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BamaD -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/12/2015 7:41:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR The Washington Post published this yesterday. I haven't had the energy/focus to delve into it, but thought others might be interested. Here are the lede and a link. Thousands dead, few prosecuted Among the thousands of fatal shootings at the hands of police since 2005, only 54 officers have been charged, a Post analysis found. Most were cleared or acquitted in the cases that have been resolved. On a rainy night five years ago, Officer Coleman “Duke” Brackney set off in pursuit of a suspected drunk driver, chasing his black Mazda Miata down rural Arkansas roads at speeds of nearly 100 miles per hour. When the sports car finally came to rest in a ditch, Brackney opened fire at the rear window and repeatedly struck the driver, 41-year-old James Ahern, in the back. The gunshots killed Ahern. Prosecutors charged Brackney with felony manslaughter. But he eventually entered a plea to a lesser charge and could ultimately be left with no criminal record. Now, he serves as the police chief in a small community 20 miles from the scene of the shooting. Brackney is among 54 officers charged over the past decade for fatally shooting someone while on duty, according to an analysis by The Washington Post and researchers at Bowling Green State University. This analysis, based on a wide range of public records and interviews with law enforcement, judicial and other legal experts, sought to identify for the first time every officer who faced charges for such shootings since 2005. These represent a small fraction of the thousands of fatal police shootings that have occurred across the country in that time. In an overwhelming majority of the cases where an officer was charged, the person killed was unarmed. But it usually took more than that. When prosecutors pressed charges, The Post analysis found, there were typically other factors that made the case exceptional, including: a victim shot in the back, a video recording of the incident, incriminating testimony from other officers or allegations of a coverup. <sidebar> How the analysis was done: The 54 criminal prosecutions were identified by Bowling Green State University criminologist Philip M. Stinson and The Washington Post. Cases were culled from news reports, grand jury announcements and news releases from prosecutors. For individual cases, reporters obtained and reviewed thousands of pages of court records, police reports, grand jury indictments, witness testimony and video recordings. Dozens of prosecutors and defense attorneys in the cases were interviewed, along with legal experts, officers who were prosecuted and surviving relatives of the shooting victims. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/04/11/thousands-dead-few-prosecuted/?hpid=z4 And this proves nothing. You are aware that police do deal with very dangerous people in situations that most of us would give almost anything to avoid. This is only even marginally valid if they provided a list of police that they think engaged in excessive violence.

dcnovice -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/12/2015 9:36:12 PM)
quote: And this proves nothing. You are aware that police do deal with very dangerous people in situations that most of us would give almost anything to avoid. This is only even marginally valid if they provided a list of police that they think engaged in excessive violence. Thanks for your feedback, Bama. I'll probably wait a bit before posting my thoughts on the Post piece, since there's a daunting amount of info to absorb. The print version fills several full pages, including two crammed with profiles of key figures. And the website may offer even more. ETA: The URL below leads to several info-graphics accompanying the article. The bottom one identifies which factors were present in each of the 54 cases the Post focused on. http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings/?hpid=z5

lovmuffin -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 2:19:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u My time is worth far too much ,to me,to waste talking to any of those assholes......or their infantile audiences [:)] Bad enough I waste my time taking to an idiot who thinks they can conflate the emotion of love with a symbolic AK-47. If ya don't want to talk to assholes then you certainly don't want to talk to yourself[8D] A wonderful example of school yard taunting,do you have anything on this cop or the late Mr.Scott ? Yer right about that, I shouldn't have responded to your school yard taunting. And it isn't my intention to conflate love with a symbolic AK-47. I just like AK-47's. Can'tcha just feel the love ?

bounty44 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 7:38:08 AM)
"Among the thousands of fatal shootings at the hands of police since 2005..." ive not peeked at the article, but im skeptical of that number. assuming the lowest number that could be described at "thousands" would be 2000, that amounts to 200 per year or one fatal shooting every 1.8 days. I only perused the article very lightly but I didn't see evidence of where that number "thousands" came from. and its a sort of red flag too that the authors of the times piece wouldn't say "3457" or "2846" or something more definitive. "thousands" is too vague.

