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BamaD -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (5/31/2015 9:03:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

No women in the Senate voted against the act. In fact, it was cosponsored by all but one of them.

Which proves nothing.

Which proves that among women, the people whose lot the legislation was designed to improve, the legislation enjoyed wide support.

I don't know if there are any GOP women Senators, but if there are, and they voted for the legislation, that would seem to be pretty significant.


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DesideriScuri
Every single one of them may have had similar, and valid, reasons to oppose the reauthorization. Rather than trying to understand why, you're content to just bash them with opposing a bill title. If any one of them is a misogynist, and that is why he opposed it, I'll join you in bashing them for it.

DS, is Rubio on the record as highlighting the provisions of the VAWA that extended protection to same sex relationships among the reasons for his opposition? If it was, that would be, in my book, quite significant too

I will refine my statement, it proves nothing about the value of the bill.
Any woman standing against it would be committing political suicide, so supporting it was self preservation and not automatically related to the value of the bill.




HunterCA -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/1/2015 11:55:31 AM)

Interesting to see Obama people agreeing with the Devil (Karl Rove)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/opinions/pfeiffer-democrats-more-candidates-the-better/?iid=ob_article_topstories_pool&iref=obnetwork





mnottertail -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/1/2015 1:04:36 PM)

Thats trivial. That notion did not originate with Karl Rove.




Sanity -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/2/2015 10:21:46 PM)



From POLITICO:

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Marco Rubio rise sets collision course with Jeb Bush

Once a junior figure on Florida’s political scene, Rubio is now poised to give Jeb a tough challenge in their home state.


LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — Jeb Bush’s presidential run in Florida was supposed to be a coronation. Instead, it’s shaping up as a momentous clash against his one-time protégé, Marco Rubio.

At a Republican presidential forum here on Tuesday, many of the state’s well-heeled lobbyists, elite business leaders and grizzled power-brokers — some of them longtime Bush friends and allies — expressed a growing sense that the former governor was losing momentum in Florida’s all-important, winner-take-all March primary.

The likely beneficiary: Rubio, a once-junior figure on the state’s bare-knuckled political scene who — with his powerful rhetorical style, fresh political image and compelling personal story — is proving his mettle on the national stage.

“People here have been surprised by his staying power. They thought he’d be done,” said Adam McKinnon, a Republican consultant and Rubio supporter who is the grandson of former Florida GOP Sen. Paula Hawkins. “Marco is a more mature person than they remember. They remember him as a kid who won a state House seat.”

In private conversations, some said that after favoring the former governor early on, they were now taking a more serious look at the senator. One business leader, who requested anonymity for fear of alienating Bush, said there was an increasing sense that Rubio was simply a better communicator — and one who would carry the party’s banner more effectively in the general election.

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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/marco-rubio-rise-jeb-bush-collision-florida-118569.html#ixzz3byPi98Xv






bounty44 -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 3:40:21 AM)

I wonder to what extent state demographics will play a role in which way the state ends up going.

their political positions aside for a moment, Rubio gives a much younger "feel" and i wonder if that's an attractive thing to the older people in florida, or a less attractive thing.




JVoV -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 3:40:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I will refine my statement, it proves nothing about the value of the bill.
Any woman standing against it would be committing political suicide, so supporting it was self preservation and not automatically related to the value of the bill.


I disagree emphatically. VAWA could have easily been opposed by any of it's 3 female Republican cosponsors, if there were any rational reasoning to do so. And it would have been much more genuine coming from a woman.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 6:22:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I will refine my statement, it proves nothing about the value of the bill.
Any woman standing against it would be committing political suicide, so supporting it was self preservation and not automatically related to the value of the bill.

I disagree emphatically. VAWA could have easily been opposed by any of it's 3 female Republican cosponsors, if there were any rational reasoning to do so. And it would have been much more genuine coming from a woman.


Biden even said it was named so as to guilt people into voting for it.

