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Lucylastic -> RE: It Looks Like This Police Officer Fucked Up (4/14/2015 6:39:44 AM)
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kinda back to the topic, but with the other cop who just shot a guy, because he thought it was his taser in response to this...
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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Lucy...as with many of these cases the incidents only happen because of the actions of the alleged criminal. Your example may be a prosecutable case I don't know but it would most likely be poor training on the officers part. I am all for better training requirements and deadly force regulations. But I am very much against railroading police officers that make mistakes in stressful situations.
The subject has moved from the actions of the officer in this thread, which are clearly wrong, to condemning police in general and I do not believe statistics show this...despite attention getting headlines that are irresponsible in my opinion...and bias.
Butch
I have NOT and will not plaster all cops with the same brush,all blacks, all whites, all asians, all jews, all christans, all muslims and oh fuck even all doms or all dommes.
Not even dems, liberals, repubs, cons, libertarians...so dont pull that bs on me.
This particular guy you are talking about HAS been charged with manslaughter,
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Prosecutors charged a reserve sheriff's deputy with manslaughter Monday in the death of a man who was fatally shot as he lay on the ground at the officer's feet — a shooting that was certain to raise questions about the use of volunteer officers to supplement full-time police.
The sheriff's office has said Robert Bates, a 73-year-old insurance executive who was volunteering on an undercover operation in Tulsa, mistakenly pulled out his handgun instead of his stun gun and shot the suspect as he struggled with deputies.
Bates, who is white, was charged with second-degree manslaughter involving "culpable negligence" for the April 2 death of Eric Harris, a 44-year-old black man. If convicted, he could face up to four years in prison.
It was the latest fatal shooting by a police officer to draw national attention after months of investigations and protests of other deaths in Ferguson, Missouri, New York City, Los Angeles and other elsewhere.
UPDATE: Raw Story reports that Bates is a pay-to-play cop:
Bates is part of a group of wealthy donors who make large contributions to the department for the privilege of playing police officer.
According to Tulsa World, Bates, who made the fatal mistake that cost a man his life, is a local insurance company executive who has donated multiple vehicles, weapons, and stun guns to the Sheriff’s Office since becoming a reserve deputy in 2008.
A video of the incident shot by a deputy with a sunglass camera and released Friday at the request of the victim's family, shows a deputy chase and tackle Harris, whom they said tried to sell an illegal gun to an undercover officer.
As the deputy subdues Harris on the ground, a gunshot rings out and a man says: "Oh, I shot him. I'm sorry."
Harris screams: "He shot me. Oh, my God," and a deputy replies: "You f---ing ran. Shut the f--- up."
When Harris says he's losing his breath, a deputy replies, "F--- your breath."
Harris was treated by medics at the scene and died in a Tulsa hospital.
The family said in a statement that it was "saddened, shocked, confused and disturbed."
"Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of all of this is the inhumane and malicious treatment of Eric after he was shot," the family wrote. "These deputies treated Eric as less than human. They treated Eric as if his life had no value."
At a news conference on Monday, Andre Harris, the victim's brother, said he does not believe the shooting was racially motivated.
Oklahoma law defines culpable negligence as "the omission to do something which a reasonably careful person would do, or the lack of the usual ordinary care and caution in the performance of an act usually and ordinarily exercised by a person under similar circumstances and conditions," Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler said in a statement.
A telephone message left Monday with Bates' attorney, Scott Woods, was not immediately returned.
Tulsa Police Sgt. Jim Clark, who investigated the shooting as an independent consultant at the request of the sheriff's office, concluded that Bates had been so engrossed in the stress of the moment that he did not think clearly about what he had in his hand.
The use of reserve officers is commonplace across Oklahoma and much of the nation. Cities and counties often turn to them for extra manpower because of a lack of resources and tight budgets. They are sometimes used to free up regular officers to concentrate on high-priority duties.
Reserve deputies are permitted to carry firearms but have far less training than regular officers.
About 4,000 reserve officers are active in Oklahoma, according to the Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training. Most are unpaid and volunteer simply out of a sense of civic duty, said council Director Steve Emmons.
While there's no current official tally, an article in the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin in 2006 estimated the national total of reserve officers at 400,000.
In Oklahoma, reservists are required to complete 240 hours of basic training on subjects like civil and criminal law, traffic enforcement, investigations, firearms and defensive tactics. That is a fraction of the training required of regular officers, who must undergo 640 hours.
There is no age requirement for reserve officers, but they all must annually recertify with a minimum score on a firearms-training course.
"A lot of agencies, especially the smaller agencies in the state, have only one full-time officer on their staff," Emmons said.
Tulsa County, the state's second largest, has about 130 reservists who receive a minimum of 320 hours of training.
Bates, who was briefly a full-time officer with the Tulsa Police Department from 1964 to 1965, is now an insurance executive who updates his certification every year and has completed more than the state-required hours, said Tulsa County sheriff's spokesman Shannon Clark.
Bates was acting in a support role during the April 2 sting operation and does not typically confront suspects, Clark said.
Tulsa County Sheriff Stanley Glanz has described Bates as a personal friend, and records show he has been a generous donor to the department since he became a reserve deputy in 2008.
Besides a $2,500 donation to Glanz's re-election campaign in 2012, records released on Monday by the sheriff's office show Bates donated five vehicles, including a new Dodge Charger, a computer and forensic camera and a hand-held radio to the department from 2009 to 2011.
The Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union called Monday for an end to the use of reserve officers for significant police work.
"There are lots of legitimate functions for those reserve officers, like helping out in national disasters or putting up sandbags during flooding," said the chapter's executive director, Ryan Kiesel. "But under no circumstances should we be arming people who essentially want to play a grown-up version of police officer with deadly consequences."
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