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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

You are under no obligation to answer any post that you feel challanges your intellect beyond its limits.



Oh good grief. The Patterson was sold to the military as well as the civilian market. Colt intended it for the military.

Colt first patented his gun in england and france before he patened it in the u.s. The french millitary did not buy any. The britts military did not buy any. The u.s. military did not buy any. It was not until years after it had been patented that the u.s. military tried it out and found it too fragil for the military.

The Walker was still the same basic design. The only things that changed were adding another round to the cylinder, a stationary trigger and beefing it up for a the more powerful .44 caliber ball.

That would be your unsubstantiated opinion.


If I say please, will you go away ?

You are under no obligation to answer any post that you feel challanges your intellect beyond its limits.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

There you go...he wasn't actually in jail(which would have made being on my doorstep impossible)so I should assume he is a responsible gun owner.
Yet he wears it because he doesn't trust his fellow citizens
Don't you see the contradiction in those positions ?
He's an armed man,I don't know him...but he's not in jail so he must be alright.....lol

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

There you go...he wasn't actually in jail(which would have made being on my doorstep impossible)so I should assume he is a responsible gun owner.
Yet he wears it because he doesn't trust his fellow citizens
Don't you see the contradiction in those positions ?
He's an armed man,I don't know him...but he's not in jail so he must be alright.....lol

Not what I said.
First you don't care whether he is a responsible gun owner or not. You don't want guns in your home. That is your right.
Since he isn't in jail odds are he isn't some kind of wild man, remember open carry attracts the attention of cops and if he screwed up the would have noticed. All of this is irrelevant because you have the right (and I have never even implied otherwise) to ban them from your house. As I have said I am inclined to believe that you acted like jerk because on here you don't seem to know the meaning of civility. You have admitted that your position on guns it purely emotional, thus your reasons are excuses for what you say, not reasons for what you say.
Second I carry every where because the most dangerous area I go to is my neighborhood. The 20 ft between my door and my car are where I am most likely to have a problem. This doesn't prove I distrust my "fellow citizens" but that I know where the threat is. This in know way means I am not responsible. Your implication that a person carrying proves a lack of responsibility is just an anti-gun fantasy. There is no contradiction.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

No he did not try to sell it to the military.
He made more money selling drugs than he did selling guns until the army approached him years after the pattent was taken out not vice versa.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

No he did not try to sell it to the military.
He made more money selling drugs than he did selling guns until the army approached him years after the pattent was taken out not vice versa.

From Wikipedia:


Colt sold the Paterson revolver and carbine to the United States Army and they saw limited use in the Second Seminole War in Florida.The firepower advantage that they offered was initially praised by the troops, but the United States government considered the arms to be excessively fragile and prone to malfunction.

The army ask him not vice versa


Although neither the First nor Second Model Ring Lever rifles saw widespread adoption by any military organization, several were procured by the United States Army and the Texas Navy.[5] After an unfavorable review by Army officials in September 1837, which reported that Colt's First Model Ring Lever rifle was prone to failure and too complicated for combat service, a second review was conducted in March 1838.[2] At the request of Lieutenant Colonel William S. Harney of the Second Dragoon Regiment, Colt traveled to Florida with 100 Ring Lever rifles for the review.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Ring_Lever_rifles






< Message edited by thompsonx -- 4/8/2015 1:03:06 PM >

(in reply to lovmuffin)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Did the Altoona Jeebus terrorist shott his dick off or what?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

I'm not familiar with the Kahr CW. You can keep repeating 7 safeties as much as you want but it still doesn't make your statement twue.
I can't remember nor can I find any credible gun publication or expert refering to a particular design feature on any gun, including the 1911 that may make it safer, as a safety. But keep trying, ya might even change the traditional definition if you repeat yourself enough.

Also called lock, safety catch, safety lock. a locking or cutoff device that prevents a gun from being fired accidentally.


I am using the traditional, necessary and sufficient conditions of safety, that accurately meets the definition.

You are using the definition of equivocation and dishonest mincing.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

You are under no obligation to answer any post that you feel challanges your intellect beyond its limits.



Oh good grief. The Patterson was sold to the military as well as the civilian market. Colt intended it for the military.

Colt first patented his gun in england and france before he patened it in the u.s. The french millitary did not buy any. The britts military did not buy any. The u.s. military did not buy any. It was not until years after it had been patented that the u.s. military tried it out and found it too fragil for the military.

The Walker was still the same basic design. The only things that changed were adding another round to the cylinder, a stationary trigger and beefing it up for a the more powerful .44 caliber ball.

That would be your unsubstantiated opinion.


If I say please, will you go away ?

You are under no obligation to answer any post that you feel challanges your intellect beyond its limits.

He tried to sell it to the military as was his intention as was the intention of most firearm designs. It saw limited use in the US military.

Now go away.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

I'm not familiar with the Kahr CW. You can keep repeating 7 safeties as much as you want but it still doesn't make your statement twue.
I can't remember nor can I find any credible gun publication or expert refering to a particular design feature on any gun, including the 1911 that may make it safer, as a safety. But keep trying, ya might even change the traditional definition if you repeat yourself enough.

Also called lock, safety catch, safety lock. a locking or cutoff device that prevents a gun from being fired accidentally.


I am using the traditional, necessary and sufficient conditions of safety, that accurately meets the definition.

You are using the definition of equivocation and dishonest mincing.

Your original list of 1911 safeties:

grip safety
sear disconnect
slide stop
half cock position
manual safety
pushback safety
slide single action empty chamber

Lets review a couple of them.

1) slide stop: it holds the slide back if you engage it manually or if the slide comes back on an empty magazine. With an empty mag it visually looks as though it's safe because the gun appears to be empty but with a loaded mag it in fact would be unsafe. I really can't understand why you call that a safety.

2) slide single action empty chamber: Just because you're carrying with the hammer down on an empty chamber doesn't mean it fits the definition of "a safety". You can carry any auto loader that way or even a revolver with the hammer over an empty chamber. I don't suppose you're going to call that a safety on a revolver ?

3)pushback safety: I don't know what that is. I even tried to look it up.

I'll concede on the half cock. It's a passive safety in case your thumb slips off the hammer between a half and full cock or if the notch on the full cock becomes worn and slips. It is however unsafe to carry half cocked over a round.