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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 12:59:45 PM   
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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 1:07:21 PM   
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Nevermind.


I Believe you may be missing a point. What he said was blunt and straight forward, I'd agree.

Yet the whole concept, from the sixties, that, "We'll treat classes of people as separate in our society. We'll treat them as victims. We'll take 22 trillion dollars (and counting) from hard working families and pay it out to our voter demographics in order to make sure they don't leave our plantation. We'll give them just enough so they'll have to become a society in the dark corners. And we will define this as compassion and correctness and anyone who disagrees will be vilified. And we will continue to do this, no matter how it fails so that we do not have to admit error."

I'm pretty sure the hubris is on the other foot.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 1:09:55 PM   
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I Believe you may be missing a point. What he said was blunt and straight forward, I'd agree.

Yet the whole concept, from the sixties, that, "We'll treat classes of people as separate in our society. We'll treat them as victims. We'll take 22 trillion dollars (and counting) from hard working families and pay it out to our voter demographics in order to make sure they don't leave our plantation. We'll give them just enough so they'll have to become a society in the dark corners. And we will define this as compassion and correctness and anyone who disagrees will be vilified. And we will continue to do this, no matter how it fails so that we do not have to admit error."

I'm pretty sure the hubris is on the other foot.


I removed my post for a reason. Thanks anyway.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 1:17:30 PM   
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I Believe you may be missing a point. What he said was blunt and straight forward, I'd agree.

Yet the whole concept, from the sixties, that, "We'll treat classes of people as separate in our society. We'll treat them as victims. We'll take 22 trillion dollars (and counting) from hard working families and pay it out to our voter demographics in order to make sure they don't leave our plantation. We'll give them just enough so they'll have to become a society in the dark corners. And we will define this as compassion and correctness and anyone who disagrees will be vilified. And we will continue to do this, no matter how it fails so that we do not have to admit error."

I'm pretty sure the hubris is on the other foot.


I removed my post for a reason. Thanks anyway.



I figured that and I won't press your point. However, I had a point. In my opinion we have been terribly cruel over the last fifty years in the name of compassion. I'm aware of it and more than willing to admit the error and work toward a truly compassionate outcome. But, so often, all that evokes is cries of racism, sexism, someism all derived from a desire to maintain control rather than find a truly reasonable working situation. Americans are the most generous people in the world. I don't think any American wouldn't want to work toward fixing poverty and people excluded from society. But what we are doing is not the solution and I, personally, am tired of being called hateful things just because I recognize that fact.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 1:21:07 PM   
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I know I've already seen comments in past threads where supporters of the ACA have gone on to complain about overweight people going through the government to get their insurance. If I recall correctly, one person had an issue with cheeseburgers. All I can say is that you radical left fuckwits had better leave my bacon alone.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 1:32:00 PM   
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I know I've already seen comments in past threads where supporters of the ACA have gone on to complain about overweight people going through the government to get their insurance. If I recall correctly, one person had an issue with cheeseburgers. All I can say is that you radical left fuckwits had better leave my bacon alone.



You're fine. Although it may take a while to sink in.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/23/everything-you-know-about-unhealthy-foods-is-wrong

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 1:44:44 PM   
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I know I've already seen comments in past threads where supporters of the ACA have gone on to complain about overweight people going through the government to get their insurance. If I recall correctly, one person had an issue with cheeseburgers. All I can say is that you radical left fuckwits had better leave my bacon alone.



You're fine. Although it may take a while to sink in.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/23/everything-you-know-about-unhealthy-foods-is-wrong



Are you sure?

One 20-gram (0.7 oz) rasher of cooked streaky bacon contains 5.4 grams (0.2 oz) of fat, and 4.4 grams (0.2 oz) of protein.[60] Four pieces of bacon can also contain up to 800 mg of sodium, which is roughly equivalent to 1.92 grams of salt. The fat and protein content varies depending on the cut and cooking method.

68% of bacon's calories come from fat, almost half of which are saturated.[61] Each ounce of bacon contains 30 milligrams of cholesterol.[61][62]

From wikipedia. My docs all say my max limits of salt is 1.5 grams per day. And I love bacon. LOL Have to take my wife ocassionally to eat at Golden Corral for her baccon fix LOL

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 1:57:21 PM   
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I know I've already seen comments in past threads where supporters of the ACA have gone on to complain about overweight people going through the government to get their insurance. If I recall correctly, one person had an issue with cheeseburgers. All I can say is that you radical left fuckwits had better leave my bacon alone.



You're fine. Although it may take a while to sink in.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/23/everything-you-know-about-unhealthy-foods-is-wrong



Are you sure?

One 20-gram (0.7 oz) rasher of cooked streaky bacon contains 5.4 grams (0.2 oz) of fat, and 4.4 grams (0.2 oz) of protein.[60] Four pieces of bacon can also contain up to 800 mg of sodium, which is roughly equivalent to 1.92 grams of salt. The fat and protein content varies depending on the cut and cooking method.

