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HunterCA -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 4:33:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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Granted about population. Yet what is the population of Pittsburg compared to Canada. And, why am I paying the same as people in France while they have a 30% deductible and I dont. And I don't have to wisit until the government decides what I need. The last point alone is crazy to me. The concept that the State gets between me and my doctor is...well it's actually contrary to Roe vs Wade.

The govt in Canada doesnt get between the patient and the doctor.. if the doctor feels you need some test or operation then you get it, the govt doesnt keep you from getting it or decide what you need..

While you talk about Roe vs Wade, I just read about how many clinics here in TX have been shut down by your govt.. so what is all this you are talking about being crazy??? Thank gawd Canada doesnt keep dragging women & women's rights back into the dark ages like the govt in the US does..

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/federal-court-texas-law-will-close-majority-abortion-clinics

Excuse me, I may have misunderstood. Didn't you say,"if there is no compelling reason for them to be going to the US the province will say no, wait your turn in our system or pay it yourself." Isn't the Province the government?

A "compelling reason" might be if its a procedure that a Canadian doctor doesnt do or in a timely manner, such as critical medical surgery (which does sometimes get sent to other provinces or the US and paid for by the province). Knee surgery wouldnt qualify, if someone wants to jump the cue & get it done in the US or some other country, they do it on their own dime.. The govt doesnt tell a doctor or a patient what medical services they need.

When you go to a US doctor dont you have to wait your turn there too? Lots of Americans go outside the US for medical treatment too, medical tourism is a growing global industry.. In the US what stops people from getting medical care is the cost (even the cost of the deductibles).. under your system, its your insurance corps and govt that even dictate who your doctor can & cant be.. Is your insurance corp your friend??? I dont think so..

When I need, or want a doctor I call and make an appointment. Sometimes, if I say, actually only twice in my life, I wonder if I shouldn't come in now, they always say yes. But, there are also urgent care centers all over. I have two within 45 minute drive, where it's completely walk in and you're seen on a first come first serve basis. When using one I've never waited more then 30 minutes. They take my insurance and I've actually taken people to one that had no insurance that were treated and sent off with a bill and a promise to pay. I don't know where your getting your concept of our system, but here it's easy to get seen and treated immediately.




Sanity -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 4:33:44 PM)


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I would say that you are lucky, from what i have read few Americans get that kind of medical care or can afford it..


They feed you propaganda up there to keep you happy, or what? No, thats standard stuff.




tj444 -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 4:37:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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Granted about population. Yet what is the population of Pittsburg compared to Canada. And, why am I paying the same as people in France while they have a 30% deductible and I dont. And I don't have to wisit until the government decides what I need. The last point alone is crazy to me. The concept that the State gets between me and my doctor is...well it's actually contrary to Roe vs Wade.

The govt in Canada doesnt get between the patient and the doctor.. if the doctor feels you need some test or operation then you get it, the govt doesnt keep you from getting it or decide what you need..

While you talk about Roe vs Wade, I just read about how many clinics here in TX have been shut down by your govt.. so what is all this you are talking about being crazy??? Thank gawd Canada doesnt keep dragging women & women's rights back into the dark ages like the govt in the US does..

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/federal-court-texas-law-will-close-majority-abortion-clinics

Actually, Roe vs Wade is very clear that it affects first trimester pregnancy only and that a state should and may regulate second and third trimester abortions. I'm not sure how doing so shuts done abortions since Roe Wade very clearly determines its the states responsibility to regulate all surgical procedures and to keep up with latest medical knowledge while doing so. How that has anything to do with women's rights is beyond me. Specifically what right are you talking about?

from the article-

""The justice system and our elected politicians have put a road full of unnecessary hurdles in front of every woman in Texas who has decided to end her pregnancy," said Amy Hagstrom Miller, the founder of Whole Woman's Health, on Tuesday. "For scores of Texas women, the repercussions of this ruling will be devastating.""

Gawd, I am glad i wasnt born in the US..




HunterCA -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 4:38:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I dont see how the cost of health care to an individual can be the same in France as it is in the US, given France spends half as much as a percentage of GDP. The US comes top of the spending list in any of the major charts one cares to look at.



Ha, life is full of mysteries. I note that you and crazyml have lots of charts and studies that doesn't seem to actually apply to my experience. Probably no wonder I don't want to change to your system.




