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So saying that white men are most likely to vote a certain way is descrimination? Wow, yeah that's really discriminating. And any other statistic that looks at race and voting habits is also discriminatory? Even if it's true? Cmon man, you can't be this narrow minded on the subject of racism.

What's a stereotype, TK? A stereotype, in and of itself, is racist (provided the stereotype is based on race). You identified the comment as a stereotype, didn't you? Oh... well... you see...
Yup. I do see. Apparently, you don't.

Lol, you're a dense one DS, it isn't racist...if it's true, right?

You've reached yet another level of hypocrisy.

Do you know what a stereotype is?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Tkman,

I know this went over your head a couple pages ago. The discussion was not about stereotyping voters, which is the dead horse you keep beating. It was about cloudboys little leftist rant that his people will prevail. But, hey, keep beating the dead horse and showing tone deafness.

Here you go.

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/race.html

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
Tkman,

I know this went over your head a couple pages ago. The discussion was not about stereotyping voters, which is the dead horse you keep beating. It was about cloudboys little leftist rant that his people will prevail. But, hey, keep beating the dead horse and showing tone deafness.

Here you go.

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/race.html

Love how you say that to me and not DS, hmm, could there be some kinda bias involved in your decision to reply to me?

Oh the left will prevail, your own party barely has a leg to stand on, so I'll very much enjoy the next american election as your party gets crushed under it's own stupidity.

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
Sure do, but some stereotypes are right, some are wrong. The fact that older white men tend to vote conservative isn't wrong, and is in this case a correct stereotype. I personally dislike stereotypes but I don't deny them when they're proven correct. It's also a stereotype that black people are more likely to be arrested. Is it true? Statistically yes. Do I dislike the stereotype? Sure, but I dont deny it's truth because I don't like it. Now if the reason was BECAUSE they were black, then yes that's racist, but it's also a matter of opinion and isn't included in the statistic. The statistics show that older white men tend to vote conservative. Is it because they're white? No, of course not, there are a lot of factors that play into it, such as their upbringing and personal history. Older white men have a tendency to be more religious, be more dominant towards women, anti-gay, among other qualities. This isn't because they're white, after all, correlation does not equal causation. To assume that their voting habits is caused by their skin colour is racist, to point out the correlation between voting habits and race isn't.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
So saying that white men are most likely to vote a certain way is descrimination? Wow, yeah that's really discriminating. And any other statistic that looks at race and voting habits is also discriminatory? Even if it's true? Cmon man, you can't be this narrow minded on the subject of racism.

What's a stereotype, TK? A stereotype, in and of itself, is racist (provided the stereotype is based on race). You identified the comment as a stereotype, didn't you? Oh... well... you see...
Yup. I do see. Apparently, you don't.

Lol, you're a dense one DS, it isn't racist...if it's true, right?

You've reached yet another level of hypocrisy.
Do you know what a stereotype is?

A stereotype is only racists if you make it racists. All police officers eat donuts. That is a stereotype. All dentist have perfect, health teeth. Politicians all lie. There, three stereotypes. Any of them racists? Now an author of language could directly or indirectly make something racists. Or the writing was originally racist but someone else, or through the passage of time, make it racists.

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Sure do, but some stereotypes are right, some are wrong. The fact that older white men tend to vote conservative isn't wrong, and is in this case a correct stereotype. I personally dislike stereotypes but I don't deny them when they're proven correct. It's also a stereotype that black people are more likely to be arrested. Is it true? Statistically yes. Do I dislike the stereotype? Sure, but I dont deny it's truth because I don't like it. Now if the reason was BECAUSE they were black, then yes that's racist, but it's also a matter of opinion and isn't included in the statistic. The statistics show that older white men tend to vote conservative. Is it because they're white? No, of course not, there are a lot of factors that play into it, such as their upbringing and personal history. Older white men have a tendency to be more religious, be more dominant towards women, anti-gay, among other qualities. This isn't because they're white, after all, correlation does not equal causation. To assume that their voting habits is caused by their skin colour is racist, to point out the correlation between voting habits and race isn't.

