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HunterCA -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 1:21:16 PM)


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What they get from FOX 'news', they simply regurgitate it here. An some even try to pass it off as original material. Why do you think most of us have an easy time slamming the bullshit for what it is? Doesn't take to long to get the facts and figure out why the FOX 'news' piece is blatantly full of bullshit.

despite my, and others, showing you that what sets fox news apart from all the other stations out there is that it is indeed fair and balanced, you want to continue to believe its a tool for the republican party or something.

why don't you actually watch it over a period of time and you will see many of your left wing heroes getting plenty of air time to voice their views. and you will find plenty of regulars who are either moderate in their social political philosophy, or actually very left leaning.

let me borrow from bill o'reilly when I say this: wise up.


How important is a 'State of the Union' speech to Americas? Pretty important. Its the one time we see 99% of the major players in Washington's elected group in one place. We have the President, Vice President, and most of the cabinet. The Joint Chiefs for the Military. All nine US Supreme Court Justices. And most of the US Congress. Most Americans will either tune into the speech via their TV or by the internet. Every news station worth its weight in gold, airs the speech. Regardless of which party is controlling the White House at the time.

Except FOX 'news'. Which is one of primary means of news for the midwest. And its the only means of news for the midwest. Folks out in the midwest are not as tech savy as other parts of the nation.

During the most recent State of the Union Speech that President Obama gave to the nation and Congress; What was FOX 'news' airing at the time?

If what you say is true, then the answer should be easy, right?

I watched the State of the Union Speech. I even flipped through the different news stations to see what they were reporting. That is why I know what the answer is, and you do not. But please, do try your best bullshit routine here....


You have totally moved beyond twit to complete and utter pretentious asshole with that statement.

I suggest that you perform an indecent act of anatomical impossibility upon yourself; and thereafter suggest you might best be served by such for in that instance at least you would enjoy a parity of inexperience with your partner such that any incompetence and amateurish bearing on your part might be alleviated.

An unlimited search of the entire vast gulf of space, and all the miserable creatures that dwell within, would never yield intellectual ineptitude exceeding that of your own. Truly, if feeble-mindedness was a cornerstone of some unspeakably perverse civilization, you would be crowned as its lord-emperor and forever clumsily worshiped by drooling, knuckle-dragging, unwashed degenerates.



Laughing. Such a well stated and lady like turn of phrase. I'm in awe.




Politesub53 -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 1:36:18 PM)


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the really really sad thing here is, I was asking from a position of genuine curiosity and wanted to actually talk about the components of my question. that you took it instead as a cynical opportunity to be insulting, without provocation, speaks volumes of your reasons for being here, if not character too.


This has nothing to do with my posts but everything to do with yours, you tend to come across as passive agressive and it is dificult to tell which.

The fact remains that my intial post about Cameron was 100% correct.




DesideriScuri -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 1:44:35 PM)

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what sets fox news apart from all the other stations out there is that it is indeed fair and balanced

Wow! Are there lots of other people who believe that out there, Bounty?


Fox News Channel routinely bests the other channels, so, yes, there seems to be a lot of other people out there that believe that.

Personally, I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are fair or balanced. I do believe they are the "most fair" and "most balanced" media outlet, but it definitely has a conservative bend to it. As far as the "opinion" staff, it is decidedly rightist and not balanced.




bounty44 -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 1:51:23 PM)

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the really really sad thing here is, I was asking from a position of genuine curiosity and wanted to actually talk about the components of my question. that you took it instead as a cynical opportunity to be insulting, without provocation, speaks volumes of your reasons for being here, if not character too.


This has nothing to do with my posts but everything to do with yours, you tend to come across as passive agressive and it is dificult to tell which.

The fact remains that my intial post about Cameron was 100% correct.



I understand tone is hard to discern when you can only read words and not hear a persons voice or see his face, but im pretty forthright when I state my principles and very assertive (and i hope clear) when I am in disagreement with something or someone I am replying to. I understand "passive aggressive" and I don't think its a characteristic I embody or employ.

im not debating the accuracy of your post about Cameron, as i said, im genuinely wondering how he achieves those ends without compromising conservative principles. and I don't mean that in a broad generic sort of way that's answered by "working with businesses and people concerned about the environment" but rather how does he actually does so from the perspective of conservatism.

this is, I think, actually a good question I hope everyone takes up.




bounty44 -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 1:55:40 PM)


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what sets fox news apart from all the other stations out there is that it is indeed fair and balanced

Wow! Are there lots of other people who believe that out there, Bounty?


