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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

You are BEYOND IGNORANT:

The most important achievement in political economy in the Clinton yeas was reducing the federal deficit. Just before his inauguration Clinton held an economic summit in Little Rock, at which academic, business executives, and financiers one after another moaned about how huge federal borrowing to cover debt was making capital too expensive to allow industry to grow. One year later Clinton had rammed through a tax-and -budget bill that turned a chronic deficit into a surplus.

The anti-deficit drive was controversial within the Democratic Party, because Clinton seemed to be truckling to financial markets rather than spending more for education and health. It was bitterly resisted by the Republicans; every single Republican member of Congress voted against the new taxes in the plan. It was an enormous gamble on Clinton's part: he had Al Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. The historical judgment has to be that it paid off, for Clinton, and, of vastly more importance, for the country.

--James Fallows

But two things stick out so far from the normal that they will probably be remembered no matter what happens. One of them is the sheer insensate virulence of his critics. If size can be measured by the lip-frothing frustration of one's enemies, Clinton is right up there with Moby-Dick. The other is the five-minute standing ovation Clinton received at the UN at the height of the Monica madness. The applause couldn't all have been for adultery--not even the applause from the French Ambassador.

And even if, as his critics maintain, its was all a trick both at home and abroad, the trick had worked wonderfully well. But he couldn't have gotten all five minutes without Kenneth Starr.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

You are BEYOND IGNORANT:

The most important achievement in political economy in the Clinton yeas was reducing the federal deficit. Just before his inauguration Clinton held an economic summit in Little Rock, at which academic, business executives, and financiers one after another moaned about how huge federal borrowing to cover debt was making capital too expensive to allow industry to grow. One year later Clinton had rammed through a tax-and -budget bill that turned a chronic deficit into a surplus.

The anti-deficit drive was controversial within the Democratic Party, because Clinton seemed to be truckling to financial markets rather than spending more for education and health. It was bitterly resisted by the Republicans; every single Republican member of Congress voted against the new taxes in the plan. It was an enormous gamble on Clinton's part: he had Al Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. The historical judgment has to be that it paid off, for Clinton, and, of vastly more importance, for the country.

--James Fallows

But two things stick out so far from the normal that they will probably be remembered no matter what happens. One of them is the sheer insensate virulence of his critics. If size can be measured by the lip-frothing frustration of one's enemies, Clinton is right up there with Moby-Dick. The other is the five-minute standing ovation Clinton received at the UN at the height of the Monica madness. The applause couldn't all have been for adultery--not even the applause from the French Ambassador.

And even if, as his critics maintain, its was all a trick both at home and abroad, the trick had worked wonderfully well. But he couldn't have gotten all five minutes without Kenneth Starr.

So his greatest accomplishment was forced on him by the Republicans.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Let's see, $174k a year as senator. Wife must have worked. House in home town, house in Capitol of Florida, house in DC. Pretty expensive. Obviously not trading influence for cash.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Let's see, $174k a year as senator. Wife must have worked. House in home town, house in Capitol of Florida, house in DC. Pretty expensive. Obviously not trading influence for cash.

He would never make it as a Democrat. How much is Harry Reid worth now, compared to when he started his senate career?

How about Hillary... And her career in politics in general.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Let's see, $174k a year as senator. Wife must have worked. House in home town, house in Capitol of Florida, house in DC. Pretty expensive. Obviously not trading influence for cash.

He would never make it as a Democrat. How much is Harry Reid worth now, compared to when he started his senate career?

How about Hillary... And her career in politics in general.

Hey! Don't go ragging on Hillary. Didn't you see she's good when she turned $1,000 into $100k on cattle futures?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

What kind of rube makes 2.38 Million Dollars from 1998-2008 only to come out of that period with a net worth of $53K? That is definition: FUCKED UP.

When did he get his book advance?

2012 it seems.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

You are BEYOND IGNORANT:

The most important achievement in political economy in the Clinton yeas was reducing the federal deficit. Just before his inauguration Clinton held an economic summit in Little Rock, at which academic, business executives, and financiers one after another moaned about how huge federal borrowing to cover debt was making capital too expensive to allow industry to grow. One year later Clinton had rammed through a tax-and -budget bill that turned a chronic deficit into a surplus.

The anti-deficit drive was controversial within the Democratic Party, because Clinton seemed to be truckling to financial markets rather than spending more for education and health. It was bitterly resisted by the Republicans; every single Republican member of Congress voted against the new taxes in the plan. It was an enormous gamble on Clinton's part: he had Al Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. The historical judgment has to be that it paid off, for Clinton, and, of vastly more importance, for the country.

