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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 8:18:20 AM   
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How long have you been able to choose whats in a big mac?


Always. You just tell them when you order how you would like it different from the standard.

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:11:00 AM   
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I prefer honey, over maple syrup....maple is to me a flavour, honey is just sweet...if that makes sense
but I still use sugar when Im cooking
Corn syrup was something I had never heard of before i moved over here, and Ive never used it in a recipe.
I dont trust food manufacturers to be honest....especially with shit like aspartame



When I first landed in New Zealand, the first time I had ever been out of the country, I bought a Coke. It tasted different. I knew right away it tasted different. I looked at the ingredients - no HFCS! It was made with cane sugar. It's still something I avoid these days, but it was a wake-up call for me at the time how things could be different. Now I'm all buyer beware about my food. We have to be.


When I was in Africa it tasted different. Not sure why. In Germany, they used lemon in it.


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

How long have you been able to choose whats in a big mac?



Every time I order it. I don't like their secret sauce. I have them just put mustard on it instead.

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:18:29 AM   
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I prefer honey, over maple syrup....maple is to me a flavour, honey is just sweet...if that makes sense
but I still use sugar when Im cooking
Corn syrup was something I had never heard of before i moved over here, and Ive never used it in a recipe.
I dont trust food manufacturers to be honest....especially with shit like aspartame



When I first landed in New Zealand, the first time I had ever been out of the country, I bought a Coke. It tasted different. I knew right away it tasted different. I looked at the ingredients - no HFCS! It was made with cane sugar. It's still something I avoid these days, but it was a wake-up call for me at the time how things could be different. Now I'm all buyer beware about my food. We have to be.

Coke tastes different between the northern borders too, When I used to drink coke, every time I went to the US it tasted different, it tastes different again in the UK.
I have to admit, I would rather have cane sugar than HFCS or aspartame


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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:19:52 AM   
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I prefer honey, over maple syrup....maple is to me a flavour, honey is just sweet...if that makes sense
but I still use sugar when Im cooking
Corn syrup was something I had never heard of before i moved over here, and Ive never used it in a recipe.
I dont trust food manufacturers to be honest....especially with shit like aspartame



When I first landed in New Zealand, the first time I had ever been out of the country, I bought a Coke. It tasted different. I knew right away it tasted different. I looked at the ingredients - no HFCS! It was made with cane sugar. It's still something I avoid these days, but it was a wake-up call for me at the time how things could be different. Now I'm all buyer beware about my food. We have to be.


When I was in Africa it tasted different. Not sure why. In Germany, they used lemon in it.


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

How long have you been able to choose whats in a big mac?



Every time I order it. I don't like their secret sauce. I have them just put mustard on it instead.

well dammit, next time(if there is one) I will demand no damn pickles.


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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:25:04 AM   
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of course it was st wrinklemeats agenda that counted ketchup and pickle relish as a "vegetable"
The ketchup is a vegetable controversy refers to proposed United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Food and Nutrition Service (FNS) regulations, early in the presidency of Ronald Reagan, that intended to provide more flexibility in meal planning to local school lunch administrators coping with National School Lunch Plan subsidy cuts enacted by the Omnibus Regulation Acts of 1980 and 1981.[1][2] The regulations allowed administrators the opportunity to credit items not explicitly listed that met nutritional requirements. While ketchup was not mentioned in the original regulations, pickle relish was used as an example of an item that could count as a vegetable.[3] A similar controversy arose in 2011 when Congress passed a bill prohibiting the USDA from increasing the amount of tomato paste required to constitute a vegetable; the bill allowed pizza with two tablespoons of tomato paste to qualify as a vegetable.
While ketchup was not specifically mentioned as a potential substitute, critics demonstrated outrage in Congress and in the media against the Ronald Reagan administration for cutting school lunch budgets and allowing ketchup and other condiments to count as vegetables. According to New York Times reporter Benjamin Weinraub, "the opposition had a Dickensian field day of outrage and mockery that contrasted school children's shrinking meal subsidies with the Pentagon generals' groaning board of budget increases."[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup_as_a_vegetable#Summary
Personally looking at HFCS to be removed from foods is more important.


Just a point of order... Reagan, being elected for his first term in 1980 had nothing to do with that year's Omnibus Regulation Act.