Fox News Channel routinely bests the other channels, so, yes, there seems to be a lot of other people out there that believe that.

Personally, I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are fair or balanced. I do believe they are the "most fair" and "most balanced" media outlet, but it definitely has a conservative bend to it. As far as the "opinion" staff, it is decidedly rightist and not balanced.



Hannity for sure on that last part, but in that case (and with o'reilly too, and the five) there are always liberals well represented in the guest list.

I can say though, while I like sean Hannity personally, I don't like how he treats liberals on his show.

lately, ive been enjoying the five minus bob beckel---Julie roginsky and juan Williams have been sitting in for him.




mnottertail -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 1:58:19 PM)

There is nothing to indicate conservatives are 'good stewards' of the earth. Look at the dogshit they passed as a jobs bill, to dump more rat poison in our drinking water, to poison the air with mercury, to frack, to sell off national forest and other lands....to ignore the issue of climate change and our role in it.

Nah, the 'principle' does not exist in 'conservatives'.





HunterCA -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:14:02 PM)


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"If any one says, 'I love God,' and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen" (1 Jn. 4:20).


Casting that liar thing around a lot. Having trouble, maybe, understand something beyond your kin? Like maybe the person is like so many on here that just think one way out of idiocy and don't know any better. It doesn't make them a liar. It makes them an idiot. I'm sure if we all took a few moments we could come up with a couple of other reasons besides lying.

you are arguing with the bible?
wat wat?


Only half of it, they dont seem to consider the first half as it doesnt always support their arguments.
[;)]


the creationists belive genesis.



In Darwin's Origin of the Species historical sketch of work prior to his he states the following:

“The "Philosophy of Creation" has been treated in a masterly manner by the Rev. Baden Powell, in his "Essays on the Unity of Worlds", 1855. Nothing can be more striking than the manner in which he shows that the introduction of new species is "a regular, not a casual phenomenon," or, as Sir John Herschel expresses it, "a natural in contradistinction to a miraculous process.”

“Lamarck was the first man whose conclusions on the subject excited much attention. This justly celebrated naturalist first published his views in 1801; he much enlarged them in 1809 in his "Philosophie Zoologique", and subsequently, 1815, in the Introduction to his "Hist. Nat. des Animaux sans Vertebres". In these works he up holds the doctrine that all species, including man, are descended from other species. He first did the eminent service of arousing attention to the probability of all change in the organic, as well as in the inorganic world, being the result of law, and not of miraculous interposition. Lamarck seems to have been chiefly led to his conclusion on the gradual change of species, by the difficulty of distinguishing species and varieties, by the almost perfect gradation of forms in certain groups, and by the analogy of domestic productions. With respect to the means of modification, he attributed something to the direct action of the physical conditions of life, something to the crossing of already existing forms, and much to use and disuse, that is, to the effects of habit. To this latter agency he seems to attribute all the beautiful adaptations in nature;”

“The Hon. and Rev. W. Herbert, afterward Dean of Manchester, in the fourth volume of the "Horticultural Transactions", 1822, and in his work on the "Amaryllidaceae" (1837, pages 19, 339), declares that "horticultural experiments have established, beyond the possibility of refutation, that botanical species are only a higher and more permanent class of varieties." He extends the same view to animals”

Which, if you read who he was referring to, points out what a couple of church people were saying even befor him.

Later in the book Dsrwin says:

“It has been said that I speak of natural selection as an active power or Deity; but who objects to an author speaking of the attraction of gravity as ruling the movements of the planets? Every one knows what is meant and is implied by such metaphorical expressions; and they are almost necessary for brevity. So again it is difficult to avoid personifying the word Nature; but I mean by nature, only the aggregate action and product of many natural laws, and by laws the sequence of events as ascertained by us. With a little familiarity such superficial objections will be forgotten.”

I personally have never found a science explane the origin of life, as opposed to the origin of species. Darwin relegated things to "Natural Laws" as seen above.

People who ponder the origin of life, as opposed to the origin of species, have come up with many sources. As far as science can measure, one is as good as another and the natural laws that exist haven't, to my knowledge, been explained. Well, we do measure things like strong and weak attractions, but we, to my knowledge don't know how they started.

I would propose that tolerant people would accept, as Darwin says, people observe natural laws in effect, and allow others to find the source of those laws as they wish.




joether -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:24:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
You have totally moved beyond twit to complete and utter pretentious asshole with that statement.

I suggest that you perform an indecent act of anatomical impossibility upon yourself; and thereafter suggest you might best be served by such for in that instance at least you would enjoy a parity of inexperience with your partner such that any incompetence and amateurish bearing on your part might be alleviated.