Not every woman in Congress voted for it, either.




JVoV -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 2:11:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I will refine my statement, it proves nothing about the value of the bill.
Any woman standing against it would be committing political suicide, so supporting it was self preservation and not automatically related to the value of the bill.

I disagree emphatically. VAWA could have easily been opposed by any of it's 3 female Republican cosponsors, if there were any rational reasoning to do so. And it would have been much more genuine coming from a woman.


Biden even said it was named so as to guilt people into voting for it.

Not every woman in Congress voted for it, either.



I'm not sure that Biden said that exactly, but it is kinda blatant. (See Patriot Act, Freedom Act, etc).

And every woman in the Senate did vote for it. All but one co-sponsored it. That's already been discussed in this thread, but please feel free to name a female in the House that didn't, along with a link explaining why. It would be interesting to see if she's still in office.




BamaD -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 2:59:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I will refine my statement, it proves nothing about the value of the bill.
Any woman standing against it would be committing political suicide, so supporting it was self preservation and not automatically related to the value of the bill.

I disagree emphatically. VAWA could have easily been opposed by any of it's 3 female Republican cosponsors, if there were any rational reasoning to do so. And it would have been much more genuine coming from a woman.


Biden even said it was named so as to guilt people into voting for it.

Not every woman in Congress voted for it, either.



I'm not sure that Biden said that exactly, but it is kinda blatant. (See Patriot Act, Freedom Act, etc).

And every woman in the Senate did vote for it. All but one co-sponsored it. That's already been discussed in this thread, but please feel free to name a female in the House that didn't, along with a link explaining why. It would be interesting to see if she's still in office.

So you agree with my earlier statement that some of the women who voted for it did so as much out of a sense of self preservation as anything else?




JVoV -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 8:07:50 PM)

I already answered that directly here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4811561/mpage_7/tm.htm#

Going in circles makes me dizzy.




JVoV -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 8:18:38 PM)

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/02/women-betrayed-nine-female-house-republicans-vote-against-the-violence-against-women-act.html

UPDATED – Women betrayed: TEN female House Republicans vote against the Violence Against Women Act

Here’s the list of female members of Congress who voted against protecting women from domestic violence and other forms of violence against women:


Michele Bachman (MN-06)
Diane Black (TN-06)
Marsha Blackburn (TN-07)
Renee Ellmers (NC-02)
Virginia Foxx (NC-05)
Vicky Hartlzer (MO-04)
Cynthia Lummis (WY)
Kristi Noem (SD)
Martha Roby (AL-02)
Ann Wagner (MO-02)

Let’s give these brave women a hand shall we? Rather than making sure that women in this country are protected from violence, they stayed loyal to the hateful ideology of the Republican Party, did their part in the Republican War on Women and tried to ensure that those protections would never come to be.

And as of now:
Bachman out
Black still in
Blackburn still in
Ellmers still in
Foxx still in
Hartzler still in
Lummis still in
Noem still in
Roby still in
Wagner still in




BamaD -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 8:32:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/02/women-betrayed-nine-female-house-republicans-vote-against-the-violence-against-women-act.html

UPDATED – Women betrayed: TEN female House Republicans vote against the Violence Against Women Act

Here’s the list of female members of Congress who voted against protecting women from domestic violence and other forms of violence against women:


Michele Bachman (MN-06)
Diane Black (TN-06)
Marsha Blackburn (TN-07)
Renee Ellmers (NC-02)
Virginia Foxx (NC-05)
Vicky Hartlzer (MO-04)
Cynthia Lummis (WY)
Kristi Noem (SD)
Martha Roby (AL-02)
Ann Wagner (MO-02)

Let’s give these brave women a hand shall we? Rather than making sure that women in this country are protected from violence, they stayed loyal to the hateful ideology of the Republican Party, did their part in the Republican War on Women and tried to ensure that those protections would never come to be.

