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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 7:02:26 AM   
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For the love of christ, please don't be such an idiot.

Sorry, I think that a cop being gunned down for doing his job is a bigger outrage than one shooting someone who is out to beat him to death.


Maybe you're right. We should ban all guns to protect the Police from being shot. Police safety comes first. I'm totally outraged. Let's take action right now.

Just kidding. I wouldn't want to rattle your utopia.

I think you'd see outrage if the the PERPs claimed self-defense and then walked away free and clear. The Police are also a powerful group. Police Unions protect their own politically (as a group) and individually (when officers are in need of a civil defense.)

If the masses in BALTO had not risen up for Freddy Gray, he'd have simply disappeared, unnoticed. Maybe the family would have filed a civil lawsuit. Its really apples and oranges.

What stands out is how you really don't seem to feel anything at all for the victims of police brutality.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 8:55:34 AM   
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Maybe you're right. We should ban all guns to protect the Police from being shot. Police safety comes first. I'm totally outraged. Let's take action right now.

Just kidding. I wouldn't want to rattle your utopia.


Kidding aside what a wonderful idea and I am outraged at all the guns in criminals hands. I would much rather see guns in the hands of trained officers than gangbangers looking for their next drive by.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 9:39:44 AM   
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But what matters most, now that the suspects have been arrested, is making sure that they are brought to justice, without even a hint of wrong-doing any step of the way.



What should matter most is... Why...so many black men are killing either themselves or others. But whoever asks this question will be accused of racism... So the question is never asked


why should this matter the most? It doesn't! Citizen's should be more concerned about the governament infringing people's costitutional rights, it's not the citizen's duty going after other citizens. You would be labelled as racist because you formulated the question as the main factor is the colour of the skin... this is the definition of racist bias, by the way the question is not so difficoult to be answered, because they live in a racially segregated society that do not offer much opportunities in terms of social mobility.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 9:46:04 AM   
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should be more concerned about the governament infringing people's costitutional rights


Government infringements did not kill 159 black men women and children last year...and that is just St. Louis not the surrounding municipalities such as Ferguson.

I would say stopping the slaughter is a lot more important than your imaginative infringement of rights.

Butch

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 9:51:55 AM   
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For the love of christ, please don't be such an idiot.

Sorry, I think that a cop being gunned down for doing his job is a bigger outrage than one shooting someone who is out to beat him to death.


Maybe you're right. We should ban all guns to protect the Police from being shot. Police safety comes first. I'm totally outraged. Let's take action right now.

Just kidding. I wouldn't want to rattle your utopia.

I think you'd see outrage if the the PERPs claimed self-defense and then walked away free and clear. The Police are also a powerful group. Police Unions protect their own politically (as a group) and individually (when officers are in need of a civil defense.)

If the masses in BALTO had not risen up for Freddy Gray, he'd have simply disappeared, unnoticed. Maybe the family would have filed a civil lawsuit. Its really apples and oranges.

What stands out is how you really don't seem to feel anything at all for the victims of police brutality.

While I do not doubt that you believe this it isn't true. The department said there was misconduct before the "masses" (a communist term for the people) rose up.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 9:58:25 AM   
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If you look at a list of reasons the death penalty can be given, killing a police officer is probably right on top.

People care. Government cares. Other cops care.

But what matters most, now that the suspects have been arrested, is making sure that they are brought to justice, without even a hint of wrong-doing any step of the way.

Which is probably a big part of why the suspects have been moved to undisclosed jails outside of Hattiesburg.

I guess they have already blown it then. Undisclosed jails can be twisted into isolating them so they can be pressured. Banks' mother has already claimed harassment. There is a "hint" of misconduct every time a cop takes a breath.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 10:13:36 AM   
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. . . the "masses" (a communist term for the people) . . .


I vote this as the stupidest fucking thing ever on the internet.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 10:28:45 AM   
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We have a rash of cops being murdered. No outrage.

Bullshit.

If you're not seeing outrage for officers who were killed in the line of duty, then I would have to guess that's either due to your own personal blinders or the choices you've made regarding news sources.

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People who are outraged when a cop defends himself against an attack yawn if the cop gets killed.

Again, bullshit.