--James Fallows

But two things stick out so far from the normal that they will probably be remembered no matter what happens. One of them is the sheer insensate virulence of his critics. If size can be measured by the lip-frothing frustration of one's enemies, Clinton is right up there with Moby-Dick. The other is the five-minute standing ovation Clinton received at the UN at the height of the Monica madness. The applause couldn't all have been for adultery--not even the applause from the French Ambassador.

And even if, as his critics maintain, its was all a trick both at home and abroad, the trick had worked wonderfully well. But he couldn't have gotten all five minutes without Kenneth Starr.

So his greatest accomplishment was forced on him by the Republicans.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

You are BEYOND IGNORANT:

The most important achievement in political economy in the Clinton yeas was reducing the federal deficit. Just before his inauguration Clinton held an economic summit in Little Rock, at which academic, business executives, and financiers one after another moaned about how huge federal borrowing to cover debt was making capital too expensive to allow industry to grow. One year later Clinton had rammed through a tax-and -budget bill that turned a chronic deficit into a surplus.

The anti-deficit drive was controversial within the Democratic Party, because Clinton seemed to be truckling to financial markets rather than spending more for education and health. It was bitterly resisted by the Republicans; every single Republican member of Congress voted against the new taxes in the plan. It was an enormous gamble on Clinton's part: he had Al Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. The historical judgment has to be that it paid off, for Clinton, and, of vastly more importance, for the country.

--James Fallows

But two things stick out so far from the normal that they will probably be remembered no matter what happens. One of them is the sheer insensate virulence of his critics. If size can be measured by the lip-frothing frustration of one's enemies, Clinton is right up there with Moby-Dick. The other is the five-minute standing ovation Clinton received at the UN at the height of the Monica madness. The applause couldn't all have been for adultery--not even the applause from the French Ambassador.

And even if, as his critics maintain, its was all a trick both at home and abroad, the trick had worked wonderfully well. But he couldn't have gotten all five minutes without Kenneth Starr.

So his greatest accomplishment was forced on him by the Republicans.

The article that you are commenting on says:
"The most important achievement in political economy in the Clinton yeas was reducing the federal deficit. ........The anti-deficit drive was controversial within the Democratic Party, because Clinton seemed to be truckling to financial markets rather than spending more for education and health. It was bitterly resisted by the Republicans; every single Republican member of Congress voted against the new taxes in the plan."

Somehow you have managed to find this conclusion in those words: "So his greatest accomplishment was forced on him by the Republicans." Please note the bit above I have bolded, which seems to directly contradict your conclusion.

I am forced to conclude that either (a) you regard as 5 minute ovation at the UN as a greater "accomplishment" than turning the Federal Budget deficit into a surplus; or (b) you have completely misread/misunderstood the article, or possibly both (a) and (b). I am hoping there is another explanation that I have somehow missed.

IF there is please point it out to me. Because as things stand I am unable to see how it's possible to arrive at your conclusion (rationally) unless either or both (a) and (b) apply.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

You are BEYOND IGNORANT:

The most important achievement in political economy in the Clinton yeas was reducing the federal deficit. Just before his inauguration Clinton held an economic summit in Little Rock, at which academic, business executives, and financiers one after another moaned about how huge federal borrowing to cover debt was making capital too expensive to allow industry to grow. One year later Clinton had rammed through a tax-and -budget bill that turned a chronic deficit into a surplus.

The anti-deficit drive was controversial within the Democratic Party, because Clinton seemed to be truckling to financial markets rather than spending more for education and health. It was bitterly resisted by the Republicans; every single Republican member of Congress voted against the new taxes in the plan. It was an enormous gamble on Clinton's part: he had Al Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. The historical judgment has to be that it paid off, for Clinton, and, of vastly more importance, for the country.

--James Fallows

But two things stick out so far from the normal that they will probably be remembered no matter what happens. One of them is the sheer insensate virulence of his critics. If size can be measured by the lip-frothing frustration of one's enemies, Clinton is right up there with Moby-Dick. The other is the five-minute standing ovation Clinton received at the UN at the height of the Monica madness. The applause couldn't all have been for adultery--not even the applause from the French Ambassador.

And even if, as his critics maintain, its was all a trick both at home and abroad, the trick had worked wonderfully well. But he couldn't have gotten all five minutes without Kenneth Starr.

So his greatest accomplishment was forced on him by the Republicans.

The article that you are commenting on says:
"The most important achievement in political economy in the Clinton yeas was reducing the federal deficit. ........The anti-deficit drive was controversial within the Democratic Party, because Clinton seemed to be truckling to financial markets rather than spending more for education and health. It was bitterly resisted by the Republicans; every single Republican member of Congress voted against the new taxes in the plan."