And as of now:
Bachman out
Black still in
Blackburn still in
Ellmers still in
Foxx still in
Hartzler still in
Lummis still in
Noem still in
Roby still in
Wagner still in

Bachman quit. And my representative is pretty safe.
Have you considered that it wasn't a betrayal so much as a disagreement?
So the only one gone quit on their own, they were representing their districts weren't they?




BamaD -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 8:37:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I will refine my statement, it proves nothing about the value of the bill.
Any woman standing against it would be committing political suicide, so supporting it was self preservation and not automatically related to the value of the bill.


I disagree emphatically. VAWA could have easily been opposed by any of it's 3 female Republican cosponsors, if there were any rational reasoning to do so. And it would have been much more genuine coming from a woman.

Now you are saying opposition from a woman would be more damning yet lower on this page you call it betrayal for women to oppose it.




Sanity -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 8:39:28 PM)


Damn, your rhetoric would suggest they voted for Shariah law

Women in this country ARE protected against violence. You seem a bit hysterical here




JVoV -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 8:42:16 PM)

I didn't write it, just copied from the link. Had to actually dig for it too. You'd think Feminazis would be more organized.

Of course, had you (Bama or Sanity) bothered to click the link, that would be obvious.




Sanity -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 8:50:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I didn't write it, just copied from the link. Had to actually dig for it too. You'd think Feminazis would be more organized.

Of course, had you (Bama or Sanity) bothered to click the link, that would be obvious.


It would be even more obvious if you did something in your post to indicate you were quoting someone




JVoV -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/3/2015 10:02:07 PM)

I think I do ok, considering I'm on mobile.

Either way, it's a bit dubious to look at House votes because there was a GOP version of VAWA in the house, which didn't include the updates in the Senate version, which is ultimately what passed. They may have voted for the GOP House version, and still opposed elements in the final version. So obviously, since the GOP version wasn't approved, the same Feminazi rhetoric could be used against female Democrats in the House voting against that version, while the lady GOPs may have voted for it, before they voted against it.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/4/2015 7:19:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I will refine my statement, it proves nothing about the value of the bill.
Any woman standing against it would be committing political suicide, so supporting it was self preservation and not automatically related to the value of the bill.

I disagree emphatically. VAWA could have easily been opposed by any of it's 3 female Republican cosponsors, if there were any rational reasoning to do so. And it would have been much more genuine coming from a woman.

Biden even said it was named so as to guilt people into voting for it.
Not every woman in Congress voted for it, either.

I'm not sure that Biden said that exactly, but it is kinda blatant. (See Patriot Act, Freedom Act, etc).
And every woman in the Senate did vote for it. All but one co-sponsored it. That's already been discussed in this thread, but please feel free to name a female in the House that didn't, along with a link explaining why. It would be interesting to see if she's still in office.


Guess what! You're in luck! I just so happen to know that there was a linky-poo already in this thread somewhere. You have the power to find it yourself! I want to say thishereboi linked it as a rebuttal to your claim that no female Senators voted opposed. I think she misread you as saying no female in Congress.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/4/2015 7:28:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Here’s the list of female members of Congress who voted against protecting women from domestic violence and other forms of violence against women:


Any proof that's what they were voting against? I've already shown you that Rubio and Paul didn't vote against "protecting women from domestic violence and other forms of violence against women."

Any proof that's what those 10 female Representatives were voting against?




BamaD -> RE: Who Is Afraid Of Marco Rubio (6/4/2015 8:50:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I think I do ok, considering I'm on mobile.

Either way, it's a bit dubious to look at House votes because there was a GOP version of VAWA in the house, which didn't include the updates in the Senate version, which is ultimately what passed. They may have voted for the GOP House version, and still opposed elements in the final version. So obviously, since the GOP version wasn't approved, the same Feminazi rhetoric could be used against female Democrats in the House voting against that version, while the lady GOPs may have voted for it, before they voted against it.

We are back to purity of motivation for people who voted yes and evil or unknowable reasons for voting against it.




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