HunterCA -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 4:44:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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Granted about population. Yet what is the population of Pittsburg compared to Canada. And, why am I paying the same as people in France while they have a 30% deductible and I dont. And I don't have to wisit until the government decides what I need. The last point alone is crazy to me. The concept that the State gets between me and my doctor is...well it's actually contrary to Roe vs Wade.

The govt in Canada doesnt get between the patient and the doctor.. if the doctor feels you need some test or operation then you get it, the govt doesnt keep you from getting it or decide what you need..

While you talk about Roe vs Wade, I just read about how many clinics here in TX have been shut down by your govt.. so what is all this you are talking about being crazy??? Thank gawd Canada doesnt keep dragging women & women's rights back into the dark ages like the govt in the US does..

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/federal-court-texas-law-will-close-majority-abortion-clinics

Actually, Roe vs Wade is very clear that it affects first trimester pregnancy only and that a state should and may regulate second and third trimester abortions. I'm not sure how doing so shuts done abortions since Roe Wade very clearly determines its the states responsibility to regulate all surgical procedures and to keep up with latest medical knowledge while doing so. How that has anything to do with women's rights is beyond me. Specifically what right are you talking about?

from the article-

""The justice system and our elected politicians have put a road full of unnecessary hurdles in front of every woman in Texas who has decided to end her pregnancy," said Amy Hagstrom Miller, the founder of Whole Woman's Health, on Tuesday. "For scores of Texas women, the repercussions of this ruling will be devastating.""

Gawd, I am glad i wasnt born in the US..

I did read the article. I noted, as usually, Mother Jones used very dramatic language to describe the anguish of the left and pretty narrow and slight language to discuss the facts and the opinions of the people implementing the law. While I'm perfectly content that everyone should get what ever news they can from whatever source, you should consider the source. I'm not going to be like the lefty loonies and tell you I don't accept an article because of the political slant. We are here, after all to debate not to shut down debate because the source is biased and then call it lies. But, that is a sentimentally biased paragraph.




Politesub53 -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 4:47:26 PM)


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Once communists get their prized single-payer system, by virtue of the fact that all funding comes from the state, the state does have control of the means of production. Has it by the balls.

As an example of this, in the UK right now theres a row going on about providing evening and weekend healthcare. Its all up to the state (and the unions) due to funding concerns. Nurse pay there is shit btw, compared to here.

And they are short physicians.

Re Iraq, the Iraqis pleaded for us to help stave off ISIS but Obama yawned and went golfing rather than help when the need was urgent. As a result Obamas fawning media has to work overtime to ignore the screams and rivers of blood coming from the region



Debate isnt a row and you are talking bollocks about Iraq, as per fucking usual. You already moaned that Obama bought the toops home three weeks quicker than Bush yet took the credit.

Do you remeber posting this : (seems to me your views change whenever it suits you.)

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All liberals have ever wanted is for the U.S. to continue on in its role as world cop
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Politesub53 -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 4:49:25 PM)


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I dont see how the cost of health care to an individual can be the same in France as it is in the US, given France spends half as much as a percentage of GDP. The US comes top of the spending list in any of the major charts one cares to look at.



Ha, life is full of mysteries. I note that you and crazyml have lots of charts and studies that doesn't seem to actually apply to my experience. Probably no wonder I don't want to change to your system.


Got any links to prove your point..... I can back up mine easily enough.




Sanity -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 5:02:39 PM)


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Debate isnt a row and you are talking bollocks about Iraq, as per fucking usual. You already moaned that Obama bought the toops home three weeks quicker than Bush yet took the credit.

Do you remeber posting this : (seems to me your views change whenever it suits you.)



Calm down troll, and try again. You are so mad that you arent coherent

A threat to strike is a row, always has been and always will be.

And your ad hominem attack on me re Iraq is poor form. First as an ad hominem its already a fallacy. Second, you are deliberately misrepresenting the context of my statement (which explains why you failed to link to it) which is a straw man fallacy

Third, your accusation re Iraq has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so its a red herring fallacy

Please stop wasting everyones time, and learn to debate with honor







HunterCA -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 5:03:37 PM)


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I dont see how the cost of health care to an individual can be the same in France as it is in the US, given France spends half as much as a percentage of GDP. The US comes top of the spending list in any of the major charts one cares to look at.