Wingnuts aside, officers who legitimately defend themselves don't engender outrage. Unfortunately, there seem to be an awful lot of cases recently where that legitimacy is either in question or a complete fabrication. In those cases, outrage is often warranted. Don't confuse those cases with the one you based this idiotic thread upon.

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And you think that anyone who finds that hostility to cops to be a problem is an idiot.

Survey says...

Bullshit!

Your post was idiotic, as is this strawman attempt.

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You know as well as I do that if one of the cops had managed to shoot the attacker we would have been inundated yesterday with arguments that it was provoked by the police and the cop should be arrested.

Do I have to say it again?



Actually, this whole post is BS. It's been clearly documented, including by the racist Eric Holder, that the cop in Fergusan was entirely acting in self defense yet riots occurred. The woman, since fired, who worked at Subway Sandwich and reveled in the cop killing by tweeting "Got them" in admiration of the cop killings point out the actual tone of the rioting crowd is not as you'd have it portrayed.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 10:30:12 AM   
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Then the question begs, why hasnt ANYONE posted ANY news until today...there IS plenty of it out there, blaming the lack of threads on cops being killed as being proof that "cops lives dont matter", is bullshit.
Find the news, post it...dont whine that cops lives dont matter....its a fucking lie.



Gees, discussing whining.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 10:34:49 AM   
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The nation focused its attention last year on deaths resulting from some police officers' controversial use of force. But just as tensions rose between law enforcement and citizens in 2014, so did killings of officers.

The FBI released preliminary statistics on Monday showing that 51 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2014. That's an 89 percent increase in felonious cop slayings compared to 2013.

However, the number of officers killed has been declining in recent years. The 2014 figure is well below the 64 officers who were killed on average each year between 1980 and 2014. The year 2013 actually saw the lowest number of officers killed in action in the last 35 years. Only 27 officers were killed feloniously that year, which means that while 2014's number appears to be a spike, it's actually lower than the average figure from the past several years.


Some key statistics from the report include:

46 of the 51 officer killings involved offenders using guns;
Of those 46 incidents, 32 of the incidents involved handguns, 11 involved rifles and three involved shotguns;
35 of the 51 officers were wearing body armor at the time;
17 officers were killed in the South, 14 in the West, 8 in the Midwest, 8 in the Northeast and 4 in Puerto Rico;
An additional 44 officers were accidentally killed in the line of duty;
Of those 44 officers, 28 died in vehicular collisions, and only 15 of them were wearing seat belts.
The report comes shortly after the funeral of NYPD Officer Brian Moore, who was shot and killed on patrol in Queens. Thousands of cops traveled to New York City Friday to mourn Moore's death.

The FBI isn't able to accurately compile a list of citizens killed by officers in any given year. There are a number of reasons for this. Officer-involved shootings and uses of force aren't statistics that can be accurately gathered nationally, and even if they could be, internal investigations are handled and reported differently -- if at all -- in almost every jurisdiction.

The FBI's most recent report on "justifiable homicides" by police officers shows that 461 felons were killed by a cop in the line of duty in 2013. According to The New York Times, however, the figures are incomplete and widely contested:

Federal experts have long acknowledged that that estimate is too low, and a handful of more recent, unofficial reports — online databases compiled and fact-checked by volunteers — place the toll much higher, at about 1,100 deaths a year, or three a day. Yet they do not suggest that the pace of police killings or the racial composition of victims as a group has changed significantly in the last two years or so.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 10:40:03 AM   
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But what matters most, now that the suspects have been arrested, is making sure that they are brought to justice, without even a hint of wrong-doing any step of the way.



What should matter most is... Why...so many black men are killing either themselves or others. But whoever asks this question will be accused of racism... So the question is never asked


why should this matter the most? It doesn't! Citizen's should be more concerned about the governament infringing people's costitutional rights, it's not the citizen's duty going after other citizens. You would be labelled as racist because you formulated the question as the main factor is the colour of the skin... this is the definition of racist bias, by the way the question is not so difficoult to be answered, because they live in a racially segregated society that do not offer much opportunities in terms of social mobility.