An unlimited search of the entire vast gulf of space, and all the miserable creatures that dwell within, would never yield intellectual ineptitude exceeding that of your own. Truly, if feeble-mindedness was a cornerstone of some unspeakably perverse civilization, you would be crowned as its lord-emperor and forever clumsily worshiped by drooling, knuckle-dragging, unwashed degenerates.



blah blah blah blah blah blah...

...You cant even answer the central question. That should show anyone here who disregards reality more.

Just a few more insults from someone that cant handle facts, truth, and evidence. Trying to attack me in any way you can. Unfortunately for your 'Junior High School' mentality, I've moved beyond that.

This is a BDSM website. Its assumed that your: A) An adult, B ) In full control of your senses and emotions, C ) That you are about to be mature. By what you have wrote here, none of those are true.





joether -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:29:26 PM)


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Let's see if you can figure this one out Sanity. I spotted it within 10 seconds of reading.

How long has President Obama been a US President for:

A ) 7 Years
B ) 15 years

For the rest of us in reality, we know the answer.

A good try at an answer, just not the correct one. But I do like some of the facts. This last mid term election saw the lowest turn out in US history! We could make it a thread. You can blame President Obama, I can blame Republicans. We'll be both right and wrong at the same time. Sprinkle in some dumbass remarks from Kirata, Aylee, and RealOne; plus some intelligent ones from Lucy, Tweak, PoliteSub, and a few others. An we'll have a typical thread on here....





bounty44 -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:30:57 PM)

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"If any one says, 'I love God,' and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen" (1 Jn. 4:20).


Casting that liar thing around a lot. Having trouble, maybe, understand something beyond your kin? Like maybe the person is like so many on here that just think one way out of idiocy and don't know any better. It doesn't make them a liar. It makes them an idiot. I'm sure if we all took a few moments we could come up with a couple of other reasons besides lying.

you are arguing with the bible?
wat wat?


Only half of it, they dont seem to consider the first half as it doesnt always support their arguments.
[;)]


I recently said this on another thread but it bears repeating:

it would be good for people who either broadly reference the bible, or attempt to mock those who reference it, to themselves understand the difference between the old testament and the new testament, the old covenant and the new covenant.




HunterCA -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:31:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
You have totally moved beyond twit to complete and utter pretentious asshole with that statement.

I suggest that you perform an indecent act of anatomical impossibility upon yourself; and thereafter suggest you might best be served by such for in that instance at least you would enjoy a parity of inexperience with your partner such that any incompetence and amateurish bearing on your part might be alleviated.

An unlimited search of the entire vast gulf of space, and all the miserable creatures that dwell within, would never yield intellectual ineptitude exceeding that of your own. Truly, if feeble-mindedness was a cornerstone of some unspeakably perverse civilization, you would be crowned as its lord-emperor and forever clumsily worshiped by drooling, knuckle-dragging, unwashed degenerates.



blah blah blah blah blah blah...

...You cant even answer the central question. That should show anyone here who disregards reality more.

Just a few more insults from someone that cant handle facts, truth, and evidence. Trying to attack me in any way you can. Unfortunately for your 'Junior High School' mentality, I've moved beyond that.

This is a BDSM website. Its assumed that your: A) An adult, B ) In full control of your senses and emotions, C ) That you are about to be mature. By what you have wrote here, none of those are true.





But, that's the point Joe. You don't move on. You move always toward pretention. This thread is about CO2. Earlier I made some technical statements of my beliefs. Where, anywhere, have you supplied any technical input? You don't...ever. It's all bloviating.

Oh and I'm chuckling that you liked my blah blah blah thing. Mimicry is flattery Joe.




joether -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:32:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

"If any one says, 'I love God,' and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen" (1 Jn. 4:20).


Casting that liar thing around a lot. Having trouble, maybe, understand something beyond your kin? Like maybe the person is like so many on here that just think one way out of idiocy and don't know any better. It doesn't make them a liar. It makes them an idiot. I'm sure if we all took a few moments we could come up with a couple of other reasons besides lying.

you are arguing with the bible?
wat wat?


Only half of it, they dont seem to consider the first half as it doesnt always support their arguments.
[;)]


the creationists belive genesis.



