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I haven't been following the thread and I might be missing some of the context/timing when I say what I am about to say---the democratic party platform and the communist party platform share a great deal in common.
ive mentioned this before here and some of the forum comrades got all bent out of shape over that.
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That was the theme of Horowitz’s speech as he continued: how the communists had taken over the Democratic Party. “The communist party is the Democratic Party,” Horowitz stated. “In The Great Gatsby, [F. Scott] Fitzgerald describes the rich as people who break things and leave them for others to clean up. That is a wonderful description of the left.” Horowitz, who began as a radical Marxist, said that the modern left had learned stealth from their failures in the 1960s: “The left have learned from the 1960s…we in the 1960s didn’t want to pretend to be Jeffersonian democrats…That’s why we failed in the 1960s. That’s why they’ve succeeded now.”
But the right, Horowitz pointed out, has failed to acknowledge that reality. On Obamacare, for example, Horowitz railed against the language used by the left: “single-payer.” Instead, he said, “it is communism,” pointing out that it was state ownership of the means of production. He added, “The left hate the Constitution because Madison designed it to thwart them.”...
Horowitz summed up pessimistically: “We are within reach of a totalitarian state in this country…These are very very dark days for this country.” But, Horowitz held out hope: “there’s been an earthquake on the conservative side since I switched sides…the tea party is the earthquake. The best thing that Republicans can do is stop the fratricide.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2013/11/12/horowitz-blasts-left-heritage/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962342/posts
Wow... This Horowitz guy beats some of the most moronic posts I have seen on here. Is there such a thing as a super moron? If there is, then David Horowitz embodies super-moronism.
Who reads this stuff?
He starts off with healthcare. A topic he knows nothing about. Single-payer is Communism???
Why do you say that? I might ask :)
His answer: "State ownership of the means of production" Ummmm....
Does he know what single-payer is??? Does he know that health insurance is NOT production?
I am no expert on Marx, but this guy clearly isn't either. Nor is he an expert on anything.
Obama, Horowitz claimed, is a deep believer in this concept, all the way down to his carpet in the Oval Office, which assures those who enter that the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice. “Leftism is a crypto-religion,” he explained. “They see themselves as a savior. People who believe that redemption will take place in this life and I will be a part of it, that’s Hitler. That’s Mao…That’s the American left.”
Yes. It's Obama's carpet that represents seeing himself as a savior. How profound!
Third, Horowitz said that the left was characterized by “alienation from this country… What weakens America is actually good.” Horowitz cited the Obama administration’s eager withdrawal from Iraq as evidence of that proposition:
Yes. Obama withdrew from Iraq to weaken America, because it's good! Nothing to do with the fact that his predecessor signed a deal for our troops to leave. No.
Nothing to do with the fact, that there was no exit strategy when we went in there. Nope.
Nothing to do, with the fact that there was noting militarily to accomplish at that point for our troops that would help long-term Iraqi stability. Nope.
Obama was thinking, "I want to weaken America, because it's good!"
People actually read this stuff and drink this kool-aid. I haven't met one, but I have seen them on TV!
As previously commented on, David Horowitz is an expert on communism. If you don't understand that what he is saying is literal, perhaps that's why you don't understand people in this country do want it to fall. Maybe you should investigate.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/just-radical-people-influenced-barack-hussein-obama/
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Throughout his life, Obama worked with and for a variety of prominent communists and socialists. He served on numerous boards – such as the Woods Fund — with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, who calls himself a “small c communist.”
Obama launched his first campaign with a fundraiser at Bill Ayers’ house.
Obama’s father was a socialist economist for the Kenyan Government. His white mother was raised by socialists.
His African grandparents were socialists.
In Obama’s own biography, he says his main mentor from age 8 to 18 was Frank Marshall Davis, a card-carrying Communist Party leader (Party #47544) who hated everything America stood for. Davis practically raised Obama since, contrary to popular mythology, his father NEVER lived with him and his mother pretty much abandoned him. Moreover, Davis was involved in espionage against the West, as his FBI file indicates. Go here to read portions of it.
