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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/7/2015 7:59:55 PM   
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Laws change all the time, or do you choose to forget that?

She didn't promise to get the law changed, she promised to ignore it, clearly you choose to forget that.


Not that I don't realize that Hilary is full of crap. I assure you I do.

But just when did she promise to "ignore the law"? The last speech that I heard, she said she would go as far as she could "within the law."


During his early term of Presidency, Obama said publicly, 22 times, that it would be illigal for him to unilaterally change immigration enforcement. Then he did. When he did, he stated he went as far as he could legally go. Now, Hillary is saying she'll go further.



Her exact words:

“as president I will do everything possible under the law to go even further." NOTE the "under the law" part. That is definitely not promising to "ignore the law". Your position seems to be that she can't go further without violating the law (and I might be persuaded to agree), but it is most certainly disingenuous to assert that she promised to "ignore the law".


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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/7/2015 8:07:09 PM   
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Laws change all the time, or do you choose to forget that?

She didn't promise to get the law changed, she promised to ignore it, clearly you choose to forget that.


Not that I don't realize that Hilary is full of crap. I assure you I do.

But just when did she promise to "ignore the law"? The last speech that I heard, she said she would go as far as she could "within the law."


During his early term of Presidency, Obama said publicly, 22 times, that it would be illigal for him to unilaterally change immigration enforcement. Then he did. When he did, he stated he went as far as he could legally go. Now, Hillary is saying she'll go further.



Her exact words:

“as president I will do everything possible under the law to go even further." NOTE the "under the law" part. That is definitely not promising to "ignore the law". Your position seems to be that she can't go further without violating the law (and I might be persuaded to agree), but it is most certainly disingenuous to assert that she promised to "ignore the law".




No, my,position is that I agree with Obama the first 22 times he spoke on the subject, that doing what he did was against the law, and that going further is going further against the law. I'm aware that Hillary said, "within the law" but I'm pretty sure I've seen that song and dance from her before. So I adjudge in her conflicting statement...that she would go further (beyond what is already against the law)...and that she would stay within the law, that she would resolve the conflict as the Clintons always have, but doing what she wanted despite the law.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/7/2015 9:43:09 PM   
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They're just worried she night now switch parties and run as a repub...becoming ever so much more qualified everyday.

Can't have that, they have their own brand of hypocrisy and pandering.


Pretty off the wall statement. But I'll say now what I've always said. Democrats always get themselves in trouble when they act and vote liberal. Republicans also get themselves in trouble when they act and vote liberal.

I think you are on to something. I've always said that liberalism was born and now has elected a black dem lib twice, because of the failures of conservatives. Notice I said 'conservatives' not conservatism.

You see I come from a Michigan conservative repub family going way back (ok, not that far back) but one who voted for Geo. Romney for gov. and for whom whose mother actually worked.

Soon as the conservative movement added to their strengths of a cold war constituency, the corporatism constituency, they started to lose many voters. Liberals were fed great ammunition and elected LBJ the great whore until he tired of playing ball on Vietnam.

Then with Nixon even though the most liberal repub to be elec. pres, his scummery did the trick. So we get Carter, a good man with whipsawed policies and then Reagan...an instant neocon upon being shot.

Now we wade through and battle out of the mutually greasy weeds of BI-partisan hypocrisy, corruption, hatred and venality. So, I just come here to give everybody shit.


You know, every now and then you and I agree. I held my nose and voted for "W" because I thought Id get two Supreme Court judges from him, and did. I won't vote for President if Jeb is the nominee. After the first 100 days Newt really started to look like s tax and spend liberal and after him, the Republicans lost all credibility nationally. Nixon instituted wage and price freezes and the EPA.

There are a lot of people voting who haven't even seen a real conservative. I don't consider myself a Republican because they lost me a long time ago. But, I stay with the party just so I can have a say in what they should do, to whatever little affect that has.


As for one in search for anybody but Clinton and Bush, I'd love to see Mark Warner (D VA. sen) vs John Kasich (R-Oh. gov)...that would be a good race and a whole lot more edifying to boot. In fact either winner, we wouldn't lose as neither too far from the center...without pandering.