Which version? There are two. They both contradict the other. An this assumes we are using the same bible, since there is only 47 various versions of the Bible. Or we going 'old school' with the ancient Hebrew test study?




bounty44 -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:35:29 PM)

let me throw this out there again and hopefully we can all pick up on it...

is it possible for a conservative government to engage in combating "climate change" without compromising conservative principles?

if so, what does that look like? what problems might actually prohibit it?




mnottertail -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:41:54 PM)

in the day of real conservatives easily so. but nowadays those who style themselves conservatives are simply know-nothings and rabid rightwing, and not traditionally or in any sense conservative.




joether -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:43:46 PM)

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You have totally moved beyond twit to complete and utter pretentious asshole with that statement.

I suggest that you perform an indecent act of anatomical impossibility upon yourself; and thereafter suggest you might best be served by such for in that instance at least you would enjoy a parity of inexperience with your partner such that any incompetence and amateurish bearing on your part might be alleviated.

An unlimited search of the entire vast gulf of space, and all the miserable creatures that dwell within, would never yield intellectual ineptitude exceeding that of your own. Truly, if feeble-mindedness was a cornerstone of some unspeakably perverse civilization, you would be crowned as its lord-emperor and forever clumsily worshiped by drooling, knuckle-dragging, unwashed degenerates.



blah blah blah blah blah blah...

...You cant even answer the central question. That should show anyone here who disregards reality more.

Just a few more insults from someone that cant handle facts, truth, and evidence. Trying to attack me in any way you can. Unfortunately for your 'Junior High School' mentality, I've moved beyond that.

This is a BDSM website. Its assumed that your: A) An adult, B ) In full control of your senses and emotions, C ) That you are about to be mature. By what you have wrote here, none of those are true.





But, that's the point Joe. You don't move on. You move always toward pretention. This thread is about CO2. Earlier I made some technical statements of my beliefs. Where, anywhere, have you supplied any technical input? You don't...ever. It's all bloviating.


Ok Mr. Kettle, if you want to say I am pushing the thread off topic, because you cant answer the central question....go ahead. Look like more of a fool.

The answer to the question:

FOX 'news' was 'reporting' (i.e. complaining) about Oregon farmhands making $480,000 from a summer of work in 2010, using the money from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. That would be the law FOX 'news' had 'problems' with because it helped the nation avoid a horrible financial depression. Instead that law allowed the nation to steady many industries across the board and get the country moving again towards a better economy.

While the President's speech was 'fair' by his standards; finding out what FOX 'news' was 'reporting' at the time was hilarious! Its typical of that organization to state everything the President doesnt do well at in big letters; while anything he does well in abolutely tiny font. Its like they have a political agenda. Like a mouthpiece for a political organization that has a logo for an elephant in red and blue.

Let's pit FOX 'news' against the Scientific Community; who sounds more uninformed?




joether -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:45:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
let me throw this out there again and hopefully we can all pick up on it...

is it possible for a conservative government to engage in combating "climate change" without compromising conservative principles?

if so, what does that look like? what problems might actually prohibit it?


How are we defining 'conservative government' here?

Make sure you define it REALLY well.




HunterCA -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:49:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

let me throw this out there again and hopefully we can all pick up on it...

is it possible for a conservative government to engage in combating "climate change" without compromising conservative principles?

if so, what does that look like? what problems might actually prohibit it?


I think it's very simple. First we stop the "if we don't spend trillions of dollars on this now, if we don't change to a socialist society right now the earth will end." There is nothing I'd like better than cheap energy that's not petrochimical based. So, we acknowledge it would be better to be green but live within our limits that exist now. Work on the economy, get people working and spend a reasonable amount on research. When a real alternative comes along, I'd not mind the government helping to switch over to an energy based existence on that viable solution.




HunterCA -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:51:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
You have totally moved beyond twit to complete and utter pretentious asshole with that statement.

I suggest that you perform an indecent act of anatomical impossibility upon yourself; and thereafter suggest you might best be served by such for in that instance at least you would enjoy a parity of inexperience with your partner such that any incompetence and amateurish bearing on your part might be alleviated.

An unlimited search of the entire vast gulf of space, and all the miserable creatures that dwell within, would never yield intellectual ineptitude exceeding that of your own. Truly, if feeble-mindedness was a cornerstone of some unspeakably perverse civilization, you would be crowned as its lord-emperor and forever clumsily worshiped by drooling, knuckle-dragging, unwashed degenerates.



blah blah blah blah blah blah...

...You cant even answer the central question. That should show anyone here who disregards reality more.

Just a few more insults from someone that cant handle facts, truth, and evidence. Trying to attack me in any way you can. Unfortunately for your 'Junior High School' mentality, I've moved beyond that.

