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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 7:01:39 PM   
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A woman's idea of realistic femdom porn would likely more closely mirror mainstream movies (and not even R rated movies, for the most part), where everything is in the SUGGESTION. It's all in the FEELING. It's in the EMOTION. The DEVOTION. The LOVE. The AFFECTION.

So, for example, a fully clothed guy could play in a realistic femdom porn film quite easily - as long as he does dishes.


Ok, gotcha. If I understand what you're saying, "realistic male dom" porn has to do with a rough fuck and suck and probably a whip or crop or spank. Generally one on one.

"Realistic fem dom" porn is far less sexual.

Here's the disconnect that I'm feeling here. Are you speaking about the audience of these vids, or the actual relationships? If it's the relationships, then I'm having a hard time believing that female-led relationships are quite that different from male-led ones (generally speaking). If it's the audience you're speaking about, then sure, I can believe that women (generally) might like the more "romantic" stuff better.



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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 7:04:04 PM   
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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 7:39:49 PM   
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Porn Piracy - Wired 2010


Reading that article, dated April 29th, 2010, it says DVD sales are down by a third, and the author equates "tube" porn sites with malware infections, yet, they hedge by saying they don't have credible figures (which was the same problem I mentioned in the first post of this thread).

The article says the future is that the porn companies will begin "fingerprinting" the videos within a few months (of 4/2010, so presumably they have done so by now) and that they'll file lawsuits.

In my experience, the porn industry USES the porn sites to PROPAGATE their style of porn, at least the big companies do.

Try, for example, to find a full-length Queensnake fetish film, for example. Try. Really. I dare you. (For those who don't know, Queensnake is a genre where thin gorgeous women realistically (here, realistic means it's not faked) torture other thin gorgeous women with hot pepper up the anus, rubber bands pulled three feet and then snapped on tits with sharp metal barbs on the end, stun guns on wide open shaved pussies, bb guns where the yellow BBs lodge in every crevice on the woman's body, sharp tacks shoved inside a pussy, glass shards shoved in a pussy, and so on (you get the point).

While you may find a full-length Queensnake movie or two on the entire Internet, what you're far more likely to find is thousands upon thousands of one-minute to two-minute snippets, quickly snapping your head back and forth between vignettes of what I described above. Clearly, Queensnake is astroturfing the market, and they are just as clearly very effective in removing their payware from the same marketplace.

Likewise, you'll find the same phenomenon, to a lesser extent than the queen of them all, with Kink.com, the old Insex, the EP and Lupus Films, etc., where you're far more likely to see a two-minute teaser from Kink.com than the real thing.

As for DVD sales being down by a third in 2010, I'm not surprised. When is the last time you BOUGHT a DVD anyway? I haven't bought one in years, and I never bought a porn DVD in my life.

Having said all that, you are probably still correct in that maybe all those tens of thousands of porn videos (including fetish porn) are pirating someone else's copyrighted material.

If that's the case, you would think it would be EASY for the authorities to shut down the web sites, one by one, starting the giants, just as the Attorney General for NY ruined the Usenet by talking AT&T, Yahoo, Comcast, etc. into dropping NNTP because of a the thread of lawsuits for users posting an absolutely puny amount of kiddie porn (which I'm sure existed - but - it killed the entire Usenet for all those companies - which simply dropped their nntp servers - 99.9999999% of which had nothing to do with kiddie porn).

If it was so easy for the AG of NY to shut down every Usenet server run by a large company, then it would be within their power to shut down large porn web site aggregators.

As for how the "tube" porn aggregators make their money - I don't really know.
1. They could be somehow getting customers (but almost all don't even ASK for money)
2. They almost certainly are all selling advertisements (which, for me, I never see, but I'm an experienced computer professional)
3. They could be secretly infecting the customer (I take precautions - but no computer is infallible - as Snowden aptly showed)

All I know is that you can type "sex with plumbers" in any of those tube sites, and get literally hundreds of different porn films, most in the all-important 10 to 20 minute range, which means that somebody is MAKING those films, somebody else is WATCHING those films, and, somehow, somebody is making MONEY (somehow) on those films.