I'd vote for Kasich over Hillary and Warner over Bush. I have my bipartisan fence-sitting down. But Hillary and Jeb leave a sour taste in my mouth, both having too much negative history.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/7/2015 11:49:31 PM   
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Laws change all the time, or do you choose to forget that?

She didn't promise to get the law changed, she promised to ignore it, clearly you choose to forget that.


Not that I don't realize that Hilary is full of crap. I assure you I do.

But just when did she promise to "ignore the law"? The last speech that I heard, she said she would go as far as she could "within the law."


During his early term of Presidency, Obama said publicly, 22 times, that it would be illigal for him to unilaterally change immigration enforcement. Then he did. When he did, he stated he went as far as he could legally go. Now, Hillary is saying she'll go further.



Her exact words:

“as president I will do everything possible under the law to go even further." NOTE the "under the law" part. That is definitely not promising to "ignore the law". Your position seems to be that she can't go further without violating the law (and I might be persuaded to agree), but it is most certainly disingenuous to assert that she promised to "ignore the law".



i don't suppose that you recall that in 96 when her husband got caught taking illegal campaign contributions (example foreign Buddhist nuns handing Gore a few $100,000), it isn't the laws that were broken the crime is what the laws allow. The press instantly fell in line and proclaimed him to be a crusader for cleaning up the system. She will follow the same blueprint and pretend it was "within the law" much like Obama did when he violated the limits that he had laid out.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 12:06:38 AM   
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Wow, just wow... Why don't we ask Libya, or Syria, or Lebanon, or Iraq, or Yemen how stable they are under Secretary Clinton.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 12:26:50 AM   
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Hillary = stability?

Wow, just wow... Why don't we ask Libya, or Syria, or Lebanon, or Iraq, or Yemen how stable they are under Secretary Clinton.

Bush Reagan any Republican got to blame it on a Republican the world would be perfect if there were no Republicans. Ok then we would have to set up "showers" for Christian but then the world would be perfect. And maybe we would have to come up with a final solution for gun owners. And smokers in the name of mercy we could kill off smokers.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 4:15:24 AM   
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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 4:35:03 AM   
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Looks like a lot of nonsense. It takes a couple quotes... Adds lots of opinion about mysterious unnamed "Progressives" (A Godless, constitution-mocking group)...

Typical Heritage Foundation propaganda. Ripe for The Blaze :)

So, Baltimore is full of Communists, and horrible people who don't believe in freedom?

I thought it was full of economically depressed areas and a bunch of thugs destroying property. I don't mind saying this. Please enlighten me?


given that you've (amazingly) ridiculed probably the foremost organization capable of commenting on/describing progressivism, where actually would you rather get your description from?

I find myself wondering too, just what was "nonsense?"

and to your last point---yes, those are the fruits of their ideals played out in a still somewhat "free" society as opposed to the totalitarian state they likely would prefer.


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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 7:35:54 AM   
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As reflected in this thread, the GOP's got the white male vote in spades. Too bad that's not enough. You guys are in for loads of disappointment.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 8:11:30 AM   
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As reflected in this thread, the GOP's got the white male vote in spades. Too bad that's not enough. You guys are in for loads of disappointment.


Can you say nener nener nener? Then hide behind momma' skirts?

BTW Cloudboy. That is one of the most racist comments I've seen on any thread.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 8:19:40 AM   
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As reflected in this thread, the GOP's got the white male vote in spades. Too bad that's not enough. You guys are in for loads of disappointment.


Can you say nener nener nener? Then hide behind momma' skirts?

BTW Cloudboy. That is one of the most racist comments I've seen on any thread.


Only white guys pay taxes, everyone else just leeches off of them?

Is that his point?

What the hell is he trying to say.





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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 8:22:46 AM   
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As reflected in this thread, the GOP's got the white male vote in spades. Too bad that's not enough. You guys are in for loads of disappointment.



the sad part there is, blacks overwhelmingly continuing to vote democrat in spite of the perpetual existence of the "democratic plantation"---and democrats, despite the rhetoric to the contrary, are content to keep them there.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 8:34:02 AM   
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As reflected in this thread, the GOP's got the white male vote in spades. Too bad that's not enough. You guys are in for loads of disappointment.


