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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 11:04:06 AM   
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I was not referring to you.



OHHHHHHH.... kindly disregard post 199... my account was... um... hacked by Nigerian scammers... yep, yep... all lies and false propaganda.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 11:07:06 AM   
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Better Nigerian scammers than listening to arrogant, clueless, long winded posters rant about how they know women so well.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 11:07:50 AM   
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10 pages.

Why you people (you know who you are) keep trying to change the mind of another poster is beyond me.


For me, it's less about changing people's minds on the threads themselves, and more about posting for those who read the threads who may not have made up their minds.

I research the same way. I read ALL sides.

Oh, and I think it's fun! *grins*

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I find women hating threads a bore.


So don't spend time on them. Seems easy enough. Oh, and this really wasn't a women hating thread, from my POV. It was a discourse. Some women haters just showed up to the party.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 11:13:00 AM   
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The initial topic was interesting, until it devolved into women bashing.

I enjoy debate myself, but only with worthwhile debaters.


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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 11:26:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Better Nigerian scammers than listening to arrogant, clueless, long winded posters rant about how they know women so well.


I'm just not very flexible.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 11:28:05 AM   
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The initial topic was interesting, until it devolved into women bashing.

I enjoy debate myself, but only with worthwhile debaters.


Well, if you debate for you, that makes sense.

I debate for whoever might be reading, and wondering what WIITWD is all about, and because it's fun to think around others, regardless of their flexibility of opinion... at least for a time.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 11:47:47 AM   
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I enjoy debate myself




Agreed .... Especially when there are lots of people involved. I find mass debating jolly invigorating.




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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 1:19:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant
OHHHHHHH.... kindly disregard post 199... my account was... um... hacked by Nigerian scammers... yep, yep... all lies and false propaganda.


How dare you call it a scam, that's very judgmental! Really it's kinky people practicing their Nigerian prince fetish.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 1:45:38 PM   
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Findom is not a fetish it is a fantasy with multiple layers of fetishes.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 2:07:34 PM   
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This is a fast reply. Not sure if someone chimed in with similar.

I have met men who are humiliation fetishists with a very specific angle related to money - being exploited, feeling "used," being an "aside" almost to a beautiful and unobtainable girl who spends his money on fashion and makeup and then dates other guys -- a blend of cuckoldism, humiliation, exploitation.

The money side of it is definitely key. In some cases it can even link back to fantasy, fetish development at a young age where an adolescent may romanticize, then fetishize, thoughts of inadequacy despite spending money on someone. Being used. Sort of like eroticizing being friendzoned.

Is there a female sadist version of this? Sexually, I don't think so, but I don't know. But I know some women really eroticize exploitation, humiliation, control. The verbal humiliation "session" of a male sub being verbally undressed as his wallet is opened up in a mall and she empties it to buy her shoes or purses etc. -- I won't deny she may have some wet panties going on there and he has a huge erection over this, and then they both play out the "Scene" again and again in fantasy later. It's humiliation. Oh, and as an aside, she gets some shoes.

The "princess" dynamic - the cruel, beautiful young lass who treats a guy like crap, makes him spend money on her, then kicks him to the curb and goes off with the football start from college -- that's an erotic fantasy type embraced by the same type of men that enjoy cuckolding. It's a humiliation fetish. It's the fetish of being used for his money.

The problem is that there are not THAT many sub men into this compared to the many women (and men pretending to be women) who seek to exploit it. Of course. They think it is easy money.

Any femdom who has dealt with men who have financial exploitation fetishes tied into their humiliation fetishes know these men are typically complicated, very intelligent, extremely aware of what is going on and what is being spent, and that they are not foolishly wasting their money - if their fetish is tied into financial exploitation they know what they are doing and how they want to be used. Down. To. The. PENNY. Think about it: Don't we all know our fetishes INSIDE and OUT? Like....we LIVE in that angst/lust/desire and know how much, how we like it, what is best, and what is settling. We don't "kind of have a fetish" that is serious -- we spend great deals of time in fantasy with our fetish, and we know what we want.

These men are no different.

When I used to do phone domination fairly regularly I stopped doing fantasy calls with men who "wanted" to be "forced" to buy me shoes, or whatever - the phone version is -- he has to call from the store and then I tell him what I want him to buy exactly and humiliate him as he does it, etc. etc. It's way too much damned work because trust me, he knows what he wants to be "forced" to buy, and in the time and drama it took to cultivate this scenario I could be making fast food at minimum wage and buy my own damned shoes. With a personal connection, sure, in person, that could be "amusing" but for net gain - hell no. I applaud financial femdoms who know how to get through the complicated fetish, make it work, manage it, etc.

Because, better believe it, once the shopping is done and the orgasm happens, the guy can't be bothered to even pack up the shoes. Boner gone? Fetish gone. Just like many other fetishes. It's the illusion and fantasy. Having to pack them up and mail them at that point is a hassle.