There is clearly an unmet need for porn films about sex with plumbers (and various other topics, as covered above).
Why the great need?

Is the answer as simple as we humans require variety in our sexual lives?

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 7:51:44 PM   
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Are you speaking about the audience of these vids, or the actual relationships?

I was 100% speaking about the audience of the porn films.

My observation is that there is an absolutely astoundingly huge amount of both vanilla and fetish porn films (realistic or unrealistic).
My assumption is that SOMEONE is watching them.
My question is WHY.

They must serve a hugely unmet need.
Let me put that in bigger perspective.

The unmet need must be ASTOUNDINGLY HUGE for the market to be correspondingly as huge.
So, what is the unmet need.

Is it simply the unmet need for variety (as someone posed)?
I don't know.
That's why I asked the question.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 7:55:41 PM   
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My observation is that there is an absolutely astoundingly huge amount of both vanilla and fetish porn films (realistic or unrealistic).
My assumption is that SOMEONE is watching them.
My question is WHY.



I do because I have fantasies that I would never, ever fulfill in real life. I watch them purely for the prurient aspects.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 9:06:10 PM   
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My observation is that there is an absolutely astoundingly huge amount of both vanilla and fetish porn films (realistic or unrealistic).
My assumption is that SOMEONE is watching them.
My question is WHY.

My question is WHY do you need to know why other people do what they do in the privacy of their own homes, specifically strangers on the Internet. Don't you have any friends?
That SOMEONE happens to be you and all the porn you self-admittedly log and keep track of.
Are you comparing notes to figure out what drives your porn addiction? Or are you planning to go into the porn-making business yourself?

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They must serve a hugely unmet need.
Let me put that in bigger perspective.

The unmet need must be ASTOUNDINGLY HUGE for the market to be correspondingly as huge.
So, what is the unmet need.

Evidently, you need to do some soul-searching within to uncover what are your unmet needs.

One of them might be your escapist tendencies to live out your life vicariously.
Another is that when your fix level no longer gives you the temporarily relief you seek, you scour the dredges of whatever you can find to give you that higher high.

There must be a lot of lonely plumbers out there with a bunch of time on their hands hoping to get sexually objectified, cuz ain't nobody I know is fantasizing about doing it with a plumber, not even women who have a fetish/kink for slumming it.

DreamLady

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 9:13:45 PM   
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I do because I have fantasies that I would never, ever fulfill in real life. I watch them purely for the prurient aspects.


Since we're only talking about the human aggregate, we need to extrapolate to the combined populace.

If we assume that it is a fact that porn (including fetish porn) is so hugely a part of the Internet, that it virtually overwhelms most other forms of data outright, then, we must also conclude that this tells us something about the human condition.

Maybe it's that simple.
That a absolutely astoundingly huge number of people (seemingly virtually everyone, perhaps) has an unmet need for fulfilling prurient aspects of their sexual fantasies.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 9:30:54 PM   
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If we assume that it is a fact that porn (including fetish porn) is so hugely a part of the Internet, that it virtually overwhelms most other forms of data outright, then, we must also conclude that this tells us something about the human condition.

Maybe it's that simple.
That a absolutely astoundingly huge number of people (seemingly virtually everyone, perhaps) has an unmet need for fulfilling prurient aspects of their sexual fantasies.


It doesn't boggle my mind at all. People, in general, like sex. With the relative anonymity of the net, it doesn't surprise me at all that people are watching all kinds of things.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 9:34:01 PM   
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WHY do you need to know why other people do what they do in the privacy of their own homes,


If we accept that porn (including fetish porn) is an astoundingly huge part of Internet data collection (witness the evidence specified in the first post of this thread, for example), then it should be obvious to you that this tells us something about the human condition.

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Are you comparing notes to figure out what drives your porn addiction? Or are you planning to go into the porn-making business yourself?

I'm not sure where you want to go with that line of thought, but, to answer your question forthright, I have no plans to go into the porn-making business, nor am I the person who is fueling the astoundingly huge amount of porn on the Internet.

In fact, if you think clearly - you'd realize that were I to never have been born, the amount of porn (including fetish porn) that would be on the Internet would be ... oh ... let me get out my calculator ... yep ... just what I thought... it would be just about ... EXACTLY as much as there is now.

