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bounty44 -> RE: CO2 levels hit a record high.. (5/18/2015 5:30:12 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: bounty44
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Hunter..... American definitions of political positions always amaze me. They are so different from the same definition used in the rest of the Western world..
My point to bounty is that by our definition, and the rest of the EU come to that, Cameron is indeed Conservative. He has woken up to the idea of global warming kind of late and is trying to use its popularity to kickstart small industry in the UK. There is nothing unConservative about trying to drum up more businesses.
well then, what is the substantive difference between the European understanding of conservatism and the American understanding such that combating "climate change" falls under the auspices of conservative principles?
Whats that got to do with the price of fish...... Western Europe, and come tot hat much of eastern Europe, have decided to tackle global warming with government finances. The fact you dont agree doesnt give you the right to get pissy over the word "Conservative"
you said that conservatives in England want to combat "climate change" as a part of their party platform.
I said, I wonder how they could do such a thing without compromising conservative principles. I offered up examples of things that define conservatism.
you replied (before or after, I don't recall) with government behavior that you doubted was conservative, attempting to lump in combating "climate change" with those other instances.
I pointed out, more or less, lack of conservative behavior doesn't justify more lack of conservative behavior, and it certainly doesn't qualify it as conservative behavior just because people who call themselves conservative do it.
you suggested here in America we don't understand, either true conservatism, or the English/European understanding of the word.
I asked then, explain the difference in the understanding of the concept such that fighting "climate change" is indeed a part of conservatism.
whether I agree or disagree with climate change, or the govt fighting climate change, is completely irrespective of my question.
either your conservative politicians are acting in ways that are inconsistent with conservatism (which is possible if not probable) or you all truly do understand conservatism different than we do (which seems unlikely actually).
thus the question.
but i suspect you already really knew that and just cannot answer it.
and yeah, words, especially ones that are umbrella terms for important things like worldviews, matter greatly. if we can just redefine them willy nilly, then what is the point of language in the first place? imagine a world where words don't mean what they traditionally and historically mean.
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