68% of bacon's calories come from fat, almost half of which are saturated.[61] Each ounce of bacon contains 30 milligrams of cholesterol.[61][62]

From wikipedia. My docs all say my max limits of salt is 1.5 grams per day. And I love bacon. LOL Have to take my wife ocassionally to eat at Golden Corral for her baccon fix LOL



The new nutrition is showing that your personal cholesterol level has nothing to do with what you eat. That's the point of my link. Salt, well, you'll have to think of that on your own. Studies I read in the 90's which were re studies of earlier studies, showed salt was bad for people who already had heart problems but not for others. I quit reading salt studies then, because that's what I want to believe. I'm sure it'll change back and fort for a while. I just note my great and grand parents all lived into their late 80's and 90's and pretty much ate bacon and eggs evry day. You'll have to look at your genetic past.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 2:52:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The government's recommendations for food intake has already been discredited, in my mind. Though personally, I agree with keeping soda and cake out of a person's diet, I don't agree with the government laying down those ground rules. Because...what it they also took away my bacon? (I would be concerned about that too, RottenJohnny.) What if they took it away because they think they know better? They don't. I'm 100% convinced that the USDA does not have our health as their priority. I don't trust what they endorse, and I don't trust their opinions about what they don't endorse.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 2:58:40 PM   
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I know I've already seen comments in past threads where supporters of the ACA have gone on to complain about overweight people going through the government to get their insurance. If I recall correctly, one person had an issue with cheeseburgers. All I can say is that you radical left fuckwits had better leave my bacon alone.



You're fine. Although it may take a while to sink in.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/23/everything-you-know-about-unhealthy-foods-is-wrong



Are you sure?

One 20-gram (0.7 oz) rasher of cooked streaky bacon contains 5.4 grams (0.2 oz) of fat, and 4.4 grams (0.2 oz) of protein.[60] Four pieces of bacon can also contain up to 800 mg of sodium, which is roughly equivalent to 1.92 grams of salt. The fat and protein content varies depending on the cut and cooking method.

68% of bacon's calories come from fat, almost half of which are saturated.[61] Each ounce of bacon contains 30 milligrams of cholesterol.[61][62]

From wikipedia. My docs all say my max limits of salt is 1.5 grams per day. And I love bacon. LOL Have to take my wife ocassionally to eat at Golden Corral for her baccon fix LOL



Fat is not bad for you. This is the lie we've been told so food manufacturers could profit.

It really did take me awhile to accept these changes. Eggs are good? Fat is good? Whole wheat bread is not good? But I switched. I eat high fat, very low carb, and my health and my blood tests have all been great.

It's a lot - a lot - to wrap our heads around. I'm still amazed at all we're finding out these days. (Sunburns don't cause skin cancer? What??) And many people are unaccepting. And of course, everyone has their own individual health issues and responses to foods. But generally, we've been lied to.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 3:47:34 PM   
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Sunburns don't cause skin cancer? What??

Don't bother telling any of my dermatologists this. They do case histories, take the malignancy test samples, read the lab reports, make the oncology referrals, visit at hospice care and get the funeral notices and autopsy files.
The Solar Radiation and skin cancer links are multiple and complicated. Peeling burns before puberty are one of the strongest links to Melanoma after age 45. Half the field doesn't see a strong connection between sun blocks and preventing cancer, skin UV block has a stronger effect in preventing skin aging. Genetic components of each individual's cells can create large risks from Sun exposure or vary all the way to make individuals remarkably resistant to skin cell DNA disturbances. Real life is complicated, simple answers are usually misleading at best.

How food manufacturers, who add fat liberally to create consumer preferred tastes, benefit from the campaign to limit fat in diets escapes me completely.
Fat is now understood to be an essential of a good diet. Too little is bad, too much is usually worse. Different balances including saturated, mono-saturated and several varieties of polyunsaturated seem least problematic among various studies.
Artificially hardened (saturated) fats have the environmentally and evolutionarily novel and toxic addition of Trans Fatty Acids, (Traditional margarine is loaded) which has been found to be the large risk in modern high fat diets. Pre-margarine diets with large saturated fat components were Not known for high heart disease rates or the many internal cancers we now see.
Complicating the picture, people didn't live long enough to die from these as infections and communicable diseases held life expectancy to under 45 till the start of the 20th Century. The average person's daily calorie burn from simply working, farming or household tasks was also well above most current work or life styles.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 4:06:57 PM   
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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 6:19:00 PM   
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Artificially hardened (saturated) fats have the environmentally and evolutionarily novel and toxic addition of Trans Fatty Acids, (Traditional margarine is loaded) which has been found to be the large risk in modern high fat diets. Pre-margarine diets with large saturated fat components were Not known for high heart disease rates or the many internal cancers we now see.


My favorite Food Network Chef, Alton Brown, states that, chemically, margarine is closer to plastic than it is to butter.




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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 6:33:04 PM   
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You need to get a life.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 6:41:57 PM   
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Artificially hardened (saturated) fats have the environmentally and evolutionarily novel and toxic addition of Trans Fatty Acids, (Traditional margarine is loaded) which has been found to be the large risk in modern high fat diets. Pre-margarine diets with large saturated fat components were Not known for high heart disease rates or the many internal cancers we now see.


