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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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Granted about population. Yet what is the population of Pittsburg compared to Canada. And, why am I paying the same as people in France while they have a 30% deductible and I dont. And I don't have to wisit until the government decides what I need. The last point alone is crazy to me. The concept that the State gets between me and my doctor is...well it's actually contrary to Roe vs Wade.

The govt in Canada doesnt get between the patient and the doctor.. if the doctor feels you need some test or operation then you get it, the govt doesnt keep you from getting it or decide what you need..

While you talk about Roe vs Wade, I just read about how many clinics here in TX have been shut down by your govt.. so what is all this you are talking about being crazy??? Thank gawd Canada doesnt keep dragging women & women's rights back into the dark ages like the govt in the US does..

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/federal-court-texas-law-will-close-majority-abortion-clinics

Excuse me, I may have misunderstood. Didn't you say,"if there is no compelling reason for them to be going to the US the province will say no, wait your turn in our system or pay it yourself." Isn't the Province the government?

A "compelling reason" might be if its a procedure that a Canadian doctor doesnt do or in a timely manner, such as critical medical surgery (which does sometimes get sent to other provinces or the US and paid for by the province). Knee surgery wouldnt qualify, if someone wants to jump the cue & get it done in the US or some other country, they do it on their own dime.. The govt doesnt tell a doctor or a patient what medical services they need.

When you go to a US doctor dont you have to wait your turn there too? Lots of Americans go outside the US for medical treatment too, medical tourism is a growing global industry.. In the US what stops people from getting medical care is the cost (even the cost of the deductibles).. under your system, its your insurance corps and govt that even dictate who your doctor can & cant be.. Is your insurance corp your friend??? I dont think so..

When I need, or want a doctor I call and make an appointment. Sometimes, if I say, actually only twice in my life, I wonder if I shouldn't come in now, they always say yes. But, there are also urgent care centers all over. I have two within 45 minute drive, where it's completely walk in and you're seen on a first come first serve basis. When using one I've never waited more then 30 minutes. They take my insurance and I've actually taken people to one that had no insurance that were treated and sent off with a bill and a promise to pay. I don't know where your getting your concept of our system, but here it's easy to get seen and treated immediately.

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Once communists get their prized single-payer system, by virtue of the fact that all funding comes from the state, the state does have control of the means of production. Has it by the balls.

As an example of this, in the UK right now theres a row going on about providing evening and weekend healthcare. Its all up to the state (and the unions) due to funding concerns. Nurse pay there is shit btw, compared to here.

And they are short physicians.

Re Iraq, the Iraqis pleaded for us to help stave off ISIS but Obama yawned and went golfing rather than help when the need was urgent. As a result Obamas fawning media has to work overtime to ignore the screams and rivers of blood coming from the region

Valid point to debate government employed healthcare workers. Your link is interesting because it has David Cameron, the Conservative party leader, wanting to extend government-provided free primary care, and proposing to cut nurse wages to help fund it.

Nurse pay in the UK seems just fine.

From http://allnurses.com/international-nursing/difference-between-nursing-189164-page8.html

Starting pay for nurses in the UK is �19,166 which is staring band 5 money for a registered nurse, before you get your registeration you get paid at band 3 which is �14,037.

Hope this helps.
but it doesn't take account of the unsocial hours payments

+ 30% for night shifts, hours worked after2000 hrs if not part of a night shift and any hours on saturday

+60% for sundays and bank holidays

Those numbers are in Pounds. SEIU can't get nurses that much pay for a starting slary here in the US. 30% bonus for night shifts? 60% bonus for Sundays and Holidays!!!!!

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When I need, or want a doctor I call and make an appointment. Sometimes, if I say, actually only twice in my life, I wonder if I shouldn't come in now, they always say yes. But, there are also urgent care centers all over. I have two within 45 minute drive, where it's completely walk in and you're seen on a first come first serve basis. When using one I've never waited more then 30 minutes. They take my insurance and I've actually taken people to one that had no insurance that were treated and sent off with a bill and a promise to pay. I don't know where your getting your concept of our system, but here it's easy to get seen and treated immediately.

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When you see them for the first time, doctors here, (especially younger ones), tend to ask a lot of questions that aren't immediately related to the issue at hand. They tell me they are trying to build a holistic picture of who their patients are and what kind of lifestyle they are living, a picture that will inform the treatment they prescribe.

So personally I would be happier with a new doctor asking me all those seemingly irrelevant questions because I feel they will get a clearer picture of who I am and which treatment, if any, will be most appropriate for me. Specialists on the other hand tend to be more distant and formal, all business ......

FWIW, I have never had to pay for a GP visit in my life and hopefully I never will.

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When you see them for the first time, doctors here, (especially younger ones), tend to ask a lot of questions that aren't immediately related to the issue at hand. They tell me they are trying to build a holistic picture of who their patients are and what kind of lifestyle they are living, a picture that will inform the treatment they prescribe.

So personally I would be happier with a new doctor asking me all those seemingly irrelevant questions because I feel they will get a clearer picture of who I am and which treatment, if any, will be most appropriate for me. Specialists on the other hand tend to be more distant and formal, all business ......

FWIW, I have never had to pay for a GP visit in my life and hopefully I never will.

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All of you sound like drug pushers on the street corner. There is absolutely no reason the government needs, or should, be involved with my health care.

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All of you sound like drug pushers on the street corner. There is absolutely no reason the government needs, or should, be involved with my health care.

Right, Hunter, listen, it isn't the government. It's the community. We have decided that it is a good idea for the nation to be in good health, in the same way some people decide it is a good idea to have a strong defence.

You tell me, are you happy going along with a system to which you contribute ran by the government? i.e. defence.