If you do not agree to that statement, then maybe your line of reasoning has merit.
However, if you agree with that statement, then you should be able to elevate yourself above the individual, to see what the overall pattern tells us about human sexual behavior.

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Evidently, you need to do some soul-searching within to uncover what are your unmet needs.
Evidently, you don't seem to understand your own perceptions of reality.


Let's take this away from porn for a moment, to get into your head that this phenomenon has NOTHING to do with you or with me, but, with HUMANS as a whole.

Have you ever been to a prostitute? Maybe? Maybe not? OK.
Have I ever been to a prostitute? It doesn't really matter on an individual basis. You know why?
I'll tell you why.

Because, if you and I were never ever born, there would still be ... oh ... let me get out my calculator ... yep ... just what I thought... there would be just about ... EXACTLY as many prostitutes out there as there are now.

In fact, if the United States never even existed, and North America was taken over by, oh, say by Africans or by Russians (or whomever), there would still be just about as much prostitution in the world as there is now.

Now why is that?
It's because prostitution is part of the human condition.

As you must know, prostitution abounds in almost every country in the world (it's perfectly legal in most non-communist & non-theological countries in fact). Certainly prostitution abounds in the United States (if you object to that premise, we can dig up figures).

Clearly prostitution meets an otherwise unmet need.
You may think it an unfair question to ask WHY.

But I feel that is a fair question that you seem to have trivialized in your mind based on your line of questioning.

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There must be a lot of lonely plumbers out there with a bunch of time on their hands hoping to get sexually objectified, cuz ain't nobody I know is fantasizing about doing it with a plumber, not even women who have a fetish/kink for slumming it.


I have to agree with you that it's amazing that there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of porn films based on a storyline of sexual encounters with the plumber, all easily found in about ten seconds, using a simple search engine script (which is what I used since I script anything that I perform more than once).

The fact that we can find, in seconds, hundreds of porn films of almost anything, for example, sewing up women's pussies, or hanging men by their balls, or femdom piss drinking, etc., is telling us something about the human condition.

Maybe, as someone said, all that porn is merely created and consumed to satisfy an apparently insatiable need for human sexual variety.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 9:35:30 PM   
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Maybe it's that simple.

For horny net geeks.

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That a absolutely astoundingly huge number of people (seemingly virtually everyone, perhaps) has an unmet need for fulfilling prurient aspects of their sexual fantasies.

You have an entire entertainment industry built upon, supported and sustained by acting out virtually every fantasy and inchoate desire that humans are capable of imagining and possessing.

That you see just the "prurient aspects of their sexual fantasies" reveals more about you than anything else.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 9:50:16 PM   
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For horny net geeks.

You seem to consistently misunderstand large numbers such that I might helpfully suggest you improve your knowledge of numbering systems, specifically the base-10 number system.

Pay special attention to the number of zeros to the right (after the 1). The more zeros, the bigger the number.
HINT: If there are a lot of zeros, it's a really really big number.

BTW, this phenomenon has nothing particularly to do with the Internet. Porn, including fetish porn, would still exist even if the Internet never existed (it would just be etched in marble or printed on paper or indented onto optical discs or onto whatever delivery format existed that replaced the Internet).

In short, the huge amount of porn and its customers has nothing whatsoever to do with "horny net geeks" (although certainly they are a component, as must be most humans, based on the sheer numbers and prevalence).

Based on the numbers, porn (or what we know as porn when we see it), including fetish porn, must be part of the human condition.

Just as graffiti is apparently part of the human condition (even the ruins of Greek and Roman cities have evidence of graffiti), porn and prostitution are an integral component of human behavior.

The numbers tell us that.
The question is why.

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That you see just the "prurient aspects of their sexual fantasies" reveals more about you than anything else.

I'm not sure whom you're responding to, since prurience was thoughtfully brought up by someone else as the explanation for the stated phenomenon.


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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 10:17:42 PM   
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It doesn't boggle my mind at all. People, in general, like sex. With the relative anonymity of the net, it doesn't surprise me at all that people are watching all kinds of things.