Lucylastic -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:08:04 AM)
Police in South Carolina have fired their weapons at 209 suspects in the past five years, and a handful of officers have been accused of pulling the trigger illegally – but none has being convicted, according to an analysis by The State newspaper. In South Carolina, it remains exceedingly rare for an officer to be found at fault criminally for shooting at someone. In an unusual turnaround, prosecutors late last year filed a spate of charges for use of excessive force against three white officers in the shootings of black drivers. Only one went to trial but resulted in a hung jury.<snip> KEY FINDINGS The State newspaper examined five years’ worth of police records, from 2010 to 2014, compiled by the State Law Enforcement Division, then got more information by going directly to local police agencies that had numerous shootings. Key findings from SLED records 209: Number of times officers fired their weapons at suspects 3: Number of officers accused of misuse of force 0: Number of accused officers who were convicted 79: Number of suspects killed 4: Number of officers killed 42: Average annual number of incidents VIOLENT CRIME AND POLICE SHOOTING INCIDENTS The number of violent crimes across the state generally have held steady, according to SLED’s figures for 2010 through 2012, the most recent year for which SLED has statewide data. Richland County led the way, by far. The capital city area had 11,241 reported violent crimes, or an annual average of 3,747 crimes. Police shooting incidents, 2010-14, in Richland County: 27 Greenville County had 8,416 violent crimes reported, for an annual average of 2,805. Police shooting incidents, 2010-14, in Greenville County: 24 Charleston County had 5,818 violent crimes reported, for an annual average of 1,939. Police shooting incidents, 2010-14, in Charleston County: 17 Spartanburg County had 4,216 violent crimes reported, for an annual average of 1,405. Police shooting incidents, 2010-14, in Spartanburg County: 13 Anderson County had 3,437 violent crimes reported, for an annual average of 1,145. Police shooting incidents, 2010-14, in Anderson County: 15 Other Findings At least 101 African-American suspects and at least 67 white suspects were shot at. That pattern contradicts the national picture, which shows whites are shot more often, although South Carolina’s black population is larger than the national population: 28 percent, compared to 13 percent. However, the records are unclear about suspects’ racial identity in 36 S.C. cases. In the unlikely event that all 36 are white, the racial breakdown would be equal. Five of the suspects shot were Latino, Asian and Native American. Three of the top five counties where most shootings occurred during the five years examined are clustered along I-85 in the Upstate: Greenville (23); Anderson (15) and Spartanburg (13). Richland County and its cities had 27 shootings, the most of any S.C. county. SLED’s violent-crime figures show Richland County has substantially more violent crimes than any other county during a three-year period. (All county totals include shootings by municipal police departments within those counties.) The small Summerville Police Department near Charleston had no officer-involved shootings in 2011 through 2014. But an outbreak of four within five months in 2010 underscores the randomness of the violence. At least four suspects killed themselves as police closed in. Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article15654974.html#storylink=cpy In just one state.....

kdsub -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:12:06 AM)
The FBI has statistics on police actions resulting in death... they average about 400 a year... so from 2005 to now would be about 4000 I would think. To me it is disingenuous to say there have been few prosecution of police... maybe just maybe they were legitimate police actions. Take last year for instance... say there were the average 400 deaths... out of those there were say 10 that were questionable like New York, Ferguson and South Carolina. That would mean in reality only one or two would be wrong doing. Well then multiply that by 10years and your would come up with a more realistic number than the attention getting headline to sell papers that we are talking about. Butch