Sorry, but you actually don't know what a stereotype is. I suggest you look it up and think about it. You've already pronounced the statement as a stereotype. Since it was based on race, you've claimed it's both racist and not racist.

Before you make yourself look even more foolish by talking about stereotypes, please look up the definition.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
Tkman,

I know this went over your head a couple pages ago. The discussion was not about stereotyping voters, which is the dead horse you keep beating. It was about cloudboys little leftist rant that his people will prevail. But, hey, keep beating the dead horse and showing tone deafness.

Here you go.

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/race.html

Love how you say that to me and not DS, hmm, could there be some kinda bias involved in your decision to reply to me?

Oh the left will prevail, your own party barely has a leg to stand on, so I'll very much enjoy the next american election as your party gets crushed under it's own stupidity.

Well TKman, conservatives do not hold other conservatives to the same level of accountability and responsibility as they slam liberals. Recall that Republican Congress that did nothing as a Republican US President got 3,200 US Soldiers killed, 32,500 permanently wounded, and cost $4 trillion in borrowed money to accuse a nation without evidence of wrong doing by lying to Congress and the public about it. Yet, that Same Republican Congress went after a Democratic US President for lying about having an affair with a young, semi-beautiful Jewish intern. Can you say 'hypocrisy'?

Cloudboy is absolutely correct. If conservatives were smart, they would be plotting for 2024, not 2016. But conservatives these days are not known for many good qualities. One of them is 'long term planning'. Which is actually how government runs at peak efficiency.

The current Republican Congress is in its 5th month and I have yet to see one useful and decent thing come from them that is of benefit to all Americans. This was from a crowd of individuals that stated they will change Congress for the good of the nation. The General Election will find most of them without jobs as Democrats get elected.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Sure do, but some stereotypes are right, some are wrong. The fact that older white men tend to vote conservative isn't wrong, and is in this case a correct stereotype. I personally dislike stereotypes but I don't deny them when they're proven correct. It's also a stereotype that black people are more likely to be arrested. Is it true? Statistically yes. Do I dislike the stereotype? Sure, but I dont deny it's truth because I don't like it. Now if the reason was BECAUSE they were black, then yes that's racist, but it's also a matter of opinion and isn't included in the statistic. The statistics show that older white men tend to vote conservative. Is it because they're white? No, of course not, there are a lot of factors that play into it, such as their upbringing and personal history. Older white men have a tendency to be more religious, be more dominant towards women, anti-gay, among other qualities. This isn't because they're white, after all, correlation does not equal causation. To assume that their voting habits is caused by their skin colour is racist, to point out the correlation between voting habits and race isn't.

Sorry, but you actually don't know what a stereotype is. I suggest you look it up and think about it. You've already pronounced the statement as a stereotype. Since it was based on race, you've claimed it's both racist and not racist.

Before you make yourself look even more foolish by talking about stereotypes, please look up the definition.

OMG, you know it really is impossible to argue with an idiot who doesn't understand context and how the way something is said changes the meaning behind what is said. If you say older white men vote conservative because they're white, that's racist. If you say older white men vote conservative because of a variety of other factors un-related to race, then that isn't racist. You really can't get any more simple than that.

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Tkman,

I know this went over your head a couple pages ago. The discussion was not about stereotyping voters, which is the dead horse you keep beating. It was about cloudboys little leftist rant that his people will prevail. But, hey, keep beating the dead horse and showing tone deafness.

Here you go.

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/race.html

Love how you say that to me and not DS, hmm, could there be some kinda bias involved in your decision to reply to me?

Oh the left will prevail, your own party barely has a leg to stand on, so I'll very much enjoy the next american election as your party gets crushed under it's own stupidity.

Well TKman, conservatives do not hold other conservatives to the same level of accountability and responsibility as they slam liberals. Recall that Republican Congress that did nothing as a Republican US President got 3,200 US Soldiers killed, 32,500 permanently wounded, and cost $4 trillion in borrowed money to accuse a nation without evidence of wrong doing by lying to Congress and the public about it. Yet, that Same Republican Congress went after a Democratic US President for lying about having an affair with a young, semi-beautiful Jewish intern. Can you say 'hypocrisy'?