Can you say nener nener nener? Then hide behind momma' skirts?

BTW Cloudboy. That is one of the most racist comments I've seen on any thread.


Only white guys pay taxes, everyone else just leeches off of them?

Is that his point?

What the hell is he trying to say.






No, and I realize that anyone actually letting Cloudboy teach in s classroom as he said he did in Baltimore is grievously in default of professional ethics, I believe that Cloudboy was taunting us that he and his coalition of racist and sexist liberals will elect Hillary for President because white males won't be a large enough voter block to stop it. It's a current pablum to racists and sexists in the US.

It's only a guess of course, since Cloudboy is vertually inarticulate. But, it's too bad he had to throw race into this discussion.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 11:19:22 AM   
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As reflected in this thread, the GOP's got the white male vote in spades. Too bad that's not enough. You guys are in for loads of disappointment.


Can you say nener nener nener? Then hide behind momma' skirts?

BTW Cloudboy. That is one of the most racist comments I've seen on any thread.


For someone who claims he's an "expert" on the English language, you seem to have a poor ability at defining various terms. What he said was far from racist, is it a stereotype? Sure, but hardly racist. It wasn't hateful or said in such a way which puts down white men, it was simply a statement that white men, most typically older white men, vote conservative. If the statistics on that statement are true, and despite the fact that I'm unavailable to look them up atm, I'm willing to bet they are. I know you like playing the victim Hunter, but at this point you're just grasping at straws.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 11:20:27 AM   
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As reflected in this thread, the GOP's got the white male vote in spades. Too bad that's not enough. You guys are in for loads of disappointment.


Can you say nener nener nener? Then hide behind momma' skirts?

BTW Cloudboy. That is one of the most racist comments I've seen on any thread.


Only white guys pay taxes, everyone else just leeches off of them?

Is that his point?

What the hell is he trying to say.






No, and I realize that anyone actually letting Cloudboy teach in s classroom as he said he did in Baltimore is grievously in default of professional ethics, I believe that Cloudboy was taunting us that he and his coalition of racist and sexist liberals will elect Hillary for President because white males won't be a large enough voter block to stop it. It's a current pablum to racists and sexists in the US.

It's only a guess of course, since Cloudboy is vertually inarticulate. But, it's too bad he had to throw race into this discussion.


You really don't understand what sexism and racism is do you?

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 11:44:25 AM   
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For someone who claims he's an "expert" on the English language, you seem to have a poor ability at defining various terms. What he said was far from racist, is it a stereotype? Sure, but hardly racist. It wasn't hateful or said in such a way which puts down white men, it was simply a statement that white men, most typically older white men, vote conservative. If the statistics on that statement are true, and despite the fact that I'm unavailable to look them up atm, I'm willing to bet they are. I know you like playing the victim Hunter, but at this point you're just grasping at straws.


It doesn't need to be hateful or put in a way to put down white men. It's discrimination based on skin color, aka racism.

How do you not know that?


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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 12:04:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		So saying that white men are most likely to vote a certain way is descrimination? Wow, yeah that's really discriminating. And any other statistic that looks at race and voting habits is also discriminatory? Even if it's true? Cmon man, you can't be this narrow minded on the subject of racism.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 12:33:28 PM   
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So saying that white men are most likely to vote a certain way is descrimination? Wow, yeah that's really discriminating. And any other statistic that looks at race and voting habits is also discriminatory? Even if it's true? Cmon man, you can't be this narrow minded on the subject of racism.


Tkman, you've entered a petulant little drama of the absurd. Still waiting to hear how many semesters of organic chemistry you've had. In the mean time, you're little insults are amusing. Keep it up so people can see the real you.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 12:50:36 PM   
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Not falling for it.

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RE: Hillarys' 180 On Illegal Immigration - 5/8/2015 12:56:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a 100% factual statement, but in all other categories: women, Hispanics, Asians, Blacks, and Jews the GOP gets a minority of the vote.

Do the math on that for Presidential Elections. Securing the white vote only works well in Gerrymandered red states.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

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