Okay, there is a good point in here even if the basic premise is wrong. Government infringement on people's constitutional rights should be a huge, if not primary concern. In this specific case I believe you can see that point is being played out by the whole government confiscates wealth from one group and uses it to make the lives of other groups miserable. After all, 60 some odd years of entitlement programs in Baltimore is what seems to have generated the situation there. I'd certainly like the government to be held accountable for that and had it not occurred the whole miserable situation may have been avoided.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 11:29:13 AM   
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But what matters most, now that the suspects have been arrested, is making sure that they are brought to justice, without even a hint of wrong-doing any step of the way.



What should matter most is... Why...so many black men are killing either themselves or others. But whoever asks this question will be accused of racism... So the question is never asked


why should this matter the most? It doesn't! Citizen's should be more concerned about the governament infringing people's costitutional rights, it's not the citizen's duty going after other citizens. You would be labelled as racist because you formulated the question as the main factor is the colour of the skin... this is the definition of racist bias, by the way the question is not so difficoult to be answered, because they live in a racially segregated society that do not offer much opportunities in terms of social mobility.


Okay, there is a good point in here even if the basic premise is wrong. Government infringement on people's constitutional rights should be a huge, if not primary concern. In this specific case I believe you can see that point is being played out by the whole government confiscates wealth from one group and uses it to make the lives of other groups miserable. After all, 60 some odd years of entitlement programs in Baltimore is what seems to have generated the situation there. I'd certainly like the government to be held accountable for that and had it not occurred the whole miserable situation may have been avoided.


They make stupid laws like the one in NY that led to the Gardner case. Guarantees conflict between cops and citizens over BS, this increases the tension between the cops and the populace. The cops would much rather be dealing with real crimes than enforcing BS laws but they are caught in the middle getting it from both sides. Joe said there is no increase in violence, but he as usual misrepresented. I said increase in violence against cops, I think a 80% increase in the number of cops killed in one year constitutes an increase. This endangers everyone for once they attack cops with impunity why would they hesitate to attack anyone else. And when people use any excuse, no matter how feeble, to blame cops they help promote lawlessness.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 11:30:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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For the love of christ, please don't be such an idiot.

Sorry, I think that a cop being gunned down for doing his job is a bigger outrage than one shooting someone who is out to beat him to death.


Maybe you're right. We should ban all guns to protect the Police from being shot. Police safety comes first. I'm totally outraged. Let's take action right now.

Just kidding. I wouldn't want to rattle your utopia.

I think you'd see outrage if the the PERPs claimed self-defense and then walked away free and clear. The Police are also a powerful group. Police Unions protect their own politically (as a group) and individually (when officers are in need of a civil defense.)

If the masses in BALTO had not risen up for Freddy Gray, he'd have simply disappeared, unnoticed. Maybe the family would have filed a civil lawsuit. Its really apples and oranges.

What stands out is how you really don't seem to feel anything at all for the victims of police brutality.

Thank you, I can always count on you to prove even the most extreme characterization of liberals.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 1:02:07 PM   
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While I do not doubt that you believe this it isn't true. The department said there was misconduct before the "masses" (a communist term for the people) rose up.


"The masses" simply equals "the people" and was in use long before communism.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 1:05:00 PM   
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. . . the "masses" (a communist term for the people) . . .


I vote this as the stupidest fucking thing ever on the internet.


Maybe we the people can vote on it En masse.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 1:08:54 PM   
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While I do not doubt that you believe this it isn't true. The department said there was misconduct before the "masses" (a communist term for the people) rose up.


"The masses" simply equals "the people" and was in use long before communism.



Hum? I believe during the, "Let them eat cake" period they were called peasants. Can you provide a link when it changed from peasants to masses for some time between 1770 and Marx? I'd appreciate it.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 1:10:26 PM   
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. . . the "masses" (a communist term for the people) . . .


I vote this as the stupidest fucking thing ever on the internet.


Maybe we the people can vote on it En masse.


Okay, calling it like I see them, this was funny.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 1:10:45 PM   
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No, get your own fucking link proving me wrong.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 1:14:33 PM   
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I found this:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masses

Perhaps when PS provides a link to common uses of the term prior to Marx we can then agree the term was popularized by the communists instead of invented. But, we still need that link First PS.

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RE: Cops lives don't matter. - 5/12/2015 1:15:55 PM   
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No, get your own fucking link proving me wrong.


That's pretty reasonably safe to say when you're demanding proving a negative.

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