Plus, Congress in 1980 had both houses of run by Democrats (Link) and a split Congress in 1981 (Republican Senate; Democratic House; Link)

Kinda tough to blame just Reagan and the GOP, isn't it? Well, honestly blame them, anyway...

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:26:25 AM   
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then argue with wiki....

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:28:33 AM   
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then argue with wiki....


Don't have to. Your link pointed to Carter for the 1980 Act. You didn't. Your analysis was what was wrong.


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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:30:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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then argue with wiki....


Don't have to. Your link pointed to Carter for the 1980 Act. You didn't. Your analysis was what was wrong.



Hum, having that little problem again of just reading the words she wants instead of what is said. It seems to happen a lot.

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:32:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
then argue with wiki....

Don't have to. Your link pointed to Carter for the 1980 Act. You didn't. Your analysis was what was wrong.

Hum, having that little problem again of just reading the words she wants instead of what is said. It seems to happen a lot.


I do have issues with reading too much, sometimes. I suppose it's a character flaw of mine.


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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:46:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: HunterCA
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
then argue with wiki....

Don't have to. Your link pointed to Carter for the 1980 Act. You didn't. Your analysis was what was wrong.

Hum, having that little problem again of just reading the words she wants instead of what is said. It seems to happen a lot.


I do have issues with reading too much, sometimes. I suppose it's a character flaw of mine.




It probably is...but I hear it's good to keep old guys minds active.

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:46:59 AM   
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Point of order....1981

Reporting on the proposed directive, Newsweek magazine illustrated its story with a bottle of ketchup captioned "now a vegetable".[13] The proposed directive was criticized by nutritionists and Democratic politicians who staged photo ops where they dined on nutrition-poor meals that conformed to the new lax standards. Compounding this outrage and even though the purchase was privately financed, the same day that the USDA announced the cost-cutting proposal for school lunches, the White House purchased $209,508 worth of new china and place settings with the presidential seal embossed in gold.[14][15]

During her testimony before the Subcommittee on Elementary, Secondary, and Vocational Education on September 17, 1981, Food Research and Action Center Director Nancy Amidei described a "mini meal" that she stated would meet the proposed FNS standards made up of a 1.5-ounce hamburger, half of a roll, nine grapes, six ounces of milk, and six French fries. She described a second meal that included "a lot of relish and ketchup on a tiny hamburger" as also meeting the full quantity of both meat and vegetables as established by the new regulations.[12] The Food Research and Action Center, among other nutritional advocacy groups, were part of an opposition campaign that, according to proponents of the new FNS regulations, lacked faith in local school lunch administrators to plan healthy school lunches that adhered to the new standards.[16]

Multiple articles in the press voiced conflicting statements on the ketchup controversy. A September 1981 Reuters piece stated "ketchup, which has a high sugar content, was defined under new Government rules as a vegetable",[17] while a December New York Times piece from that same year noted that "ketchup, of course was never mentioned in the proposals, which were designed to give local school officials more flexibility in planning their meals."[16] Administrator Hoagland elaborated on the media field day that resulted from the ketchup controversy, stating "it's an insult to me and to school lunchroom officials to say that we would even consider forcing kids to eat ketchup as a vegetable."[18]

Despite the fact that ketchup was not explicitly referenced as a vegetable substitute in the regulations,[3] the condiment became an easy visual for skeptics to cite when criticizing the Reagan Administration and the proposed regulations. Reporter Benjamin Weinraub called the issue "the Emperor's new condiments",[6] and reporter Russell Baker gave President Reagan the tongue-in-cheek "Sore President of the Year Award" writing "it was given to President Reagan on the basis of reports that in spite of the ever-pleasant smile, he is secretly sore on his old botany teacher for telling him that ketchup is a vegetable."[19]

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 9:50:47 AM   
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From your link Lucy:

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The Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980,[1] signed into law by President Jimmy Carter, reduced the Federal School Lunch and Child Nutrition Programs budget by approximately eight