I think things that are prevalent in huge numbers such as porn, prostitution (and, yes, graffiti), existed prior to the Internet, and, had the Internet never existed, they would still exist.

We wouldn't be able to MEASURE it as easily as we can with the Internet, but, I don't think anyone can seriously say that the "anonymity of the net" is what created porn anymore than they can say it's the dollar bill that created prostitution (or that the spray can is what created graffiti).

The huge numbers tell us that there is an unmet need.
The question is WHO and WHAT.

Who has that unmet need.
What is that unmet need.

To illustrate where I'm going with this question, let's take the much simpler case of graffiti, for example.

Would most of us say that graffiti exists in almost every country in the world?
Would we agree that graffiti is not caused by "magic markers" or "spray cans" but that it is caused by an unmet need of human beings?

Who are those human beings?
What is their unmet need?

If we are to understand graffiti, we must answer those two questions.
It might be the case with graffiti that we most often see graffiti in poor areas of the world (such as in the inner cities, and in slums).
If so, could we assume that most graffiti is written by a human of lower socioeconomic status desperately trying to tell the world at large some kind of a STORY? Some kind of a message? Some shout of their very existence? Some mark of their importance?

If we can answer that question, we can go a long way toward understanding the root cause of graffiti.

BTW- DISCLAIMER- I can't even READ most graffiti - but I still think the graffiti artist is trying to get a message out, and, I believe that graffiti is part of the human condition.

Therefore, it is important to understand the answer to these basic questions:
WHO is creating all this graffiti?
WHAT is their unmet need?

Only after we understand the answer to those two fundamental questions about the HUMAN CONDITION, can we then start to understand graffiti. And, if we consider graffiti a problem that needs to be resolved, once we understand the human condition that causes graffiti, then we can begin an intelligent approach to SOLVING that particular problem (if we wish to solve it).

Back to our story, why does porn (and fetish porn) exist in such huge numbers?
The answer must be that there is an otherwise unmet need that is met by porn (just as prostitution meets an otherwise unmet need).

The question is merely
Who has that unmet need?
What is that unmet need?

Is it just net geeks, as one person proposed?
Is it just me? As that same person intimated?
Or, must we cast a wider net?

Are these people seeking to fulfill their need for prurience alone? Or is it variety?
Or, as I tend to think (without proof, I admit) that it's simply sheer lack of quantity?

What is the fundamentally unmet need that millions of humans so desperately need to fill with porn (and particularly for this group, with fetish porn)?

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 10:18:44 PM   
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You seem to consistently misunderstand large numbers such that I might suggest you improve your knowledge of statistics.
The phenomenon would still exist if the Internet never existed (it would just be in paper or on DVDs or whatever existed that replaced the Internet).

You are assuming that I share your love of statistical masturbation. I don't.
The point is, if you had a point worth making, you wouldn't have had to start this thread. Running out of wank material after depleting your freebie porn storehouse so soon?

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Porn (or what we know as porn when we see it), including fetish porn, is part of the human condition.
Just as GRAFFITI is part of the human condition (even the ruins of Greek and Roman cities have evidence of graffiti), porn and prostitution are an integral component of human behavior.

The numbers tell us that.

Numbers tell you whatever you want them to tell you. I would say that your frequent references are merely sweeping generalizations which you haven't supported by any clinical or objective data, but I don't care to send you out on a mission that you might return from.

Much of that ancient graffiti is scrawled within the quarters where brothels were located. Cities like Pompeii were pleasure resorts. There were also temples of sacred prostitution and some of what you describe as graffiti were signposts or an ancient form of the more modern advertising billboard. If you've ever been around the country, at nearly every sightseeing spot, there is a comic figure drawn with the words "Kilroy was here." Hmm, what should we extrapolate from that? Expressive graffiti itself as part of the human condition, prehistoric cave drawings and handprints, hunting scenes, carved fetish-fertility objects. What of it?

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I'm not sure whom you're responding to, since prurience was thoughtfully brought up by someone else as the explanation for the stated phenomenon.

What, not wank-worthy enough for your purposes? You took one person's explanation pertaining to herself and ran with it.