This is a BDSM website. Its assumed that your: A) An adult, B ) In full control of your senses and emotions, C ) That you are about to be mature. By what you have wrote here, none of those are true.





But, that's the point Joe. You don't move on. You move always toward pretention. This thread is about CO2. Earlier I made some technical statements of my beliefs. Where, anywhere, have you supplied any technical input? You don't...ever. It's all bloviating.


Ok Mr. Kettle, if you want to say I am pushing the thread off topic, because you cant answer the central question....go ahead. Look like more of a fool.

The answer to the question:

FOX 'news' was 'reporting' (i.e. complaining) about Oregon farmhands making $480,000 from a summer of work in 2010, using the money from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. That would be the law FOX 'news' had 'problems' with because it helped the nation avoid a horrible financial depression. Instead that law allowed the nation to steady many industries across the board and get the country moving again towards a better economy.

While the President's speech was 'fair' by his standards; finding out what FOX 'news' was 'reporting' at the time was hilarious! Its typical of that organization to state everything the President doesnt do well at in big letters; while anything he does well in abolutely tiny font. Its like they have a political agenda. Like a mouthpiece for a political organization that has a logo for an elephant in red and blue.

Let's pit FOX 'news' against the Scientific Community; who sounds more uninformed?



And that's related to CO2 how? Come on Joe, you're just bloviating again.




joether -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 2:56:20 PM)


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in the day of real conservatives easily so. but nowadays those who style themselves conservatives are simply know-nothings and rabid rightwing, and not traditionally or in any sense conservative.


That certainly is the difference between 'old school' conservatives and the modern conservatives. The old school was actually conservative but were reasonable individuals that knew that compromising on one thing got something they wanted. The modern era conservative is 'Take, Take, Take' and no 'Give and Take', since that would be socialism....

The old schoolers were usually educated individuals. They wanted the population educated. To be able to do more than just pick crops or stand in an assembly line. They didn't want to push on things to quickly that were new and innovating. Perferring to have some time to test things out; work out the bugs. After that, they would implement it for usage. Take solar power as a modern idea to them. They would understand its usage and how it come help the nation. Particularly those parts that see alot of sun for much of the day. Once many of the problems solar power had in the 70's to the 90's, they would be 'on board' with it as a primary power source.

The modern conservative find someone like Senator Ted Cruz to be 'a good person' for government. That should show anyone, including the old school conservatives, how 'fucked in the head' modern conservatives are these days.

Old school conservatives could give you a fair definition for 'conservative', 'liberal', 'socialism', 'communism', 'democracy', 'the republic', and many other things. The modern conservative would fail the exam by a wide margin. While the old school conservative had to memorize it, or carry some books; the modern day has access to a small device that weighs mere ounces; but do not know how to look up a definition when asked. They (the modern conservative) just say "I dont know the definition of liberal'. Where ever the hell we go the 'modern day conservative' from, can we ship it back to manufacture as defective?




HunterCA -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/12/2015 3:00:11 PM)


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in the day of real conservatives easily so. but nowadays those who style themselves conservatives are simply know-nothings and rabid rightwing, and not traditionally or in any sense conservative.


That certainly is the difference between 'old school' conservatives and the modern conservatives. The old school was actually conservative but were reasonable individuals that knew that compromising on one thing got something they wanted. The modern era conservative is 'Take, Take, Take' and no 'Give and Take', since that would be socialism....

The old schoolers were usually educated individuals. They wanted the population educated. To be able to do more than just pick crops or stand in an assembly line. They didn't want to push on things to quickly that were new and innovating. Perferring to have some time to test things out; work out the bugs. After that, they would implement it for usage. Take solar power as a modern idea to them. They would understand its usage and how it come help the nation. Particularly those parts that see alot of sun for much of the day. Once many of the problems solar power had in the 70's to the 90's, they would be 'on board' with it as a primary power source.

The modern conservative find someone like Senator Ted Cruz to be 'a good person' for government. That should show anyone, including the old school conservatives, how 'fucked in the head' modern conservatives are these days.

Old school conservatives could give you a fair definition for 'conservative', 'liberal', 'socialism', 'communism', 'democracy', 'the republic', and many other things. The modern conservative would fail the exam by a wide margin. While the old school conservative had to memorize it, or carry some books; the modern day has access to a small device that weighs mere ounces; but do not know how to look up a definition when asked. They (the modern conservative) just say "I dont know the definition of liberal'. Where ever the hell we go the 'modern day conservative' from, can we ship it back to manufacture as defective?




Joe bloviate/CO2. I'm thinking more bloviating. Concentrate Joe.




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