That guy never sent ANY of the stuff he "bought" in our sessions. He may have made it all up. His fetish was feeling exploited. Meh. I can do that in person but with financial stuff it's just too complicated.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 2:18:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
10 pages.

Why you people (you know who you are) keep trying to change the mind of another poster is beyond me.

I find women hating threads a bore.

Well... I'm incurably stupid... and surprisingly self aware.

If that's the case, then I'm in good company. Our stupid beats delusional pompous windbag any day of the week. (Not you, RS! You seem pretty cool. For a sadist, that is.)

sexyred, I think we all know it's a lost cause. Someone else's ignorance might be reversed, though. You can always hope, in any event.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 10:41:33 PM   
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There are also vastly more female submissives than there are male Doms.
That is the nature of dominance. It is rarer in real life and online than submission. More people want to follow than lead.
That's nice dear, but it has zero to do with my contention. Which is that Dommes don't have to work for it because there's an abundance of willing submissives around and consequently there's nothing to work for.


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And frankly, the typical FemDomme "it's all about me" attitude is only going to develop in the absence of scarcity.

There are plenty of male dominants with this same attitude, actually.
And those dominants are thoroughly mocked by every women around and several of the usual male suspects who spend most of their time trying to curry favour with women by pathetically agreeing with their every viewpoint.

In contrast, the self-focused FemDomme attitude is de rigeur. Not only is it accepted as normal, it's approved of. We don't see anyone mocking FemDommes for carrying the very same insanely self-worshipping attitude which Doms are castigated for. In fact, it's the weak pseudoDoms who often try and play woman-pleaser by posting mocking parodies of those same, self-important Doms.

When was the last time someone parodied the insane self-worship of the female dominant?

Is a bit of light beginning to dawn?

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Then, you don't read thoroughly. I speak regularly about earning the worship I receive.
A) The very notion of considering your interaction with a sub to be 'worship' is an example of monumental hubris just begging to be mocked.

B) No, I don't obsessively read your posts. For obvious reasons.

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Reads to me like you are suffering from confirmation bias.
Ironically, I think you're seeing what you want to see.



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Again, you are speaking from YOUR experience.

I was Using hyperbole to make a point.

It seems to me that you have decided that your view of the world is the RIGHT one, and everyone else is wrong.

I suppose that's cool for you.
Not quite. I speak from my own model of the world - a combination of knowledge, experience and synthesis. Do I believe my model is a good one? Of course. Do I believe it's the best model? No. However I'd play the odds against a number of people in this space. Self-awareness is a rare quality here.


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Then it's on you to be more clear.
To a certain extent that's true. The meaning of a communication is the response you get - however I can't really do much about people who are inclined toward being deliberately obtuse.

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Ah. So financial domination, to you, is not wrong, just those who call themselves financial dominants. Got it.
No. That's a misrepresentation of what I said. Someone who assumes responsibility for someone's welfare - including financial welfare - is vastly different to a FinDomme whose sole motivation is sucking the pay pig dry.

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You're weird.
Even if I believed you had an uncommon level of perception, that's unlikely to concern me.


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So you're saying people never invest time or money in something which is never going to give them a return.

I presume then, you think it's perfectly okay for corrupt investment advisors to prey on old people and suck them dry of funds. After all, people just do what has value to them, right?
I notice you skipped straight over this question.

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I'm beginning to wonder if you have led an incredibly sheltered life.
That's nice dear. What else do you wonder about me? Do I occupy your thoughts often? Are you beginning to obsess?


Nope. Just here in this thread, by your words. Nothing more.

Interesting that you would even go there. Says more about you than me, I think.
Oh really? What does it say about me, then?

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You couldn't be more wrong. Women give away money SOOOOO much. LOL! It's mind boggling you don't know this. They just do it under different guises. Same thing, though, buying something they are afraid (or know) they can't get without the payment.
Yeah, women do so badly in the courts not to mention the courtship itself and then combined with all of those other social occasions where there's social expectations of women showering men with stuff.....

Oh, wait. There's none of that. That shit doesn't happen at all. So what on earth are you talking about?


Yeah, you really don't get it. Sad.

Try researching "sweetheart scams," "romantic fraud," "women scammed," etc. Or, look for women whose men have stopped working, and live off of them, and the women keep on paying, because they don't want to lose the love.

It happens. A lot.
Google "marriage" and "divorce settlement" and then tell me how much women are being scammed. Honestly, this position of yours is so classically self-serving. People of both genders are catfished all the time and the sweetheart scams you're talking about are the female equivalent of FinDommes sucking the pay pig dry.