Ha, life is full of mysteries. I note that you and crazyml have lots of charts and studies that doesn't seem to actually apply to my experience. Probably no wonder I don't want to change to your system.


Got any links to prove your point..... I can back up mine easily enough.


Let's take just a second and analyze just how stupid that statement is. I said you seem to have lots of charts and studies that don't apply to my experience. You asked me to provide links. To what PS. My experience? Or, your charts? Pay attention ol sod.




HunterCA -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 5:06:46 PM)


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I haven't been following the thread and I might be missing some of the context/timing when I say what I am about to say---the democratic party platform and the communist party platform share a great deal in common.

ive mentioned this before here and some of the forum comrades got all bent out of shape over that.

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That was the theme of Horowitz’s speech as he continued: how the communists had taken over the Democratic Party. “The communist party is the Democratic Party,” Horowitz stated. “In The Great Gatsby, [F. Scott] Fitzgerald describes the rich as people who break things and leave them for others to clean up. That is a wonderful description of the left.” Horowitz, who began as a radical Marxist, said that the modern left had learned stealth from their failures in the 1960s: “The left have learned from the 1960s…we in the 1960s didn’t want to pretend to be Jeffersonian democrats…That’s why we failed in the 1960s. That’s why they’ve succeeded now.”

But the right, Horowitz pointed out, has failed to acknowledge that reality. On Obamacare, for example, Horowitz railed against the language used by the left: “single-payer.” Instead, he said, “it is communism,” pointing out that it was state ownership of the means of production. He added, “The left hate the Constitution because Madison designed it to thwart them.”...

Horowitz summed up pessimistically: “We are within reach of a totalitarian state in this country…These are very very dark days for this country.” But, Horowitz held out hope: “there’s been an earthquake on the conservative side since I switched sides…the tea party is the earthquake. The best thing that Republicans can do is stop the fratricide.”



http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2013/11/12/horowitz-blasts-left-heritage/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962342/posts



Wow... This Horowitz guy beats some of the most moronic posts I have seen on here. Is there such a thing as a super moron? If there is, then David Horowitz embodies super-moronism.

Who reads this stuff?

He starts off with healthcare. A topic he knows nothing about. Single-payer is Communism???
Why do you say that? I might ask :)

His answer: "State ownership of the means of production" Ummmm....

Does he know what single-payer is??? Does he know that health insurance is NOT production?

I am no expert on Marx, but this guy clearly isn't either. Nor is he an expert on anything.


Obama, Horowitz claimed, is a deep believer in this concept, all the way down to his carpet in the Oval Office, which assures those who enter that the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice. “Leftism is a crypto-religion,” he explained. “They see themselves as a savior. People who believe that redemption will take place in this life and I will be a part of it, that’s Hitler. That’s Mao…That’s the American left.”

Yes. It's Obama's carpet that represents seeing himself as a savior. How profound!


Third, Horowitz said that the left was characterized by “alienation from this country… What weakens America is actually good.” Horowitz cited the Obama administration’s eager withdrawal from Iraq as evidence of that proposition:

Yes. Obama withdrew from Iraq to weaken America, because it's good! Nothing to do with the fact that his predecessor signed a deal for our troops to leave. No.

Nothing to do with the fact, that there was no exit strategy when we went in there. Nope.

Nothing to do, with the fact that there was noting militarily to accomplish at that point for our troops that would help long-term Iraqi stability. Nope.

Obama was thinking, "I want to weaken America, because it's good!"


People actually read this stuff and drink this kool-aid. I haven't met one, but I have seen them on TV!

Oh, and MJ, before I get accused of being a colorist or anything, I didn't make up the term red diaper baby.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_diaper_baby





Politesub53 -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 5:19:18 PM)


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Debate isnt a row and you are talking bollocks about Iraq, as per fucking usual. You already moaned that Obama bought the toops home three weeks quicker than Bush yet took the credit.

Do you remeber posting this : (seems to me your views change whenever it suits you.)



Calm down troll, and try again. You are so mad that you arent coherent

A threat to strike is a row, always has been and always will be.

And your ad hominem attack on me re Iraq is poor form. First as an ad hominem its already a fallacy. Second, you are deliberately misrepresenting the context of my statement (which explains why you failed to link to it) which is a straw man fallacy

Third, your accusation re Iraq has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so its a red herring fallacy

Please stop wasting everyones time, and learn to debate with honor



If I posted a fallacy, you could add the link yourself and prove me wrong, not that you will.