Personally, it's been a long time since I was in hit in the face by an Iranian bomb, and I think it's a sham. Whereas I see health and education issues everyday. Seeing is believing is my philosophy.

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All of you sound like drug pushers on the street corner. There is absolutely no reason the government needs, or should, be involved with my health care.

Right, Hunter, listen, it isn't the government. It's the community. We have decided that it is a good idea for the nation to be in good health, in the same way some people decide it is a good idea to have a strong defence.

You tell me, are you happy going along with a system to which you contribute ran by the government? i.e. defence.

Personally, it's been a long time since I was in hit in the face by an Iranian bomb, and I think it's a sham. Whereas I see health and education issues everyday. Seeing is believing is my philosophy.

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All of you sound like drug pushers on the street corner. There is absolutely no reason the government needs, or should, be involved with my health care.

Right, Hunter, listen, it isn't the government. It's the community. We have decided that it is a good idea for the nation to be in good health, in the same way some people decide it is a good idea to have a strong defence.

You tell me, are you happy going along with a system to which you contribute ran by the government? i.e. defence.

Personally, it's been a long time since I was in hit in the face by an Iranian bomb, and I think it's a sham. Whereas I see health and education issues everyday. Seeing is believing is my philosophy.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

All of you sound like drug pushers on the street corner. There is absolutely no reason the government needs, or should, be involved with my health care.

Right, Hunter, listen, it isn't the government. It's the community. We have decided that it is a good idea for the nation to be in good health, in the same way some people decide it is a good idea to have a strong defence.

You tell me, are you happy going along with a system to which you contribute ran by the government? i.e. defence.

Personally, it's been a long time since I was in hit in the face by an Iranian bomb, and I think it's a sham. Whereas I see health and education issues everyday. Seeing is believing is my philosophy.

Defense is in my constitution. Health Care is not. I don't want any government usurpation of the constitution. Or I should say any more. I might add that Europe is used to being controlled by the government. The U.S. was the First Nation that put people above the government and is like it to stay that way. It's philosophical at best now because we're pretty far down that slippery slope, but I'll stick with the philosophy.

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I've never paid for a GP visit (except taxes), and I would have to be very seriously ill or a member of my family be very seriously ill in order to be prepared to jump the queue.

In my view, jumping the queue is not in the spirit of a National Health Service unless needs must, in a dire situation.

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All of you sound like drug pushers on the street corner. There is absolutely no reason the government needs, or should, be involved with my health care.

Right, Hunter, listen, it isn't the government. It's the community. We have decided that it is a good idea for the nation to be in good health, in the same way some people decide it is a good idea to have a strong defence.

You tell me, are you happy going along with a system to which you contribute ran by the government? i.e. defence.

Personally, it's been a long time since I was in hit in the face by an Iranian bomb, and I think it's a sham. Whereas I see health and education issues everyday. Seeing is believing is my philosophy.

Oh and NG, on another thread they're discussing mandated euthanasia. When your "community" decides to put you down will you go like cattle?

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All of you sound like drug pushers on the street corner. There is absolutely no reason the government needs, or should, be involved with my health care.

Right, Hunter, listen, it isn't the government. It's the community. We have decided that it is a good idea for the nation to be in good health, in the same way some people decide it is a good idea to have a strong defence.

You tell me, are you happy going along with a system to which you contribute ran by the government? i.e. defence.

Personally, it's been a long time since I was in hit in the face by an Iranian bomb, and I think it's a sham. Whereas I see health and education issues everyday. Seeing is believing is my philosophy.

Your NSA is too broke to stay open evenings and weekends, your nurses are grossly underpaid and are threatening strikes, you have substantial physician shortages, and things arent getting better. Your socialist dream is barely scraping by, and if the USA hadnt paid the lions share of your defense bill during WW II and the cold war you wouldnt be doing as well as you are now.

When looked at through a normal lens theres not much of a recommendation anywhere for anyone to follow in your path

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I've never paid for a GP visit (except taxes), and I would have to be very seriously ill or a member of my family be very seriously ill in order to be prepared to jump the queue.

In my view, jumping the queue is not in the spirit of a National Health Service unless needs must, in a dire situation.

Taxes are a real expense. How long has your economy been circling the drain?

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Isn't Euthanasia a personal choice? Dunno, it's not legal here.

No one here has been 'put down'. People here have a hard time putting a dog down after it's savaged something.

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All of you sound like drug pushers on the street corner. There is absolutely no reason the government needs, or should, be involved with my health care.

Right, Hunter, listen, it isn't the government. It's the community. We have decided that it is a good idea for the nation to be in good health, in the same way some people decide it is a good idea to have a strong defence.

You tell me, are you happy going along with a system to which you contribute ran by the government? i.e. defence.

Personally, it's been a long time since I was in hit in the face by an Iranian bomb, and I think it's a sham. Whereas I see health and education issues everyday. Seeing is believing is my philosophy.

Oh and NG, on another thread they're discussing mandated euthanasia. When your "community" decides to put you down will you go like cattle?

Isn't Euthanasia a personal choice? Dunno, it's not legal here.

No one here has been 'put down'. People here have a hard time putting a dog down after it's savaged something.

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Isn't Euthanasia a personal choice? Dunno, it's not legal here.

No one here has been 'put down'. People here have a hard time putting a dog down after it's savaged something.

End of life care has a lower priority is the thing.

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Not yet, no. But you miss the point. When they decide a treatment that is offered here, say for cancer, is to expensive there, they don't provide it. And I read, correct me if I'm wrong, that there even if a person can afford it for themselves they still won't offer it because it's not "fair" to others in the system. If that's not putting people down for "fairness" I don't know what is.