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BamaD -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/10/2015 9:07:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Your own quote shows that your "headline" is a inaccurate. They can record the police, they just have to stay back when they do it. The recording of this shooting would have been unaffected by that law. You don't think this might be the first step onto a "slippery slope"? [:)] Any thoughts on the requirement that an armed person keep four times the distance of an unarmed observer? ETA: Fixed my math. #funwithchemobrain In a heated confrontation a cop looking up and seeing an armed person could lead to a unfortunate misunderstanding. Do you even know what the point of this law is? The current law says that people recording the police can't get it the way, but leaves how far back they have to say to the discretion of the cops. With this the distance is defined so that cops can't make them move as far away as they want to. It reduces the opportunity for the cops to abuse the law.

slvemike4u -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/10/2015 9:17:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I am sure there will be nationwide protests, and Al Sharpton will be on the scene forthwith to raise some cash off of it... Barack Obama will speak about it in a solemn voice from the Bully Pulpit, and there will be demonstrations on the House floor Sure they will, right after they demand to know why Devon was shot. No surprise who his cheering section turns out to be [:-] No surprise to you because you assume everyone on the right is going to act the same. But if you paid as much attention to what people say as you claim you do, you would know that I rarely stick up for him and have no problems slapping him from time to time. Now I don't expect you to do anything but lie some more so don't expect a lot of back and forth with this one. I have learned you are truly not worth that much time. Awwww,just when I thought we were becoming close [&o] I have no concern with where you fall on other occasions or on other issues....you have to be a complete jackass to have echoed the specific post you echoed. Other than that there is nothing to see here [:D]

tj444 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 12:28:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 as a taxpayer, which would you prefer- to pay for an abortion or to pay for 18 or so years for the mother and child to be on social assistance, medical and all the other costs that go along with it? Only poor people have abortions? quote: and since you talk about consensual sex, where is the daddy's responsibility in all this? why is it that too many men dont want to use condoms but then run when.. opps.. she tells him the wonderful news.. women dont usually get preggers all on their own, after all.. You are absolutely correct that it takes two to tango, so to speak. Where is the father's responsibility? Uh, to help out the mother. Duh. Should the baby daddy help pay for the abortion? IMO, yes. Should the baby daddy help pay for all the necessary pre- and post- medical care? IMO, yes. So, for all you folks out there that are oblivious to what I think, any male and female duo who aren't ready to be parents should really consider not having sexual intercourse, as not having sex is the only way to prevent pregnancy. Better? No, I expect some rich people have abortions too, but if they are rich then they likely have less of them as they can afford the cost of kids.. But you evaded answering my question.. as far as your suggestion that people not have sex if they arent ready to be parents.. thats like saying if you dont want to get into a car accident then you shouldnt drive.. its pretty unrealistic..

lovmuffin -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 12:30:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic If it wasnt for the video, it would have been a legitimate shootin. "The cop was in fear for his life, he grabbed , "blah blah I'm not so sure about that. 5 bullets in his back, that cop would have had some spainin to do. His initial story really didn't make total sense. I mean if the guy was about to use the cops taser on him, why is he shot in the back and not at close range.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 1:11:19 AM)
Because he was actually running backwards to attack the cop but at the same time to give him the impression he was actually running away ?

Aylee -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 7:18:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Because he was actually running backwards to attack the cop but at the same time to give him the impression he was actually running away ? Well that makes everything alright then!! Whew. Disaster averted.

