money wasted by not enforcing this deal.




bounty44 -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 4:42:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

A) as big as they can make it.
B) who cares? The Foxzombies will be convinced Obama is giving them our nuke missiles, and no one else will listen. Same old.

[sm=binky.gif]


if you actually watch fox news as opposed to parroting leftist nonsensical thoughts concerning it, youd realize that some of the commentators there are supportive of and in agreement with what has just occurred.




Kirata -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 5:39:22 AM)


I wouldn't open any champagne on the basis of a report from the Comedy News Network. Nobody signed anything in Lausanne. Nobody has any obligations. And there many contentious issues that remain unresolved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-talks.html

K.











Kirata -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 7:48:18 AM)


Iran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement
Says White House misleading Congress, American people with fact sheet


LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Just hours after the announcement of what the United States characterized as a historic agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, the country’s leading negotiator lashed out at the Obama administration for lying about the details of a tentative framework. Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused the Obama administration of misleading the American people and Congress in a fact sheet it released following the culmination of negotiations with the Islamic Republic.

K.





Sanity -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 7:50:29 AM)


FR

Sanctions to be terminated...

No nuke sites closed...

Research and development to continue...

Deal fails to address Americans held captive in Tehran...

Joyful Iranians dance into night...

http://www.drudgereport.com/




mnottertail -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 7:57:07 AM)

nukes and prisoners are apples and oranges. There is no reason to close their nuclear sites, they are not making and do not have the capability of making weapons grade uranium. Sanctions will be phased out (not terminated) provided they are meeting their end of the bargain. It will be verified in every respect.

However, this is not a done deal, there needs to be the written agreement of these issues (and they will be fought sentence by sentence) and there is any number of ways the deal will be kinked. The Fascist Senate could refuse to do this without an Obamacare defunding amendment on the treaty, and so on and so forth...........




tweakabelle -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 8:04:36 AM)

While I am generally more optimistic about the Lausanne negotiations than you appear to be do you agree that it is worthwhile to continue the negotiations to iron out the remaining issues?

The negotiations mark the first constructive engagement between the US and Iran since the Iranian Revolution, which on its own is a step in the right direction. It appears that agreement in principle has been reached on most if not all of the major issues, which suggests that both sides are approaching the negotiations positively. This suggests that agreement on outstanding issues is within reach.

If successful the negotiations offer not only a means of resolving the Iranian nuclear capacity issues but could be a foundation on which a lasting resolution of the US-Iran impasse, (which has gone on for decades and doesn't appear to me to be in any one's lasting interest) could be built.




Kirata -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 9:59:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

While I am generally more optimistic about the Lausanne negotiations than you appear to be do you agree that it is worthwhile to continue the negotiations to iron out the remaining issues?

I guess we'll see, but there should never have been any candy in the deal for Iran to come to the table. If that was what was necessary to induce them to negotiate, then they're only there for the candy. If Iran's primary interest is enjoying the relaxed sanctions for as long as possible without really giving up anything they want, they will negotiate until somebody gets fed up with the game, and then blame them for the failure.

K.





tweakabelle -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 11:15:46 AM)

quote:

there should never have been any candy in the deal for Iran to come to the table


So you prefer capitulation to negotiation, even though it's pretty clear that after all theses years of sanctions, no capitulation is going to occur.

I'm surprised to see you share Netanyahoo's position, not that it makes your position any less bankrupt. There's always "candy" of one sort or another on the table during negotiations, almost by definition.




mnottertail -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 11:19:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

While I am generally more optimistic about the Lausanne negotiations than you appear to be do you agree that it is worthwhile to continue the negotiations to iron out the remaining issues?

I guess we'll see, but there should never have been any candy in the deal for Iran to come to the table. If that was what was necessary to induce them to negotiate, then they're only there for the candy. If Iran's primary interest is enjoying the relaxed sanctions for as long as possible without really giving up anything they want, they will negotiate until somebody gets fed up with the game, and then blame them for the failure.

K.





I thought that they were on timeout with a 'You change your behavior, we will change ours'. If we are not changing behavior, under what circumstance is it in their interest to change theirs?

It aint like they started a war.




Sanity -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 11:35:20 AM)



'It aint like they started a war.'

Yemen (etc) says otherwise




mnottertail -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 11:41:02 AM)

Yemen is fighting Houthis (yemen), and etc means et cetera. Yemen does not say otherwise.

Epic Fail, as usual.




Aylee -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 11:41:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


Iran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement
Says White House misleading Congress, American people with fact sheet


LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Just hours after the announcement of what the United States characterized as a historic agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, the country’s leading negotiator lashed out at the Obama administration for lying about the details of a tentative framework. Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused the Obama administration of misleading the American people and Congress in a fact sheet it released following the culmination of negotiations with the Islamic Republic.

K.




Yeah, but did they get Obama's authorization to release that?




mnottertail -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 11:45:03 AM)

The headline from the rightwing slobbering blog does not match the article, nor is it correct in any sense, the issue has never been that they must stop enriching uranium, they will continue to enrich uranium, there is no problem with that. They need it for their nuke plants.




Sanity -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 11:52:26 AM)


And the Americans are nowhere near Baghdad





DaddySatyr -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 12:02:56 PM)


Yep. It's a great deal:

quote:


The destruction of Israel is non-negotiable ... Iranian Brig. Gen. Mohammad Reza Naqdi


These are interesting times we're living, folks.



Michael




mnottertail -> RE: Deal reached with Iran (4/3/2015 12:02:58 PM)

And they needn't be. You are not near baghdad, yemen, Iraq, korea........many places, and the world is the better for that.




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