Lots of people who have known him in the past say he was always hard core communist. It upset them the news media gave him so little vetting during two presidential campaigns. But, the media wouldn't out him. There have even been comments from conservative professors who worked with him at U. Of C.
Haven't seen the carpet, no comment.
What weakens the U.S. Is a normal tenant of the far left. It stems from the theory that the "Western (old white men) Imperialism (their words) from 1500 to 1800" enslaved all of the brown people in the world and that has created all of the evil in the world. That, not until all of the brown people in the world have equal stuff to what the U.S. has will there be Justice in the world. It's, in their mind, easier to destroy the U.S. (They expect a workers revolution...reference MNwhatever yesterday will do it). America, in their mind is the imperialist now and must be toppled for true Justice to come to the world. No shit MJ. Not kidding. Obama, if you payed attention believes the U.S. Must withdraw from the world, loss it's place and stop being imperialist, and become no more or no less than any country. He doesn't want the US to be a world policeman. He ran on ending the wars. The reason he won't fix ISIS is because he believes that would be imperialism.
Obama could have kept troops in Iraq for stability but he believes that would be imperialist. Come on MJ, his entire campaing revolved around getting out of the Middle East. He doesn't believe we should be there and it would just be enslaving the the brown people through colonization if we stayed.
Obama could have kept troops in Iraq for stability but he believes that would be imperialist. Come on MJ, his entire campaing revolved around getting out of the Middle East. He doesn't believe we should be there and it would just be enslaving the the brown people through colonization if we stayed.
No... U.S. Troops remaining in Iraq, would provide no lasting stability. The surge, which included bribing the Sunnis not to attack us, was getting old. Sunnis were still disaffected in a Shia-controlled government, and ripe for Al Qaeda, ISIS, or whomever, even MUCH MORE so as U.S. troops become a target. Our military is designed to fight wars, not to provide stability. Providing stability is a diplomatic and political mission. (Not a military one).
He doesn't believe we should be there and it would just be enslaving the the brown people through colonization if we stayed.
Interesting. And you know what he believes?
One other comment... I call B.S. on Obama, who now says he wanted to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq, but didn't ONLY because Bush signed an agreement to remove all forces. He CAMPAIGNED on removing troops from Iraq! He is getting a bit revisionist.
I know what he's stated he believes:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem.html
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What then is Obama’s dream? We don’t have to speculate because the President tells us himself in his autobiography, Dreams from My Father. According to Obama, his dream is his father’s dream. Notice that his title is not Dreams of My Father but rather Dreams from My Father. Obama isn’t writing about his father’s dreams; he is writing about the dreams he received from his father.
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Anticolonialism is the doctrine that rich countries of the West got rich by invading, occupying and looting poor countries of Asia, Africa and South America. As one of Obama’s acknowledged intellectual influences, Frantz Fanon, wrote in The Wretched of the Earth, “The well-being and progress of Europe have been built up with the sweat and the dead bodies of Negroes, Arabs, Indians and the yellow races.”
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It may seem incredible to suggest that the anticolonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr. is espoused by his son, the President of the United States. That is what I am saying. From a very young age and through his formative years, Obama learned to see America as a force for global domination and destruction. He came to view America’s military as an instrument of neocolonial occupation. He adopted his father’s position that capitalism and free markets are code words for economic plunder. Obama grew to perceive the rich as an oppressive class, a kind of neocolonial power within America. In his worldview, profits are a measure of how effectively you have ripped off the rest of society, and America’s power in the world is a measure of how selfishly it consumes the globe’s resources and how ruthlessly it bullies and dominates the rest of the planet.
So your point is, the autobiography he wrote in 1995 is evidence that he wanted to pull out of Iraq and not leave troops there, BECAUSE he felt it "colonial" to do so, and in spite of that desire, negotiated with the Iraqis to leave troops there anyway.
Sorry, if I don't buy it.
MJ, here is your third post that shows you didn't understand what I'd answered with my book link. I think I was very polite not to tell you that it was you who was confusing questions and just went ahead and answered this with the link.
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