DesideriScuri -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 7:27:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 as a taxpayer, which would you prefer- to pay for an abortion or to pay for 18 or so years for the mother and child to be on social assistance, medical and all the other costs that go along with it? Only poor people have abortions? quote: and since you talk about consensual sex, where is the daddy's responsibility in all this? why is it that too many men dont want to use condoms but then run when.. opps.. she tells him the wonderful news.. women dont usually get preggers all on their own, after all.. You are absolutely correct that it takes two to tango, so to speak. Where is the father's responsibility? Uh, to help out the mother. Duh. Should the baby daddy help pay for the abortion? IMO, yes. Should the baby daddy help pay for all the necessary pre- and post- medical care? IMO, yes. So, for all you folks out there that are oblivious to what I think, any male and female duo who aren't ready to be parents should really consider not having sexual intercourse, as not having sex is the only way to prevent pregnancy. Better? No, I expect some rich people have abortions too, but if they are rich then they likely have less of them as they can afford the cost of kids.. But you evaded answering my question.. If a person can't handle bringing a child into the world and raising it, then that person should not be doing thing things that bring a child into the world. If you (none of the "you's" in this paragraph are specific to you, but are used in general) can't responsibly deal with the consequences of your actions, you shouldn't be taking those actions. I agree that one responsible way to deal with a pregnancy is to abort it, but if you can't pay for an abortion, you are relying on other people to pay for it, that's not quite as responsible of an option. And, since you are relying on others to pay for your abortion, why not rely on those people who are choosing to help you pay (people who donate to Planned Parenthood, etc.), and not those who are being forced to pay (taxpayers)? quote: as far as your suggestion that people not have sex if they arent ready to be parents.. thats like saying if you dont want to get into a car accident then you shouldnt drive.. its pretty unrealistic.. It's not unrealistic. People make the decision every single day that driving somewhere is more important than risking getting into an accident. What happens if those people get into an accident? They pay up. Maybe we should have "pregnancy insurance" for everyone who is sexually active? Once you're sterile, you no longer have to buy it because you no longer are a risk to get pregnant (female), or to get someone else pregnant (male). You can exchange insurance information before having sex with someone, just in case there is an unwanted pregnancy. Both insurances will be used to pay for pregnancy or termination of that pregnancy in cases where the sex was consensual. Part of non-consensual sex investigations will be collection of the aggressor's insurance information, so that only one insurance will be charged for the results of that intercourse. Obviously, there will be fines for those who have intercourse without proper insurance (if they're caught). Are you seriously attempting to tell me that it's not possible to go without having sex until you're ready to have kids?

accublond -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 7:31:19 AM)
Ya think?

Lucylastic -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 7:34:03 AM)
yes of course, never have sex, unless its to procreate, that goes for men too I take it? god love you just put the domestic violence, murders and beatings down to men not getting what they want when they want it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 8:02:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic yes of course, never have sex, unless its to procreate, that goes for men too I take it? god love you It takes two, Lucy. So, yes, that goes for men, too. And, there needs to be some way to hold men accountable for their part in a pregnancy. quote: just put the domestic violence, murders and beatings down to men not getting what they want when they want it. That has nothing to do with it, Lucy.

Aylee -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 8:18:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic yes of course, never have sex, unless its to procreate, that goes for men too I take it? god love you just put the domestic violence, murders and beatings down to men not getting what they want when they want it. Wow. I really was not trying to create a shit storm with my comments about dead beat dads. I was actually attempting to point out the unintended consequences and discussing whether imprisoning them was a good law. (It seems really similar to debtors' prison to me.) Mike asked what we should do about it instead and my answer was focused on keeping families intact and reducing out of wedlock pregnancy. I did not advocate any particular way of doing that. Really. Of course my best ideas on how to do this rely on technology and medical advances we just do not have yet. Dayum you Bujold for putting ideas in my head!

Lucylastic -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 8:29:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic yes of course, never have sex, unless its to procreate, that goes for men too I take it? god love you just put the domestic violence, murders and beatings down to men not getting what they want when they want it. Wow. I really was not trying to create a shit storm with my comments about dead beat dads. I was actually attempting to point out the unintended consequences and discussing whether imprisoning them was a good law. (It seems really similar to debtors' prison to me.) Mike asked what we should do about it instead and my answer was focused on keeping families intact and reducing out of wedlock pregnancy. I did not advocate any particular way of doing that. Really. Of course my best ideas on how to do this rely on technology and medical advances we just do not have yet. Dayum you Bujold for putting ideas in my head! honestly Aylee, my post has nothing to do with deadbeat dads. I dont think imprisoning them helps the kids or the situation... my post was purely on not having sex unless you are ready to procreate....and how when women deny sex, it puts women in more danger Im really sorry you thought it was against your post. it wasnt and isnt....

Lucylastic -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 8:31:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic yes of course, never have sex, unless its to procreate, that goes for men too I take it? god love you It takes two, Lucy. So, yes, that goes for men, too. And, there needs to be some way to hold men accountable for their part in a pregnancy. quote: just put the domestic violence, murders and beatings down to men not getting what they want when they want it. That has nothing to do with it, Lucy. it actually has a LOT to do with it but I wouldnt expect you to see it.... I have, worked with it, and lived it, oh of course, I should have mentioned rape, but yanno, that is par for the course.....

mnottertail -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 8:31:21 AM)
Wait, women were having sex when the police officer murdered this guy?

Lucylastic -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 8:33:14 AM)
dont ask me I said I wasnt gonna partake in the deflection from another murdering cop. But I can resist anything but temptation.