Politesub53 -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 5:28:44 PM)


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I dont see how the cost of health care to an individual can be the same in France as it is in the US, given France spends half as much as a percentage of GDP. The US comes top of the spending list in any of the major charts one cares to look at.



Ha, life is full of mysteries. I note that you and crazyml have lots of charts and studies that doesn't seem to actually apply to my experience. Probably no wonder I don't want to change to your system.


Got any links to prove your point..... I can back up mine easily enough.


Let's take just a second and analyze just how stupid that statement is. I said you seem to have lots of charts and studies that don't apply to my experience. You asked me to provide links. To what PS. My experience? Or, your charts? Pay attention ol sod.


Lets not, because "your experience" is just a bullshit claim you could make up yourself. Like I said, healthcare costs per head in France are only half that of those in the US. If you expect me to somehow believe you have a unique case taken from two countries simultainiously, I am calling bullshit.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/




HunterCA -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 5:53:26 PM)


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I dont see how the cost of health care to an individual can be the same in France as it is in the US, given France spends half as much as a percentage of GDP. The US comes top of the spending list in any of the major charts one cares to look at.



Ha, life is full of mysteries. I note that you and crazyml have lots of charts and studies that doesn't seem to actually apply to my experience. Probably no wonder I don't want to change to your system.


Got any links to prove your point..... I can back up mine easily enough.


Let's take just a second and analyze just how stupid that statement is. I said you seem to have lots of charts and studies that don't apply to my experience. You asked me to provide links. To what PS. My experience? Or, your charts? Pay attention ol sod.


Lets not, because "your experience" is just a bullshit claim you could make up yourself. Like I said, healthcare costs per head in France are only half that of those in the US. If you expect me to somehow believe you have a unique case taken from two countries simultainiously, I am calling bullshit.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/


Well, you'll just have to go with that. I think you've done enough dumbass for the night. So, and while it doesn't matter one way or another, I'm going to ignore you now. Your quota is full. Talk to ya tomorrow.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 6:06:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Once communists get their prized single-payer system, by virtue of the fact that all funding comes from the state, the state does have control of the means of production. Has it by the balls.

As an example of this, in the UK right now theres a row going on about providing evening and weekend healthcare. Its all up to the state (and the unions) due to funding concerns. Nurse pay there is shit btw, compared to here.

And they are short physicians.

Re Iraq, the Iraqis pleaded for us to help stave off ISIS but Obama yawned and went golfing rather than help when the need was urgent. As a result Obamas fawning media has to work overtime to ignore the screams and rivers of blood coming from the region





Valid point to debate government employed healthcare workers. Your link is interesting because it has David Cameron, the Conservative party leader, wanting to extend government-provided free primary care, and proposing to cut nurse wages to help fund it.

Nurse pay in the UK seems just fine.

From http://allnurses.com/international-nursing/difference-between-nursing-189164-page8.html

Starting pay for nurses in the UK is �19,166 which is staring band 5 money for a registered nurse, before you get your registeration you get paid at band 3 which is �14,037.

Hope this helps.
but it doesn't take account of the unsocial hours payments

+ 30% for night shifts, hours worked after2000 hrs if not part of a night shift and any hours on saturday

+60% for sundays and bank holidays

Those numbers are in Pounds. SEIU can't get nurses that much pay for a starting slary here in the US. 30% bonus for night shifts? 60% bonus for Sundays and Holidays!!!!!




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 6:14:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I haven't been following the thread and I might be missing some of the context/timing when I say what I am about to say---the democratic party platform and the communist party platform share a great deal in common.

ive mentioned this before here and some of the forum comrades got all bent out of shape over that.

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That was the theme of Horowitz’s speech as he continued: how the communists had taken over the Democratic Party. “The communist party is the Democratic Party,” Horowitz stated. “In The Great Gatsby, [F. Scott] Fitzgerald describes the rich as people who break things and leave them for others to clean up. That is a wonderful description of the left.” Horowitz, who began as a radical Marxist, said that the modern left had learned stealth from their failures in the 1960s: “The left have learned from the 1960s…we in the 1960s didn’t want to pretend to be Jeffersonian democrats…That’s why we failed in the 1960s. That’s why they’ve succeeded now.”