My favorite Food Network Chef, Alton Brown, states that, chemically, margarine is closer to plastic than it is to butter.





I like Alton Brown. I like margarine as well. I like butter also. But not as much as Paula Deen likes butter.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 6:56:05 PM   
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Artificially hardened (saturated) fats have the environmentally and evolutionarily novel and toxic addition of Trans Fatty Acids, (Traditional margarine is loaded) which has been found to be the large risk in modern high fat diets. Pre-margarine diets with large saturated fat components were Not known for high heart disease rates or the many internal cancers we now see.


My favorite Food Network Chef, Alton Brown, states that, chemically, margarine is closer to plastic than it is to butter.





Get three mesh bags. Fill one with fat, fill one with butter, and fill one with margarine. Hang all three on a tree outside and watch. The margarine will hang indefinitely because the little outside critters don't recognize its food.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 7:00:45 PM   
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Artificially hardened (saturated) fats have the environmentally and evolutionarily novel and toxic addition of Trans Fatty Acids, (Traditional margarine is loaded) which has been found to be the large risk in modern high fat diets. Pre-margarine diets with large saturated fat components were Not known for high heart disease rates or the many internal cancers we now see.


My favorite Food Network Chef, Alton Brown, states that, chemically, margarine is closer to plastic than it is to butter.





I like Alton Brown. I like margarine as well. I like butter also. But not as much as Paula Deen likes butter.


I like Paula Deen. I'd enjoy being invited to eat at her house once a month or so. Gees, there's this place in No. CA we go hunting every year. It has a restaurant at which they serve a chicken fried steak so large they have to bring the veggies in bowls on the side. Some peas, some mashed potatos and a plate size chicken fried steak all covered in country gravy. I look forward to it once a year. I don't miss the opportunity but I wouldn't do it a second time in the same year.

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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 9:47:09 PM   
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Artificially hardened (saturated) fats have the environmentally and evolutionarily novel and toxic addition of Trans Fatty Acids, (Traditional margarine is loaded) which has been found to be the large risk in modern high fat diets. Pre-margarine diets with large saturated fat components were Not known for high heart disease rates or the many internal cancers we now see.

My favorite Food Network Chef, Alton Brown, states that, chemically, margarine is closer to plastic than it is to butter.

I like Alton Brown. I like margarine as well. I like butter also. But not as much as Paula Deen likes butter.


So, Paula had this show in front of a live audience where she would take questions from the audience as she was cooking up something magical. One woman said she was trying to cut down on the fat in her diet, so she started using ground chicken and ground turkey for her burgers, but they were always dry. She asked Paula what she could do. Paula starts off and says that her son Jamie would tell her to add in onions to add moisture, but she would simply tell her to add butter.

I'm betting Paula Deen's stuff would have to be decadent and down home delicious.


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RE: Food Police - 5/23/2015 9:50:57 PM   
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Artificially hardened (saturated) fats have the environmentally and evolutionarily novel and toxic addition of Trans Fatty Acids, (Traditional margarine is loaded) which has been found to be the large risk in modern high fat diets. Pre-margarine diets with large saturated fat components were Not known for high heart disease rates or the many internal cancers we now see.

My favorite Food Network Chef, Alton Brown, states that, chemically, margarine is closer to plastic than it is to butter.

I like Alton Brown. I like margarine as well. I like butter also. But not as much as Paula Deen likes butter.


So, Paula had this show in front of a live audience where she would take questions from the audience as she was cooking up something magical. One woman said she was trying to cut down on the fat in her diet, so she started using ground chicken and ground turkey for her burgers, but they were always dry. She asked Paula what she could do. Paula starts off and says that her son Jamie would tell her to add in onions to add moisture, but she would simply tell her to add butter.

I'm betting Paula Deen's stuff would have to be decadent and down home delicious.



I love ground turkey but you MUST add some fat to it.

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RE: Food Police - 5/24/2015 9:13:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
Artificially hardened (saturated) fats have the environmentally and evolutionarily novel and toxic addition of Trans Fatty Acids, (Traditional margarine is loaded) which has been found to be the large risk in modern high fat diets. Pre-margarine diets with large saturated fat components were Not known for high heart disease rates or the many internal cancers we now see.

My favorite Food Network Chef, Alton Brown, states that, chemically, margarine is closer to plastic than it is to butter.

I like Alton Brown. I like margarine as well. I like butter also. But not as much as Paula Deen likes butter.


So, Paula had this show in front of a live audience where she would take questions from the audience as she was cooking up something magical. One woman said she was trying to cut down on the fat in her diet, so she started using ground chicken and ground turkey for her burgers, but they were always dry. She asked Paula what she could do. Paula starts off and says that her son Jamie would tell her to add in onions to add moisture, but she would simply tell her to add butter.

I'm betting Paula Deen's stuff would have to be decadent and down home delicious.



Paula cooks traditional southern comfort food.

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