If you want to informally gather "statistical" data, then perhaps you should start a poll. Why not ask how many of those who spend time on the Internet have no interest in seeing or watching porn because not everybody does, and not everyone is like you.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 10:51:24 PM   
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You are assuming that I share your love of statistical masturbation. I don't.
Running out of wank material after depleting your freebie porn storehouse so soon?

Your line of reasoning distinctly reminds me of the third grader who, perhaps being the only one in the class who failed an easy math test, shouts to the other kids "your mother wears army boots and swims after troop ships."
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Numbers tell you whatever you want them to tell you.

Maybe you missed the dozen times I said it, so, I'll say it once more - just for you.

The numbers show that porn (and, in this particular instance, fetish porn) are part of the HUMAN CONDITION.
That much is clear.

What's not clear is why this is the case.

For example, there should be roughly an equal number (give or take a few percentages) of adult men and women on earth.
We can assume that a huge number of these adults are "paired" (although I have not looked up what percentage is not paired).
If we assume that the sexuality of most of those pairings are heterosexual, that would mean that there are roughly equal numbers of men and women in sexual relationships.

We might argue that, but if we continue on that tack, we might then wonder why porn exists at all, if the huge number of partners satisfied the sexual appetite of the other party.

But, I'm getting (way) ahead of myself, as we haven't figured out WHO are the purveyors of the huge amount of porn yet.
Is it just men? Is it just net geek men? (Do you allow female net geeks into that equation or do female net geeks not exist?)
Is it just single men?
Is it just polygamous men?
Is it just polygamous men who are womanizers who are never going to be satisfied by whatever kink a single woman can provide?
Or, is it basically everyone?

The key question, to answer first anyway, is the rough percentage of women and men who are the ones needing all this fetish porn.
I'm going to throw out a wild-assed guess that it's 90% men and only 10% women.

Since each of us has a mother and a father, to put that into perspective, that means 9 out of 10 of our fathers, but only 1 out of 10 of our mothers.

Now, the crucial question comes.
Why?

What is our father's unmet need that our own mothers didn't provide?

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 11:48:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did they teach you in 3rd grade what circular logic is? As in a dog chasing his own tail around and around in circles.

Do we really need to know what supposed needs of your father's that your mother didn't fill? Do any of us give a rat's ass? I know I don't.

I'm done here, tumbling one. . . .

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/5/2015 12:57:48 AM   
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Your name isn't John is it?

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/5/2015 2:38:12 AM   
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I think it all has to do with market. There are a lot of porn, in general, because there are a lot of "buyers".

Being Aspergers, I could list free sites for watching hour-long fetish porn movies until you all drop dead of boredom.
So, that's what I don't get.

Why are there millions of these fetish movies out there?
What purpose do they serve?

Whatever purpose they serve, must mean that a need isn't being met otherwise.

Plus, nobody is buying them. They're all quite free. They don't even ASK you to buy them.

I guess the web sites are making money off the ads (I wouldn't know as I haven't seen an ad in quite some time, and if an ad pops up past all my filters, I squash it in a moment, once I look at the underlying scripts that popped it up in the first place).

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And if there is a video of a plummer having sex with a girl, for most people would be vanilla but for some, if they have a fetish with plummers...

I ran a search for sex with the plumber and found hundreds in seconds!
http://www.goldpornfilms.com/en/search/plumber/
http://www.youporn.com/search/?query=plumber
http://www.tonicmovies.com/en/search/?q=plumber&form=1
http://www.alphaporno.com/search/?q=plumber
http://www.fapvid.com/en/search/?q=plumber&f=1
http://xhamster.com/search.php?new=&q=plumber&qcat=video
http://www.tubeteasers.com/search/?q=plumber&form=1

There must be a few hundred different sex films right there, with the plumber.

So, again, "plumber sex" porn films must serve a fundamental purpose.
They must solve a need. That need must be unmet otherwise.
Otherwise, they wouldn't exist.



How many men are out there without a sub or Domme? How many women are there married in a boring sexual life? If you go to the ad section of every bdsm forum theres thousands, and even me for example, I watch porn sometimes because I want to see a thing in particular last one was japanese kink porn and chocking.

And of course making porn is easy, and most sites have porn that was uploaded by people but it does not belong to the site, the site is making money from publicity from others peoples work...