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 10:00:00 AM   
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Point of order....1981
Reporting on the proposed directive, Newsweek magazine illustrated its story with a bottle of ketchup captioned "now a vegetable".[13] The proposed directive was criticized by nutritionists and Democratic politicians who staged photo ops where they dined on nutrition-poor meals that conformed to the new lax standards. Compounding this outrage and even though the purchase was privately financed, the same day that the USDA announced the cost-cutting proposal for school lunches, the White House purchased $209,508 worth of new china and place settings with the presidential seal embossed in gold.[14][15]
During her testimony before the Subcommittee on Elementary, Secondary, and Vocational Education on September 17, 1981, Food Research and Action Center Director Nancy Amidei described a "mini meal" that she stated would meet the proposed FNS standards made up of a 1.5-ounce hamburger, half of a roll, nine grapes, six ounces of milk, and six French fries. She described a second meal that included "a lot of relish and ketchup on a tiny hamburger" as also meeting the full quantity of both meat and vegetables as established by the new regulations.[12] The Food Research and Action Center, among other nutritional advocacy groups, were part of an opposition campaign that, according to proponents of the new FNS regulations, lacked faith in local school lunch administrators to plan healthy school lunches that adhered to the new standards.[16]
Multiple articles in the press voiced conflicting statements on the ketchup controversy. A September 1981 Reuters piece stated "ketchup, which has a high sugar content, was defined under new Government rules as a vegetable",[17] while a December New York Times piece from that same year noted that "ketchup, of course was never mentioned in the proposals, which were designed to give local school officials more flexibility in planning their meals."[16] Administrator Hoagland elaborated on the media field day that resulted from the ketchup controversy, stating "it's an insult to me and to school lunchroom officials to say that we would even consider forcing kids to eat ketchup as a vegetable."[18]
Despite the fact that ketchup was not explicitly referenced as a vegetable substitute in the regulations,[3] the condiment became an easy visual for skeptics to cite when criticizing the Reagan Administration and the proposed regulations. Reporter Benjamin Weinraub called the issue "the Emperor's new condiments",[6] and reporter Russell Baker gave President Reagan the tongue-in-cheek "Sore President of the Year Award" writing "it was given to President Reagan on the basis of reports that in spite of the ever-pleasant smile, he is secretly sore on his old botany teacher for telling him that ketchup is a vegetable."[19]


Ooooh, someone's a bit butt sore. All I did was point out that the 1980 Act didn't come from Reagan, and that neither Act came from a Republican-led Congress. So, blaming just Reagan and the GOP for the cuts is intellectual dishonesty at best.

Don't forget that President Obama signed legislation that allowed for pizza to be considered a vegetable because of the sauce back in 2011 (also under a divided Congress).


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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 10:00:29 AM   
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Point of order....1981

Reporting on the proposed directive, Newsweek magazine illustrated its story with a bottle of ketchup captioned "now a vegetable".[13] The proposed directive was criticized by nutritionists and Democratic politicians who staged photo ops where they dined on nutrition-poor meals that conformed to the new lax standards. Compounding this outrage and even though the purchase was privately financed, the same day that the USDA announced the cost-cutting proposal for school lunches, the White House purchased $209,508 worth of new china and place settings with the presidential seal embossed in gold.[14][15]

During her testimony before the Subcommittee on Elementary, Secondary, and Vocational Education on September 17, 1981, Food Research and Action Center Director Nancy Amidei described a "mini meal" that she stated would meet the proposed FNS standards made up of a 1.5-ounce hamburger, half of a roll, nine grapes, six ounces of milk, and six French fries. She described a second meal that included "a lot of relish and ketchup on a tiny hamburger" as also meeting the full quantity of both meat and vegetables as established by the new regulations.[12] The Food Research and Action Center, among other nutritional advocacy groups, were part of an opposition campaign that, according to proponents of the new FNS regulations, lacked faith in local school lunch administrators to plan healthy school lunches that adhered to the new standards.[16]

Multiple articles in the press voiced conflicting statements on the ketchup controversy. A September 1981 Reuters piece stated "ketchup, which has a high sugar content, was defined under new Government rules as a vegetable",[17] while a December New York Times piece from that same year noted that "ketchup, of course was never mentioned in the proposals, which were designed to give local school officials more flexibility in planning their meals."[16] Administrator Hoagland elaborated on the media field day that resulted from the ketchup controversy, stating "it's an insult to me and to school lunchroom officials to say that we would even consider forcing kids to eat ketchup as a vegetable."[18]

Despite the fact that ketchup was not explicitly referenced as a vegetable substitute in the regulations,[3] the condiment became an easy visual for skeptics to cite when criticizing the Reagan Administration and the proposed regulations. Reporter Benjamin Weinraub called the issue "the Emperor's new condiments",[6] and reporter Russell Baker gave President Reagan the tongue-in-cheek "Sore President of the Year Award" writing "it was given to President Reagan on the basis of reports that in spite of the ever-pleasant smile, he is secretly sore on his old botany teacher for telling him that ketchup is a vegetable."[19]



I see typical leftist media making fun and calling names. I don't see Reagan hiring the food research and action center. Just how are you attributing this to Reagan? Oh....the name calling. You just want in on it?