Somehow you have managed to find this conclusion in those words: "So his greatest accomplishment was forced on him by the Republicans." Please note the bit above I have bolded, which seems to directly contradict your conclusion.

I am forced to conclude that either (a) you regard as 5 minute ovation at the UN as a greater "accomplishment" than turning the Federal Budget deficit into a surplus; or (b) you have completely misread/misunderstood the article, or possibly both (a) and (b). I am hoping there is another explanation that I have somehow missed.

IF there is please point it out to me. Because as things stand I am unable to see how it's possible to arrive at your conclusion (rationally) unless either or both (a) and (b) apply.

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Let us establish one point definitively: Bill Clinton didn’t balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution.

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Now let us contrast this with the Clinton fiscal record. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan — a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as “pure demagoguery.” It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP’s balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that “balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities.”

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Hilarious. Now opposing something tooth and nail equals forcing its acceptance!

All I can say is wow! I wonder what enables such wondrous feats of intellectual gymnastics? Can I have 50 please?

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Let us establish one point definitively: Bill Clinton didn’t balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution.

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Now let us contrast this with the Clinton fiscal record. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan — a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as “pure demagoguery.” It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP’s balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that “balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities.”

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Hilarious. Now opposing something tooth and nail equals forcing its acceptance!

All I can say is wow! I wonder what enables such wondrous feats of intellectual gymnastics? Can I have 50 please?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Hilarious. Now opposing something tooth and nail equals forcing its acceptance!

All I can say is wow! I wonder what enables such wondrous feats of intellectual gymnastics? Can I have 50 please?

Clinton opposed it tooth and nail, the Republicans forced him to accept it so no there is no claim that A = B. I thought that they spoke English down under.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Hilarious. Now opposing something tooth and nail equals forcing its acceptance!

All I can say is wow! I wonder what enables such wondrous feats of intellectual gymnastics? Can I have 50 please?

Clinton opposed it tooth and nail, the Republicans forced him to accept it so no there is no claim that A = B. I thought that they spoke English down under.

It's a nice day out. I'm gonna fling some hot lead down range and contemplate exactly how much hate it takes in a persons heart to read clearly written language and twist it to a prejudiced viewpoint. It's so sad to waste any mind, even a little one. I'm working on a load for my 22-250. It already does a quarter of minute of angle and I'm fascinated with what I might be able to wring from it as a pure production rifle.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Hilarious. Now opposing something tooth and nail equals forcing its acceptance!

All I can say is wow! I wonder what enables such wondrous feats of intellectual gymnastics? Can I have 50 please?

Clinton opposed it tooth and nail, the Republicans forced him to accept it so no there is no claim that A = B. I thought that they spoke English down under.

It's a nice day out. I'm gonna fling some hot lead down range and contemplate exactly how much hate it takes in a persons heart to read clearly written language and twist it to a prejudiced viewpoint. It's so sad to waste any mind, even a little one. I'm working on a load for my 22-250. It already does a quarter of minute of angle and I'm fascinated with what I might be able to wring from it as a pure production rifle.

Careful the new regs that the administration wants to put in makes it illegal to post such information without government approval.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Hilarious. Now opposing something tooth and nail equals forcing its acceptance!

All I can say is wow! I wonder what enables such wondrous feats of intellectual gymnastics? Can I have 50 please?

Clinton opposed it tooth and nail, the Republicans forced him to accept it so no there is no claim that A = B. I thought that they spoke English down under.

It's a nice day out. I'm gonna fling some hot lead down range and contemplate exactly how much hate it takes in a persons heart to read clearly written language and twist it to a prejudiced viewpoint. It's so sad to waste any mind, even a little one. I'm working on a load for my 22-250. It already does a quarter of minute of angle and I'm fascinated with what I might be able to wring from it as a pure production rifle.

Careful the new regs that the administration wants to put in makes it illegal to post such information without government approval.

I saw that. The most open Administration ever is changing a law to make it required to submit and obtain approval before disseminating information. Then, of course, they never respond to the submisttals effectively controlling the information available. It's very Stalinistic. I'm sure Tweaka would approve.

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I saw that. The most open Administration ever is changing a law to make it required to submit and obtain approval before disseminating information. Then, of course, they never respond to the submisttals effectively controlling the information available. It's very Stalinistic. I'm sure Tweaka would approve.

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"I think the great irony of this whole situation is that you know a high percentage of my fellow Republicans and a high percentage of folks back home distrust the president, but it's fascinating that a higher percentage of Democrats distrust him," says Rep. Frank Lucas, R-Okla.