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Every social site is a target for grifters. FetLife is not more so. In fact, I would guess it's less so than most.
Yes and failing to dissuade them or otherwise raise the opportunity cost doesn't help the community in any way. That's pretty much the point. You have a supposedly community-focused site which has opened the door to every online scammer who wishes to exploit them. That's a radical difference between ostensible motives and actual behaviour.

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LOL! You know you are losing your cool when you resort to slurs.
What slurs? You're talking rubbish again.

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If more people were taught to take responsibility for their own selves, instead of relying on a nanny state to protect them, this would be less of an issue.
That you actually think education is the issue speaks about your rather shallow understanding of humanity. There's no point in discussing this further with you - you're just not going to get it.

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You don't have to put stock in it. You are obviously very content in your own little world.
Make up your mind. First you claim I'm bitter, now you claim I'm content. Which is it?

Frankly, you seem confused.

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That was my point. You had covered me. I was being inclusive, not trying to turn the tables.
Go through your own posts and count the number of times you talk about "humanity" versus the number of times you talk about "men".

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Try those searches I mentioned before. Seems fairly obvious to me. And I didn't feel like you'd have forgotten that I'd already mentioned my points about male manipulation and women handing over money earlier.
So basically you don't have any justification for your ad hominem, you just seem to think it's somehow convincing. Perhaps to the ungifted it is. I just think it's an indictment of your ability to reason and construct an argument.

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I'll now try to remember that despite your apparent intelligence, you don't hold information that doesn't suite you for longer than it takes to respond.
Well you can try and remember that, but since you called me content a few paragraphs after calling me bitter, I'm beginning to think you don't hold information that doesn't suit you for longer than it takes to respond.

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No, because then the banner would say, "do not send money to FinDommes."
Oh yeah - because getting around that by coming up with an alternative name would never occur to anyone.

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This is what I find incredibly flawed about all your arguments. You are making it about predatory women and helpless men, when it's really about humans. Period.
No, I'm saying FinDommes fall into the same category as any other scammer, male or female. And yet, there's an unreasonable level of defense for them despite the constant scamming going on.

Apparently you're outraged by sweetheart scams but guys who get scammed by FindDommes are just men - and who cares what happens to them, right? After all, they're men and therefore they deserve it.

That's the issue. Your position is inherently founded in misandry.

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Well, I don't believe people should lie, either. However, most of the FinDommes I see are pretty up-front about it. So, what's wrong with people knowing what they are getting into?
And how many of them do you really think, actually know what they're getting into?

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Again, casting all as bad. You don't know what goes on int hose relationships. It's not your call to make.
A scam is not a relationship - let's not pretend otherwise.

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The point of leadership is that not everyone can lead. It doesn't work that way. There are always more followers than leaders, of both sexes.
It's not about who leads. It's about people being the best they can be, having a life based on choice - not settling for an illusion held out in front of them by a greedy exploitative scammer.


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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 10:56:32 PM   
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Interesting that you spend so much time dissecting NookieNotes every word.

I think you have a crush on her, sweet.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/20/2015 10:57:39 PM   
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Interesting that you obsessively comment on everything I post, despite me almost never responding to you.

I think I know who's got the crush going on here.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/21/2015 12:08:46 AM   
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I hear ya Red, some people are just close minded and can't be debated with or reasoned with. The conversation might have been a good one until the bashing came in; which I will say seems to be Awareness topic every...fucking...post.
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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/21/2015 12:46:46 AM   
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Good post AAkasha

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/21/2015 4:18:21 AM   
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@AAkasha Lovely post. Thank you.

@Awareness, you are not discussing facts. You are discussing your opinions, regardless of how facts fit. I've made my points. You have the last word, it's gotten tedious for me.

@sexyred1 ROFL! *winks*




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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/21/2015 6:17:29 AM   
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Interesting that you spend so much time dissecting NookieNotes every word.

I think you have a crush on her, sweet.

NookieNotes spends as much time dissecting Awareness's posts as he does hers. See thread for proof. And you follow Awareness from thread to thread to fling thinly veiled (at best) insults at him. Awareness is wise to avoid responding to your barbs because if he came at you at 1/4 the level you come at him, he'd be banned lightening fast. I have long wondered why you get away with personal attacks on posters here. I can guess.

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/21/2015 7:07:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2
NookieNotes spends as much time dissecting Awareness's posts as he does hers. See thread for proof.


I dissect everyone's posts, to be fair. That's how I discuss online, to keep what I am replying to clear, and each point separate. And in the best cases it is mutual.

It's still funny what she said, though... for many, many reasons.

*smiles*

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RE: -=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soa... - 4/21/2015 11:43:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Interesting that you obsessively comment on everything I post, despite me almost never responding to you.

I think I know who's got the crush going on here.


Dude, I haven't been posting much lately, but do check into the boards.

I would rather die tonight at the thought of me or anyone else really, having a crush on you.

Now Nookie, SHE is way more crushable and not nearly as annoying as you.

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