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 10:29:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I prefer honey, over maple syrup....maple is to me a flavour, honey is just sweet...if that makes sense
but I still use sugar when Im cooking
Corn syrup was something I had never heard of before i moved over here, and Ive never used it in a recipe.
I dont trust food manufacturers to be honest....especially with shit like aspartame



When I first landed in New Zealand, the first time I had ever been out of the country, I bought a Coke. It tasted different. I knew right away it tasted different. I looked at the ingredients - no HFCS! It was made with cane sugar. It's still something I avoid these days, but it was a wake-up call for me at the time how things could be different. Now I'm all buyer beware about my food. We have to be.


When I was in Africa it tasted different. Not sure why. In Germany, they used lemon in it.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

How long have you been able to choose whats in a big mac?



Every time I order it. I don't like their secret sauce. I have them just put mustard on it instead.

well dammit, next time(if there is one) I will demand no damn pickles.


No pickles?!? Blasphemer!

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 10:35:23 AM   
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Pass the Pickles to my wife. She'll eat them for you :D

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 10:43:08 AM   
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My son gets mine, sorry Ken:)

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 10:45:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I prefer honey, over maple syrup....maple is to me a flavour, honey is just sweet...if that makes sense
but I still use sugar when Im cooking
Corn syrup was something I had never heard of before i moved over here, and Ive never used it in a recipe.
I dont trust food manufacturers to be honest....especially with shit like aspartame



When I first landed in New Zealand, the first time I had ever been out of the country, I bought a Coke. It tasted different. I knew right away it tasted different. I looked at the ingredients - no HFCS! It was made with cane sugar. It's still something I avoid these days, but it was a wake-up call for me at the time how things could be different. Now I'm all buyer beware about my food. We have to be.


When I was in Africa it tasted different. Not sure why. In Germany, they used lemon in it.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

How long have you been able to choose whats in a big mac?



Every time I order it. I don't like their secret sauce. I have them just put mustard on it instead.

well dammit, next time(if there is one) I will demand no damn pickles.


No pickles?!? Blasphemer!

LOL

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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 10:54:04 AM   
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Ooooh, someone's a bit butt sore. All I did was point out that the 1980 Act didn't come from Reagan, and that neither Act came from a Republican-led Congress. So, blaming just Reagan and the GOP for the cuts is intellectual dishonesty at best.

Don't forget that President Obama signed legislation that allowed for pizza to be considered a vegetable because of the sauce back in 2011 (also under a divided Congress).


butt sore, no...just quoting wiki....highlighting text thats relevant...
If you think Im butt sore you are seeing WAY to much into it. I think its fucking hysterical that it even became a "thing"
And you missed that the part about Obama signing the repub plan, was already IN the wiki link I posted.
In fact it was in the very first paragraph.
quote:

The regulations allowed administrators the opportunity to credit items not explicitly listed that met nutritional requirements. While ketchup was not mentioned in the original regulations, pickle relish was used as an example of an item that could count as a vegetable.[3] A similar controversy arose in 2011 when Congress passed a bill prohibiting the USDA from increasing the amount of tomato paste required to constitute a vegetable; the bill allowed pizza with two tablespoons of tomato paste to qualify as a vegetable.

I thought you "over" read?



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RE: Food Police - 5/25/2015 2:41:20 PM   
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But, but, but, congress is so wise they know better what we should eat than we could ever know for ourselves! <snark snark>

The origin of margarine was when milk production was diverted into making nylon during WWII. The original margarine was lard with a packet of yellow food coloring and butter flavoring to be stirred into the lard. The some chemist found they could congeal cottonseed oil and corn oil that would otherwise be waste products by hydrogenating the vegetable lipids. Add flavoring and coloring you have margarine and "American" cheese.

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