Cloudboy is absolutely correct. If conservatives were smart, they would be plotting for 2024, not 2016. But conservatives these days are not known for many good qualities. One of them is 'long term planning'. Which is actually how government runs at peak efficiency.

The current Republican Congress is in its 5th month and I have yet to see one useful and decent thing come from them that is of benefit to all Americans. This was from a crowd of individuals that stated they will change Congress for the good of the nation. The General Election will find most of them without jobs as Democrats get elected.

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and what, you think you have something?

I have nothing? I have logic, what do you have? False assumptions and lies? I mean hell, you outright lied claiming I said someone wasn't human because of the way they vote. In the end I'd rather have nothing than be a liar.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
Tkman,

I know this went over your head a couple pages ago. The discussion was not about stereotyping voters, which is the dead horse you keep beating. It was about cloudboys little leftist rant that his people will prevail. But, hey, keep beating the dead horse and showing tone deafness.

Here you go.

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/race.html

Love how you say that to me and not DS, hmm, could there be some kinda bias involved in your decision to reply to me?

Oh the left will prevail, your own party barely has a leg to stand on, so I'll very much enjoy the next american election as your party gets crushed under it's own stupidity.

Well TKman, conservatives do not hold other conservatives to the same level of accountability and responsibility as they slam liberals. Recall that Republican Congress that did nothing as a Republican US President got 3,200 US Soldiers killed, 32,500 permanently wounded, and cost $4 trillion in borrowed money to accuse a nation without evidence of wrong doing by lying to Congress and the public about it. Yet, that Same Republican Congress went after a Democratic US President for lying about having an affair with a young, semi-beautiful Jewish intern. Can you say 'hypocrisy'?

Cloudboy is absolutely correct. If conservatives were smart, they would be plotting for 2024, not 2016. But conservatives these days are not known for many good qualities. One of them is 'long term planning'. Which is actually how government runs at peak efficiency.

The current Republican Congress is in its 5th month and I have yet to see one useful and decent thing come from them that is of benefit to all Americans. This was from a crowd of individuals that stated they will change Congress for the good of the nation. The General Election will find most of them without jobs as Democrats get elected.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
Tkman,

I know this went over your head a couple pages ago. The discussion was not about stereotyping voters, which is the dead horse you keep beating. It was about cloudboys little leftist rant that his people will prevail. But, hey, keep beating the dead horse and showing tone deafness.

Here you go.

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/race.html

The current Republican Congress is in its 5th month and I have yet to see one useful and decent thing come from them that is of benefit to all Americans. This was from a crowd of individuals that stated they will change Congress for the good of the nation. The General Election will find most of them without jobs as Democrats get elected.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
Tkman,

I know this went over your head a couple pages ago. The discussion was not about stereotyping voters, which is the dead horse you keep beating. It was about cloudboys little leftist rant that his people will prevail. But, hey, keep beating the dead horse and showing tone deafness.

Here you go.

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/race.html

The current Republican Congress is in its 5th month and I have yet to see one useful and decent thing come from them that is of benefit to all Americans. This was from a crowd of individuals that stated they will change Congress for the good of the nation. The General Election will find most of them without jobs as Democrats get elected.

Oh Joe, we went over this just a day or so ago. Then of course you disappeared when you were proven wrong.

Aylee mentioned a budget resulted for the first time in years and I mentioned bi-partisanship. In fact I posted a link to an article Joe Liberman wrote extolling the bi-partisanship.

Yiks! that's right. You don't provide links or read them because, as you explained, you're perfectly happy with how you think now and wish everyone thought like you.

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a small aside, but it would be helpful when people are referencing the bible if people understood the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant and the associated difference between the old and new testaments.

but that said, your latter Leviticus quote speaks about treating "not mistreating strangers/sojourners in your land."

do you see that as translating into an open borders policy? and that enforcing immigration laws is somehow tantamount to mistreatment?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

a small aside, but it would be helpful when people are referencing the bible if people understood the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant and the associated difference between the old and new testaments.

but that said, your latter Leviticus quote speaks about treating "not mistreating strangers/sojourners in your land."

do you see that as translating into an open borders policy? and that enforcing immigration laws is somehow tantamount to mistreatment?