Lucylastic -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:16:24 AM)
TULSA, Okla. (AP) — A man can be heard apologizing and admitting to shooting a man in a video released at the weekend that documents the killing of a black suspect by a white reserve sheriff's deputy in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Police have said that the 73-year-old Tulsa County reserve deputy Robert Bates thought he was holding a stun gun, not his handgun, when he fired at 44-year-old Eric Harris in the April 2 incident. The video, shot by deputies with sunglass cameras and released over the weekend on the request of the victim's family, shows a deputy chase and tackle Harris, whom they said tried to sell an illegal gun to an undercover officer. A deputy is heard telling Harris, "I need you to roll on your stomach." A woman can be heard saying, "Stop fighting." As the deputy subdues Harris on the ground, a gunshot rings out and a man says: "Oh, I shot him. I'm sorry." Harris screams: "He shot me. Oh, my God," and a deputy replies: "You f---ing ran. Shut the f--- up." When Harris says he's losing his breath, a deputy replies, "F--- your breath." Harris was treated by medics at the scene and died in a Tulsa hospital. Tulsa County Sheriff's Office officials said Bates believed he was holding a Taser and intended to incapacitate Harris when the fatal shot was fired. An attorney for Harris' family, Dan Smolen, did not return a telephone call Sunday seeking comment. The family has not commented publicly since the video's release. Reserve deputies are generally volunteers, often with other full-time jobs. Bates is an insurance company executive assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force. The sheriff's office told the Tulsa World that it has more than 100 reserve deputies, who "have full powers and authority" of a deputy while on duty, and that it's not unusual for them to be on an assignment with units such as the Violent Crimes Task Force. Tulsa Police Sgt. Jim Clark, who investigated the shooting as an independent consultant at the request of the sheriff's office, concluded that Bates had been under the influence of a phenomenon known as "slips and capture," which occurs when a person's behavior "slips" off the intended course of action because it's "captured" by a stronger response. Results of the investigation have been turned over to prosecutors, who will decide whether to file criminal charges. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/13/robert-bates-eric-harris-slips-and-capture_n_7054344.html?utm_hp_ref=crime

kdsub -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:31:29 AM)
Lucy...as with many of these cases the incidents only happen because of the actions of the alleged criminal. Your example may be a prosecutable case I don't know but it would most likely be poor training on the officers part. I am all for better training requirements and deadly force regulations. But I am very much against railroading police officers that make mistakes in stressful situations. The subject has moved from the actions of the officer in this thread, which are clearly wrong, to condemning police in general and I do not believe statistics show this...despite attention getting headlines that are irresponsible in my opinion...and bias. Butch

Lucylastic -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:37:13 AM)
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bounty44 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:37:28 AM)
there's a distinction between fatal interactions (from all causes) and fatal shootings (which I take to mean just firearms) though the distinction might be negligible. i'll do some looking later for the fbi statistics, though maybe by then someone else could find them too.

kdsub -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:46:00 AM)
There is a story out of Arizona about a Christian musical group living out of their van that were being questioned about attacking an employee of Wal-Mart…When police tried to question them they attacked the police and before the fight was over one of them was shot dead by police…a police officer shot in the leg and another member of the group seriously injured over a fight for the officers gun.. The group was unarmed. This was no different than the Ferguson incident when the black boy attacked a police officer and tried to get his gun and was killed. Both Brown in Ferguson and the Group in Arizona were wrong and deserved what happened to them… but the group in Arizona was white so you don’t see the sensational headlines… Imagine if that group was black… I do blame the media for instigating a lot of the racial unrest in this country. At least there has been some needed changes and it is a shame it took tragedies to bring these about…but to blame the police and not society in general is wrong…at least to me. Butch

kdsub -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:47:03 AM)
They were all killings for all reasons... not just firearms I believe. These numbers are incomplete and very low but all we have anyway. Butch

dcnovice -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:48:16 AM)
FR Possible resource: http://masscopblock.org/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by-the-police/

kdsub -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 8:58:39 AM)
DC that pretty well matches the 400... but i believe these to be very low... I think many more have been killed... but being killed does mean the vast majority were not justified... Because these numbers are large is NOT a reason to condemn police... but it is a reason to condemn our society. Butch

