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Wtf kinda church does this guy go to where he's gotta be packin?

Do you think maybe the denomination matters?

Pastor Killed In Illinois Church Shooting
Priest and Worshiper Shot Dead At Morning Mass on Long Island
Police: Parishioners tackle gunman after church shooting
Pastor's mother killed in church shooting

K.

So you are fine with folks bringing their firearms to church ?


Lets disregard that bringing forearms to church actually was the first step in all of those links.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Wtf kinda church does this guy go to where he's gotta be packin?

Do you think maybe the denomination matters?

Pastor Killed In Illinois Church Shooting
Priest and Worshiper Shot Dead At Morning Mass on Long Island
Police: Parishioners tackle gunman after church shooting
Pastor's mother killed in church shooting

K.

So you are fine with folks bringing their firearms to church ?


Lets disregard that bringing forearms to church actually was the first step in all of those links.

The Pilgrams brought their firearms to church.

'hawk

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I believe the Ninth Amendment shows us that the Constitution is meant to be a living document, and not simply historical law.

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

It merely points out that they couldn't enumerate every right a man had but that the most important ones had been listed. It in no way allowed for the alteration of other parts of the Constitution by other than amendment. While you are at it read the 10th which you will see prohibits the government granting itself new powers (that would be by evolving the Constitution)

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There is no need to "misinterpret"the militia clause.....just acknowledge they are there

But but but, it must have some kind of meaning

It does have meaning muffin,but that meaning has evolved over the years.
Perhaps its evolution is not complete ?
I added a link to my last post,you missed it here it is again.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/so-you-think-you-know-the-second-amendment

Oh yes, the living constitution, it's meaning can change er....I mean evolve to embrace your utopian world view. Got it.

Did you ignore the part which detailed the "evolution" of the late 70's ?

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I believe the Ninth Amendment shows us that the Constitution is meant to be a living document, and not simply historical law.

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

It merely points out that they couldn't enumerate every right a man had but that the most important ones had been listed. It in no way allowed for the alteration of other parts of the Constitution by other than amendment. While you are at it read the 10th which you will see prohibits the government granting itself new powers (that would be by evolving the Constitution)

I'm not a major in english language but to me it means if there is a law outside of the costitution that entitles you of a certain right (I don't know... tax supported health care for example or food stamps), no-one can say it's not a right because it's not in the costitution.

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I believe the Ninth Amendment shows us that the Constitution is meant to be a living document, and not simply historical law.

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

It merely points out that they couldn't enumerate every right a man had but that the most important ones had been listed. It in no way allowed for the alteration of other parts of the Constitution by other than amendment. While you are at it read the 10th which you will see prohibits the government granting itself new powers (that would be by evolving the Constitution)

I'm not a major in english language but to me it means if there is a law outside of the costitution that entitles you of a certain right (I don't know... tax supported health care for example or food stamps), no-one can say it's not a right because it's not in the costitution.

Not to mention the world has changed drastically since the Constitution was written. Our founding fathers had no way to plan for every possible technological advancement.

And 200+ years later, our civilization, based on the founding doctrines of this country, is stronger and more inclusive than it has ever been.

Government has to have the ability to adapt in order to remain functional, especially during times of economic crisis or social unrest.

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BTW rights are not based on technology .

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If you are properly licensed in your state to carry a concealed weapon, then you have the right to do so. And the responsibility to respect your firearm and the safety of anyone you are around, in regards to your gun.

Congress can make no law against it, but private businesses, religious organizations, schools, and private residents can certainly disallow it on their property.

Local ordinances still apply.

http://ecode360.com/15947162

§ 347-2
Discharge of firearms, rifles, shotguns, starter pistols, fireworks and explosive materials or substances.
It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge or permit to be discharged by their minor children, any firearm, rifle, shotgun, starter pistol, fireworks, explosive materials or substances, anywhere within the City of Altoona.

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The Pilgrams brought their firearms to church.

'hawk

Cite please.

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The Pilgrams brought their firearms to church.

'hawk

Cite please.

http://mayflowerhistory.com/religion/

The Church Building.
The church building itself had no significance to the Pilgrims, and was kept intentionally drab and plain, with no religious depictions, crosses, windows, fancy architecture, or icons, to avoid the sin of idolatry. At Plymouth, the Pilgrim's church was the bottom floor of the town's fort--the top floor held six cannons and a watchtower to defend the colony. The church room was also the town's meetinghouse, where court sessions and town meetings took place. Isaac de Rasieres, who visited Plymouth in 1627, reported how the Pilgrim's began their church on Sunday: "They assemble by beat of drum, each with his musket or firelock, in front of the captain's door; they have their cloaks on, and place themselves in order, three abreast, and are led by a sergeant without beat of drum. Behind comes the governor, in a long robe; beside him on the right hand, comes the preacher with his cloak on, and on the left hand, the captain with his side-arms and cloak on, and with a small cane in his hand; and so they march in good order, and each sets his arms down near him." During the early years of Plymouth, failing to bring your gun to church was an offense for which you could be fined 12 pence.

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But if ya really needta tho down on Jeebus!!!!

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One, You are confusing service members with "the government".

Two, there are more of us, then there are of them... By a few hundred million

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There you go...I ask someone not to wear a gun into my house.....and you read it as I was being an asshole.
Please explain to me why I should care about the opinion of an obvious idiot ?

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Wtf kinda church does this guy go to where he's gotta be packin?

Do you think maybe the denomination matters?

Pastor Killed In Illinois Church Shooting
Priest and Worshiper Shot Dead At Morning Mass on Long Island
Police: Parishioners tackle gunman after church shooting
Pastor's mother killed in church shooting

K.

So you are fine with folks bringing their firearms to church ?


Lets disregard that bringing forearms to church actually was the first step in all of those links.

The Pilgrams brought their firearms to church.

'hawk

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But if ya really needta tho down on Jeebus!!!!

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One, You are confusing service members with "the government".

Two, there are more of us, then there are of them... By a few hundred million

Service members are beholden to the government, and once again, this is not the first time you have been confused by reality. They will throw down on you every day we see proof of that. You aren't gonna see a lot of awols. And any number of American Citizens would throw down on the dipshits as well.

the planes, the machine guns, the tanks, the napalm, the tech, the organization, the unlimited budget, they may not win, but they will not lose. More dead Vietnamese, Koreans, Iraqis, ISIS, Al-Queda, Taliban than American Servicemen.

Hallucination is not your friend.

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There you go...I ask someone not to wear a gun into my house.....and you read it as I was being an asshole.
Please explain to me why I should care about the opinion of an obvious idiot ?

The only way that I can make any sense of Bama's position is if I assume that Bama feels people with guns have more rights or occupy a superior social position to those without guns. With that assumption operative, his position makes some kind of sense. Without it, his position is ridiculous.

Which is what his stated positions on most gun-related issues is - ridiculous, deserving of ridicule and not much else.