I do know the difference between old & new Covenants. I was making a very specific argument, which I think you've just inadvertently proven.

I would like to see amnesty for those peaceful immigrants that have fled Latin America to come to the States in search of a better life for themselves and their families. Those that commit other criminal acts should be exempt from amnesty and deported immediately.

Really, it's just extending our Wet Foot / Dry Foot immigration policy to all of Latin America, and not just Cuban refugees.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Sure do, but some stereotypes are right, some are wrong. The fact that older white men tend to vote conservative isn't wrong, and is in this case a correct stereotype. I personally dislike stereotypes but I don't deny them when they're proven correct. It's also a stereotype that black people are more likely to be arrested. Is it true? Statistically yes. Do I dislike the stereotype? Sure, but I dont deny it's truth because I don't like it. Now if the reason was BECAUSE they were black, then yes that's racist, but it's also a matter of opinion and isn't included in the statistic. The statistics show that older white men tend to vote conservative. Is it because they're white? No, of course not, there are a lot of factors that play into it, such as their upbringing and personal history. Older white men have a tendency to be more religious, be more dominant towards women, anti-gay, among other qualities. This isn't because they're white, after all, correlation does not equal causation. To assume that their voting habits is caused by their skin colour is racist, to point out the correlation between voting habits and race isn't.

Sorry, but you actually don't know what a stereotype is. I suggest you look it up and think about it. You've already pronounced the statement as a stereotype. Since it was based on race, you've claimed it's both racist and not racist.
Before you make yourself look even more foolish by talking about stereotypes, please look up the definition.

OMG, you know it really is impossible to argue with an idiot who doesn't understand context (OMG, yes I do!) and how the way something is said changes the meaning behind what is said. If you say older white men vote conservative because they're white, that's racist. If you say older white men vote conservative because of a variety of other factors un-related to race, then that isn't racist. You really can't get any more simple than that.

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a small aside, but it would be helpful when people are referencing the bible if people understood the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant and the associated difference between the old and new testaments.
but that said, your latter Leviticus quote speaks about treating "not mistreating strangers/sojourners in your land."
do you see that as translating into an open borders policy? and that enforcing immigration laws is somehow tantamount to mistreatment?

I do know the difference between old & new Covenants. I was making a very specific argument, which I think you've just inadvertently proven.
I would like to see amnesty for those peaceful immigrants that have fled Latin America to come to the States in search of a better life for themselves and their families. Those that commit other criminal acts should be exempt from amnesty and deported immediately.
Really, it's just extending our Wet Foot / Dry Foot immigration policy to all of Latin America, and not just Cuban refugees.
But mostly, our immigration policies need to be overhauled, streamlined, funded, and then enforced. A bit of compassion in each step, in line with positive Judeo-Christian values taught in both the Leviticus text I presented earlier and Matthew 25:31-46, would not be a bad thing.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
a small aside, but it would be helpful when people are referencing the bible if people understood the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant and the associated difference between the old and new testaments.
but that said, your latter Leviticus quote speaks about treating "not mistreating strangers/sojourners in your land."
do you see that as translating into an open borders policy? and that enforcing immigration laws is somehow tantamount to mistreatment?

I do know the difference between old & new Covenants. I was making a very specific argument, which I think you've just inadvertently proven.
I would like to see amnesty for those peaceful immigrants that have fled Latin America to come to the States in search of a better life for themselves and their families. Those that commit other criminal acts should be exempt from amnesty and deported immediately.
Really, it's just extending our Wet Foot / Dry Foot immigration policy to all of Latin America, and not just Cuban refugees.
But mostly, our immigration policies need to be overhauled, streamlined, funded, and then enforced. A bit of compassion in each step, in line with positive Judeo-Christian values taught in both the Leviticus text I presented earlier and Matthew 25:31-46, would not be a bad thing.

Deporting those here illegally would not be mistreating them (as long as we didn't mistreat them while deporting them). I understand people from other nations want to immigrate here, and I embrace it. I want the limits on numbers to be raised. I want it to be faster and easier to legally immigrate. I also think it's a slap in the face to all those who are in line and who have been in line doing things the right way, if we allow those who are here illegally to stay.