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HunterCA -> RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration (5/12/2015 9:55:11 AM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Plus, birthright citizenship was not intended to include babies born in the US of non-US Citizen parents.
There is a great many things the founding fathers did not think on clearly back in the 18th century. However, they did believe that future generations of Americans would know how best to handle future problems. That the Constitution was not to be set in stone, but serve as a living document. One that is updated and changed as future generations wanted/needed. An that has happened (i.e. the seventeen amendments added).
In this case, its for the nation of the current year, to decide on how we deal with this issue going forward. This nation can not decide on a half decent immigration law. Its basically caught up between two large groups of ideas with several minor ones close/attached to one of the bigger groups. Unless this nation compromises, it'll never get fixed. The problems we have now will simply get replicated each year going forward.
And Joe, I know, as you've stated, you believe you think much better than anyone else. But, please provide me links to,all these many things the founding fathers didn't think clearly about. I'm a little skeptical of your claim.
The purpose of quoting something with a link is when it would be knowledge coming from a specific place. When the information is freely available and written about in hundreds if not thousands of publications, it becomes irrelevant.
But for the sake of the argument, allow an example:
The AK-47, (notice the link?) is what some would call 'the most common rifle' in the United States of America by private ownership. We could argue this all day; but for the sake of the example, let's assume its 'the most common rifle in the United States' by private ownership.
Imagine if we both were to travel back in time and show this beauty off to the founding fathers. Dropping magazine after magazine worth of ammunition at targets (notice the plural of the word 'target' here) 200-300 yards away. With single shot, semi-auto and full auto fire. Hell, we might get the barrel to catch on fire! An tell them without looking over our shoulder this is the most common rifle in the country they would be creating.
Imagine turning around after that and looking at them. I think 'shock' would be the best word to discribe their reaction. This is during a time when the best military rifle fired one round of ammunition every thirty seconds (twenty if really trained). That it was accurate to about 100-150 feet. An its penetration power was somewhat limited.
Imagine if the Minute Men of Lexington through Concord were armed with these rifles? The entire British Army that day would have been annihilated to the last man! An it would have only taken about twenty individuals to do just that.
What do you think these founding fathers would say, that we allow 'just about anyone to have them' (except for the criminals if we handle it). 'Shock' would be their state of mind. A metaphor here would be showing artillery of their day to the awesome and destructive firepower of a 100 megaton nuclear warhead!
Would they have been as free with firearms under the 2nd? After both of those demonstrations of arms?
In all honesty....hard to say. We could make arguments 'for' and 'against' if we wanted (on perhaps another thread).
Which is why the founding fathers believed (there are writtens of it in many places) that future generations of Americans would know better than them, how to handle a wide and vast array of questions. They knew the Constitution should not be held in stone. Which is why there are seventeen amendments the come after the original ten (i.e. the Bill of Rights).
Can we get back to DS's original thought, now?
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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
And Joe, I know, as you've stated, you believe you think much better than anyone else.
I've never really stated it in serious means on here. Personally I would view that as very arrogant and selfish. Two 'virtues' that are all to common with conservatives. I do not have to state it; It comes by way of example. That most on here have told me as much each time one of you try to 'attack' me on something. One day I took all your asses on at once, and beat down everyone! As one person stated it rather interestingly (and I quote): "They are like a quadriplegic dancer to your Micheal Jackson".
More bloviating.
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