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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Good spot....Wiki let Tweaks edit the page, just to prove you are a tosser............ [8|]

Here is something you apparently dont know, Wiki lets anyone edit their pages [;)]

I proved that someone edited out certain facts that are inconvenient to the Islamist propaganda effort.

Here is something you apparently dont know, Wiki doesnt always let anyone edit their pages. [;)]

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

To me it seems that one side is utterly locked into the view that Israel is made up of 'upstanding citizens who are sort of like ourselves', whereas Palestine is full of 'barbarians, semihumans, animals, terrorists, madmen'.

Or similar. It doesn't matter what the Israelis do to the Palestinians, or vice versa: the former are 'people of our sort', the latter are just not not 'people' in the same sense that *we* are.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

To me it seems that one side is utterly locked into the view that Israel is made up of 'upstanding citizens who are sort of like ourselves', whereas Palestine is full of 'barbarians, semihumans, animals, terrorists, madmen'.

Or similar. It doesn't matter what the Israelis do to the Palestinians, or vice versa: the former are 'people of our sort', the latter are just not not 'people' in the same sense that *we* are.

It's no surprise to find that racism is often at the core of pro-Zionist discourse. To support the Zionist cause, it is necessary to turn a blind eye to Israel's ethnic cleansing and apartheid (two of the worst most odious crimes in the catalogue of racist horrors), the 60 odd pieces of legislation in Israel that openly discriminate against non-Jews and the extraordinary levels of racism that permeate Israeli society from the Prime Minister down.

Astonishingly, some of those Zionist apologists have the temerity to accuse Israel's critics of racism. Don't they realise that any one who glosses over or defends ethnic cleansing and apartheid automatically loses any moral right to accuse others of racism? The level of hypocrisy involved is stratospheric.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

To me it seems that one side is utterly locked into the view that Israel is made up of 'upstanding citizens who are sort of like ourselves', whereas Palestine is full of 'barbarians, semihumans, animals, terrorists, madmen'.

Or similar. It doesn't matter what the Israelis do to the Palestinians, or vice versa: the former are 'people of our sort', the latter are just not not 'people' in the same sense that *we* are.

It's no surprise to find that racism is often at the core of pro-Zionist discourse. To support the Zionist cause, it is necessary to turn a blind eye to Israel's ethnic cleansing and apartheid (two of the worst most odious crimes in the catalogue of racist horrors), the 60 odd pieces of legislation in Israel that openly discriminate against non-Jews and the extraordinary levels of racism that permeate Israeli society from the Prime Minister down.

Astonishingly, some of those Zionist apologists have the temerity to accuse Israel's critics of racism. Don't they realise that any one who glosses over or defends ethnic cleansing and apartheid automatically loses any moral right to accuse others of racism? The level of hypocrisy involved is stratospheric.

Oh yes, ethnic cleansing. Why just recently Isreal was caught smuggling Zyklon B.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/13950

http://www.shabak.gov.il/ENGLISH/ENTERRORDATA/REVIEWS/Pages/SmugglingWeapons.aspx

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28430298

Oh...wait.

Jewish population in Isreal: 6,125,000

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/newpop.html

Arab population Middle East: 390,000,000

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_countries_by_population

Hum....seems that Jewish population is right around some other ethnic cleansing. Where was that and who was cleansed?

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1435


Again, when tweak says zionists, here's what she means.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Zionist&defid=2024242

She's a racist.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Still not got the definition of racist worked out yet Hunter ? It seems to me that it only applies when ypou decree it to be okay.

As for "ethnic cleansing" It has fuck all to do with numbers and everything to do with intent. Just ask the settler movement.

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Still not got the definition of racist worked out yet Hunter ? It seems to me that it only applies when ypou decree it to be okay.

As for "ethnic cleansing" It has fuck all to do with numbers and everything to do with intent. Just ask the settler movement.

Missing the point PS. Just pointing out tweaks racism so people understand it when she spews it. My responses where to her hate speal.