But the right, Horowitz pointed out, has failed to acknowledge that reality. On Obamacare, for example, Horowitz railed against the language used by the left: “single-payer.” Instead, he said, “it is communism,” pointing out that it was state ownership of the means of production. He added, “The left hate the Constitution because Madison designed it to thwart them.”...

Horowitz summed up pessimistically: “We are within reach of a totalitarian state in this country…These are very very dark days for this country.” But, Horowitz held out hope: “there’s been an earthquake on the conservative side since I switched sides…the tea party is the earthquake. The best thing that Republicans can do is stop the fratricide.”



http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2013/11/12/horowitz-blasts-left-heritage/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962342/posts



Wow... This Horowitz guy beats some of the most moronic posts I have seen on here. Is there such a thing as a super moron? If there is, then David Horowitz embodies super-moronism.

Who reads this stuff?

He starts off with healthcare. A topic he knows nothing about. Single-payer is Communism???
Why do you say that? I might ask :)

His answer: "State ownership of the means of production" Ummmm....

Does he know what single-payer is??? Does he know that health insurance is NOT production?

I am no expert on Marx, but this guy clearly isn't either. Nor is he an expert on anything.


Obama, Horowitz claimed, is a deep believer in this concept, all the way down to his carpet in the Oval Office, which assures those who enter that the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice. “Leftism is a crypto-religion,” he explained. “They see themselves as a savior. People who believe that redemption will take place in this life and I will be a part of it, that’s Hitler. That’s Mao…That’s the American left.”

Yes. It's Obama's carpet that represents seeing himself as a savior. How profound!


Third, Horowitz said that the left was characterized by “alienation from this country… What weakens America is actually good.” Horowitz cited the Obama administration’s eager withdrawal from Iraq as evidence of that proposition:

Yes. Obama withdrew from Iraq to weaken America, because it's good! Nothing to do with the fact that his predecessor signed a deal for our troops to leave. No.

Nothing to do with the fact, that there was no exit strategy when we went in there. Nope.

Nothing to do, with the fact that there was noting militarily to accomplish at that point for our troops that would help long-term Iraqi stability. Nope.

Obama was thinking, "I want to weaken America, because it's good!"


People actually read this stuff and drink this kool-aid. I haven't met one, but I have seen them on TV!

Actually, David Horowitz grew up as a Jewish, New York, red diaper baby. His parents even sent him to communist summer camps in the summer. While I'll admit there is nothing quite as zealous as a reformed whore, he's pretty aware of his stuff. Early in his life he did for the communist party what he now does for the conservative side of the political spectrum. He'd actually be a good source to find access to those bring America down communists you don't believe exist as he used to be one and, as he says, all his old pals have been to stupid to take him off their email lists since his political conversion. He writes in a literary style that commies use for propaganda, true, but he has a lot of valuable information and education. As an old professor of mine once said, information doesn't have to be entertaining to be valuable.



Pretty aware of his stuff????? Lots of valuable information????

Obama pulled out of Iraq be cause he wants to weaken America?
Obama's carpet shows that he sees himself as a savior?

He's aware that he is now a right-wing hack (probably realizing that being a right-wing hack is FAR more lucrative than being a Communist), and he is selling this kool-aid to whomever will drink it.




Sanity -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 6:16:49 PM)


SEIU, more communists...

Anyway no - 19,166 pounds is just shy of $30,000

If SEIU cant get a good nurse better than that they have their hands in the till. Counting OT and shift differentials I know for a fact that a good nurse in this area is getting closer to $100k

And Idaho is always on the low side




HunterCA -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 6:18:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I haven't been following the thread and I might be missing some of the context/timing when I say what I am about to say---the democratic party platform and the communist party platform share a great deal in common.

ive mentioned this before here and some of the forum comrades got all bent out of shape over that.

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That was the theme of Horowitz’s speech as he continued: how the communists had taken over the Democratic Party. “The communist party is the Democratic Party,” Horowitz stated. “In The Great Gatsby, [F. Scott] Fitzgerald describes the rich as people who break things and leave them for others to clean up. That is a wonderful description of the left.” Horowitz, who began as a radical Marxist, said that the modern left had learned stealth from their failures in the 1960s: “The left have learned from the 1960s…we in the 1960s didn’t want to pretend to be Jeffersonian democrats…That’s why we failed in the 1960s. That’s why they’ve succeeded now.”