tj444 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 9:59:46 AM)
FR and yet another one.. Notably absent from officials’ original account, however, was the fact that the suspect — a 44-year-old unarmed black man named Eric Harris — died of his wounds shortly thereafter and that the man who shot him — a 73-year-old white reserve deputy named Robert Bates — claims he never even intended to pull out his gun in the first place. What did he intend to do? Two days after the April 2 shooting, Bates told the Tulsa World that he thought he was holding a Taser the moment he discharged his weapon. “I shot him!” he can be heard saying in video footage of the incident released Friday, nine days after the shooting. “I’m sorry.” Moments later, the video reveals, Harris realizes he’s been shot. “He shot me! He shot me, man. Oh, my god. I’m losing my breath,” a panicked Harris yells as an officer places his knee on the bleeding man’s head. “F— your breath,” a callous officer can be heard saying. “Shut the f— up!” Instead of tending to the gunshot wound, a second deputy yells at Harris. “You shouldn’t have f—–g ran!” the man screams. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/12/oklahoma-deputy-who-killed-unarmed-man-thought-he-was-firing-taser-authorities-say/

kdsub -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 10:06:19 AM)
That's the same one Lucy posted... just read the report carefully and see what brought the incident on. Butch

ExiledTyrant -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 10:07:30 AM)
http://news.yahoo.com/video-released-showing-killing-black-oklahoma-suspect-202659435.html

tj444 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 10:15:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If a person can't handle bringing a child into the world and raising it, then that person should not be doing thing things that bring a child into the world. If you (none of the "you's" in this paragraph are specific to you, but are used in general) can't responsibly deal with the consequences of your actions, you shouldn't be taking those actions. I agree that one responsible way to deal with a pregnancy is to abort it, but if you can't pay for an abortion, you are relying on other people to pay for it, that's not quite as responsible of an option. And, since you are relying on others to pay for your abortion, why not rely on those people who are choosing to help you pay (people who donate to Planned Parenthood, etc.), and not those who are being forced to pay (taxpayers)? dude.. if you don't think you should, as a taxpayer, pay for abortions, then why should I as a taxpayer pay for smokers that get lung cancer.. or for an overweight/obese person's diabetes meds when adhering to a healthy diet & exercise program could have avoided him from getting diabetes in the first place.. or for a cyclist that rides like a moron and gets hit.. there are tons of things I don't want to pay for that are avoidable but until you can get the overweight to all stop eating crap and sitting on their duff and smokers to stop smoking and cyclists to stop riding, your argument totally fails.. I also doubt very much if you have lived your entire life perfectly..

tweakabelle -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 10:23:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri If a person can't handle bringing a child into the world and raising it, then that person should not be doing thing things that bring a child into the world. If you (none of the "you's" in this paragraph are specific to you, but are used in general) can't responsibly deal with the consequences of your actions, you shouldn't be taking those actions. I agree that one responsible way to deal with a pregnancy is to abort it, but if you can't pay for an abortion, you are relying on other people to pay for it, that's not quite as responsible of an option. And, since you are relying on others to pay for your abortion, why not rely on those people who are choosing to help you pay (people who donate to Planned Parenthood, etc.), and not those who are being forced to pay (taxpayers)? dude.. if you don't think you should, as a taxpayer, pay for abortions, then why should I as a taxpayer pay for smokers that get lung cancer.. or for an overweight/obese person's diabetes meds when adhering to a healthy diet & exercise program could have avoided him from getting diabetes in the first place.. or for a cyclist that rides like a moron and gets hit.. there are tons of things I don't want to pay for that are avoidable but until you can get the overweight to all stop eating crap and sitting on their duff and smokers to stop smoking and cyclists to stop riding, your argument totally fails.. I also doubt very much if you have lived your entire life perfectly.. If DS's objection reduces to a financial one, then he might like to consider that the cost to the taxpayer of an unaborted unwanted foetus might exceed the cost of an abortion in the long run. I personally don't think this is a very good argument to advance as a general proposition, but if one's objection to federally funded abortions is entirely a financial one, then this aspect must also be considered.

tj444 -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/13/2015 10:26:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That's the same one Lucy posted... just read the report carefully and see what brought the incident on. Butch the guy was already on the ground and being held by several officers.. no reason to shoot him dead.. what brought the incident on was a senile 73 year old cop that (apparently) couldn't tell the difference between a gun and a taser.. and even if he had used the taser instead, with other cops physically on top of the now dead guy, wouldn't he have tased them all? how was that a good idea?

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