Aylee -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 9:18:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic yes of course, never have sex, unless its to procreate, that goes for men too I take it? god love you just put the domestic violence, murders and beatings down to men not getting what they want when they want it. Wow. I really was not trying to create a shit storm with my comments about dead beat dads. I was actually attempting to point out the unintended consequences and discussing whether imprisoning them was a good law. (It seems really similar to debtors' prison to me.) Mike asked what we should do about it instead and my answer was focused on keeping families intact and reducing out of wedlock pregnancy. I did not advocate any particular way of doing that. Really. Of course my best ideas on how to do this rely on technology and medical advances we just do not have yet. Dayum you Bujold for putting ideas in my head! honestly Aylee, my post has nothing to do with deadbeat dads. I dont think imprisoning them helps the kids or the situation... my post was purely on not having sex unless you are ready to procreate....and how when women deny sex, it puts women in more danger Im really sorry you thought it was against your post. it wasnt and isnt.... All the sex and abortion stuff started after Mike and I's exchange. I just wanted to make sure that people knew that it wasn't my intention. [:)]

Kirata -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 9:54:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic honestly Aylee, my post has nothing to do with deadbeat dads. I dont think imprisoning them helps the kids or the situation... my post was purely on not having sex unless you are ready to procreate....and how when women deny sex, it puts women in more danger Im really sorry you thought it was against your post. it wasnt and isnt.... How about unpacking that one. What are the premises behind that claim, and what data exists to support them? K.

igor2003 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 10:02:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Your own quote shows that your "headline" is a inaccurate. They can record the police, they just have to stay back when they do it. The recording of this shooting would have been unaffected by that law. You don't think this might be the first step onto a "slippery slope"? [:)] Any thoughts on the requirement that an armed person keep four times the distance of an unarmed observer? ETA: Fixed my math. #funwithchemobrain In a heated confrontation a cop looking up and seeing an armed person could lead to a unfortunate misunderstanding. Do you even know what the point of this law is? The current law says that people recording the police can't get it the way, but leaves how far back they have to say to the discretion of the cops. With this the distance is defined so that cops can't make them move as far away as they want to. It reduces the opportunity for the cops to abuse the law. If, as you say, in a heated confrontation a cop looks up and sees an armed person, then yes, it could lead to an unfortunate misunderstanding. Though, if the weapon is holstered, the "misunderstanding" would be on the part of the officer(s) involved. But the bill doesn't specify weapons in plain view. It specifies all handguns, even those that are concealed. And it does not include long guns. Not that any of that really matters too much. I do have to question, why is it that a person with a legally concealed weapon doesn't have the right to record a close proximity video (25 feet) the same as anyone else? Your explanation of "what if the officer looks up and sees a weapon" scenario doesn't hold up. Also, if you read the bill, it talks about how "Only representatives of radio or TV organizations that hold an FCC license, newspapers and magazines would have the right to record police." (According to the article linked to by dcnovice.) It seems to be contrary to private citizens having the right to film. In reading the bill myself it all seemed a little ambiguous. But let's say it is limited only to radio, tv, newspaper, and magazine employed reporters. How many of those are actually "on scene" from the very beginning? As a rule they would only get there in time to film or report the aftermath. How convenient would that be for the police? This would go back to Lucy's comment about how this would now appear to have been a "legitimate" shooting, having only the cop's say-so in the matter. So, do you even know what the point of the law is? It looks to me like it is less about keeping people back a certain distance, and more about keeping them from filming all together. If they want to keep them back a certain distance, then specify that distance. . .for EVERYONE. Period. Leave out any reference to established media personnel. Leave out references to everyone with a handgun. MAYBE specify those with handguns that open carry. What it says is, you can't RECORD if you have a handgun. It DOES NOT say that you have to stay back that distance if you are just standing there watching. . .while carrying a handgun. How is recording while carrying a handgun more dangerous than just standing watching while carrying a handgun?

kdsub -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 10:34:44 AM)
quote: that is 80% the normal population, and it does not differentiate between legitimate shootings and ones like this thread is about. It is all the shootings good and bad...and still safer around police than the general public... that is the point i was trying to make to tj who seems to think the police are just waiting to beat the crap out of everyone then fill poor innocents with bullet holes. I invite her to come to St Louis and take a walk around the North side day or night... I believe she may have a different take on the police. The 1,000,000 police kill around 400 a year enforcing the law and otherwise throughout the whole country ... while a few thousand citizens, poor abused by police innocents, on the North side of St. Louis kill 200+ men women and children all by themselves in a year...Where is the condemnation…where is the hands up demonstrations...where is the outrage... where are the demands for change? Butch

housebitch777 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/11/2015 10:35:13 AM)
wonder how long it will be before somebody decides local police are not suitable and they the military to police the streets.....and warrants and courts cant trusted so lets just decide based on whatever who is a criminal and take whatever we think is unfair from whomever for whatever reason.

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