But the right, Horowitz pointed out, has failed to acknowledge that reality. On Obamacare, for example, Horowitz railed against the language used by the left: “single-payer.” Instead, he said, “it is communism,” pointing out that it was state ownership of the means of production. He added, “The left hate the Constitution because Madison designed it to thwart them.”...

Horowitz summed up pessimistically: “We are within reach of a totalitarian state in this country…These are very very dark days for this country.” But, Horowitz held out hope: “there’s been an earthquake on the conservative side since I switched sides…the tea party is the earthquake. The best thing that Republicans can do is stop the fratricide.”



http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2013/11/12/horowitz-blasts-left-heritage/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962342/posts



Wow... This Horowitz guy beats some of the most moronic posts I have seen on here. Is there such a thing as a super moron? If there is, then David Horowitz embodies super-moronism.

Who reads this stuff?

He starts off with healthcare. A topic he knows nothing about. Single-payer is Communism???
Why do you say that? I might ask :)

His answer: "State ownership of the means of production" Ummmm....

Does he know what single-payer is??? Does he know that health insurance is NOT production?

I am no expert on Marx, but this guy clearly isn't either. Nor is he an expert on anything.


Obama, Horowitz claimed, is a deep believer in this concept, all the way down to his carpet in the Oval Office, which assures those who enter that the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice. “Leftism is a crypto-religion,” he explained. “They see themselves as a savior. People who believe that redemption will take place in this life and I will be a part of it, that’s Hitler. That’s Mao…That’s the American left.”

Yes. It's Obama's carpet that represents seeing himself as a savior. How profound!


Third, Horowitz said that the left was characterized by “alienation from this country… What weakens America is actually good.” Horowitz cited the Obama administration’s eager withdrawal from Iraq as evidence of that proposition:

Yes. Obama withdrew from Iraq to weaken America, because it's good! Nothing to do with the fact that his predecessor signed a deal for our troops to leave. No.

Nothing to do with the fact, that there was no exit strategy when we went in there. Nope.

Nothing to do, with the fact that there was noting militarily to accomplish at that point for our troops that would help long-term Iraqi stability. Nope.

Obama was thinking, "I want to weaken America, because it's good!"


People actually read this stuff and drink this kool-aid. I haven't met one, but I have seen them on TV!

Actually, David Horowitz grew up as a Jewish, New York, red diaper baby. His parents even sent him to communist summer camps in the summer. While I'll admit there is nothing quite as zealous as a reformed whore, he's pretty aware of his stuff. Early in his life he did for the communist party what he now does for the conservative side of the political spectrum. He'd actually be a good source to find access to those bring America down communists you don't believe exist as he used to be one and, as he says, all his old pals have been to stupid to take him off their email lists since his political conversion. He writes in a literary style that commies use for propaganda, true, but he has a lot of valuable information and education. As an old professor of mine once said, information doesn't have to be entertaining to be valuable.



Pretty aware of his stuff????? Lots of valuable information????

Obama pulled out of Iraq be cause he wants to weaken America?
Obama's carpet shows that he sees himself as a savior?

He's aware that he is now a right-wing hack (probably realizing that being a right-wing hack is FAR more lucrative than being a Communist), and he is selling this kool-aid to whomever will drink it.

Na, really, he's a good guy. Just remember that there's nothing like a reformed whore and read for information.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 7:00:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


SEIU, more communists...

Anyway no - 19,166 pounds is just shy of $30,000

If SEIU cant get a good nurse better than that they have their hands in the till. Counting OT and shift differentials I know for a fact that a good nurse in this area is getting closer to $100k

And Idaho is always on the low side


My mistake. You are exactly right. Nurse pay is shit in the UK.




HunterCA -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 7:10:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


SEIU, more communists...

Anyway no - 19,166 pounds is just shy of $30,000

If SEIU cant get a good nurse better than that they have their hands in the till. Counting OT and shift differentials I know for a fact that a good nurse in this area is getting closer to $100k

And Idaho is always on the low side


My mistake. You are exactly right. Nurse pay is shit in the UK.

Good for you MJ, as my female is a nurse, I was going to stomp on you.




Sanity -> RE: Stand back folks - Marxism at work (6/14/2015 7:14:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Good for you MJ, as my female is a nurse, I was going to stomp on you.


What a fucking coincidence




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