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Someone explain to the him that genocide and ethnic cleansing are not the same thing by any sense of the imagination. He claims to have me blocked so he wont see this.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Someone explain to the him that genocide and ethnic cleansing are not the same thing by any sense of the imagination. He claims to have me blocked so he wont see this.

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The following substantive extract from your link doesnt agree with you. Do you just make shit up as you go along (Rhetorical question, so no reply needed )

Ethnic cleansing is related to genocide, but ethnic cleansing is focused more closely than genocide on geography and on forced removal of ethnic or related groups from particular areas.

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Someone explain to the him that genocide and ethnic cleansing are not the same thing by any sense of the imagination. He claims to have me blocked so he wont see this.

I think they are the same when we consider the result. In other words, is it important how a people are removed from this earth or the fact that they are removed from this earth?

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The following substantive extract from your link doesnt agree with you. Do you just make shit up as you go along (Rhetorical question, so no reply needed )

Ethnic cleansing is related to genocide, but ethnic cleansing is focused more closely than genocide on geography and on forced removal of ethnic or related groups from particular areas.

Lol, you don't get it do you? Or you refuse.

Land mass of Isreal 8,000 sq miles or for you 20,000 sq km.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

It's such a small area that an Ethnic Cleansing (focused more closely on a geography) would look exactly like a genocide. Bama's point is correct which ever words you use. I'm correct in my statement because I said either one would look the same in Isreal (8,000 sq mi) if you must, and you don't see the point only because you're being hard headed. (So no reply necessary) nener nener.

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Someone explain to the him that genocide and ethnic cleansing are not the same thing by any sense of the imagination. He claims to have me blocked so he wont see this.

I think they are the same when we consider the result. In other words, is it important how a people are removed from this earth or the fact that they are removed from this earth?

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Still not got the definition of racist worked out yet Hunter ? It seems to me that it only applies when ypou decree it to be okay.

As for "ethnic cleansing" It has fuck all to do with numbers and everything to do with intent. Just ask the settler movement.

Missing the point PS. Just pointing out tweaks racism so people understand it when she spews it. My responses where to her hate speal.

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I appreciate your post kd.

BTW I can see both sides of the conflict. I have actually praised Israel on a number of occasions here. Nor do I have any problem with Israel existing within its internationally recognised (1967) borders. However there is no need for me to state the pro-Israeli argument, there are others who do that and there is a serious imbalance of perspectives sympathetic to Palestinians in the Western media and particularly in the US media. So I end up presenting things from the other side. If you want to know which parties I support in the conflict, I am a financial and political supporter of this group. Their website is currently undergoing reconstruction so you can find out more about them (if you are so inclined) at their Facebook page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatants_for_Peace

That aside, I do appreciate your change of heart, and your courage and honesty in advising Hunter of the error of his ways. Thank you.

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Someone explain to the him that genocide and ethnic cleansing are not the same thing by any sense of the imagination. He claims to have me blocked so he wont see this.

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I think they are the same when we consider the result. In other words, is it important how a people are removed from this earth or the fact that they are removed from this earth?

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Someone explain to the him that genocide and ethnic cleansing are not the same thing by any sense of the imagination. He claims to have me blocked so he wont see this.

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I think they are the same when we consider the result. In other words, is it important how a people are removed from this earth or the fact that they are removed from this earth?

While there is often a relationship between ethnic cleansing and genocide, they are far from the same thing, and one can exist without the other.

Ethnic cleansing refers to attempts to drive people of a particular race from their land, and can include many tactics that fall well short of the mass murder necessary for a charge of genocide to apply.

Genocide refers to attempts to systematically exterminate a particular race of people, or large groups of a particular race.

For example: Israel uses low intensity ethnic cleansing to drive Palestinians from their ancestral homelands, particularly in the West Bank, without resorting to genocide. However some argue that Israel's attacks on Gaza with its huge levels of civilian deaths, adds up to genocide. Most people would agree that Nazi attempts to exterminate Jews, or Turkish attempts to exterminate Armenians constitute genocide.