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/5/2015 11:14:41 PM   
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Tumbler, you sound like my son-in-law *grins*

Your name isn't John is it?

Wow. You're actually right on the money.

My name IS "John".
How did you know?

But, I took a look the liberty to peruse your lovely Fetlife profile pictures of you and your home down under, and I don't recognize you (not the least being I'm not married so I can't be anyone's son in law). (As an unrelated aside, I do like your approach in your profile though. Very refreshing.)

What was interesting in your profile, posted just after your fever broke, on May 28th, was your purposeful reference to the most boring porn video ever, which, classic as it was, was a typical 95-minute Kink.com TheUpperFloor.com video titled "A Good Year for Slaves", which, both of us would heartily agree, should better be titled something like "A Boring Hour and a Half for All".

While your journal entry purposefully listed that film as a classic example of boring male dom porn, I'm sure it's, unfortunately, the type of film I'll bet a lot of people consider "all porn", as unimaginative as that sounds. In fact, if this is what most people see as porn, then I feel really sorry for them. They're seeing only the 1/3 that is utter garbage - hence they're missing 2/3 of what's actually out there.

While I understood your point in your journal that, for you, porn is not only about sex, I think you hit upon exactly where I was coming from in that the porn for women is not the same as the porn for men.

Again, speaking for others is fraught with peril, but, in general, the men can do fine with naked bodies being abused, while the women, as you noted in your journal, want more than just raw kinky unadulterated sex.

In the case of Kink.com, it's not only boring as hell, but it's not even 1% realistic (as defined by the 90% or greater chance of it actually happening in real life). In fact, it's not even porn, in my opinion - it's just garbage. And, that's what most people think porn is, so, if that's all they see, I can see how they think that way. Unimaginative they are.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/5/2015 11:58:40 PM   
Tumbler


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ORIGINAL: fetishandpain
How many men are out there without a sub or Domme?

That's a good point. There are almost certainly millions of men sans Domme or submissive, who, still need to get their rocks off (ask me how I know).

So, for that, they make porn films, both unrealistic (see anything from Kink.com, for example), to realistic (which is basically just people doing their thing, which, I estimated in the first post to be about 1/3 the porn out there).

Here, for example, is a 10-minute fetish film of a Japanese gal with a well-bruised ass getting fisted and speculumed by a Japanese guy (who does a lot of fetish films, where the whipping and bruises and blood always appears to be real). NOTE: It's best to turn off the sound on ALL Japanese films, for obvious reasons.

That's an example of "realistic" porn, which was defined simply as something that has a 90% chance of happening in real life (assuming you had a Japanese gal handy who felt like being fisted, of course). There's no real plot other than the fist goes in the ass, and stays there.

But, the appeal of the realistic porn isn't the plot - it's that the sex depicted is realistic enough to realistically teleport yourself into the film as whatever character floats your sexual boat.

And, in the case of fetish sex, the need apparently has been around forever for VARIETY, and, in the case of some fetishes (especially those involving pain, clamps, needles, etc.) the need may really be for variety that is IMPOSSIBLE to attain on your own.

For example, here's a specifically interesting hour-long German male-dom tit-torture fetish film and here is a similar hour-long maledom skewer and shock fetish film, both of which clearly predates the Internet (both were almost certainly originally released on VHS tape) which allows one's mind to enjoy variety that they'd probably NEVER do on their own to a woman, e.g., the bloody pussy in the latter and the skewered tits in the former.

So, this purported need for VARIETY certainly (vastly) predates the Internet (so-called net-geeks notwithstanding).

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ORIGINAL: fetishandpain
How many women are there married in a boring sexual life?

I appreciate you're using a variant of the Socratic method, which is to ask the question which answers the conundrum.
Perhaps it is this simple - that porn (particularly fetish porn) is able to satisfy the lack of variety (as someone else aptly noted) in our sexual lives.

With alphabetical listings, there's something for everyone, and, we can all learn a few new kinks every day, just by watching a few hour-long videos on the various fetish topics.

quote:

ORIGINAL: fetishandpain
If you go to the ad section of every bdsm forum theres thousands, and even me for example, I watch porn sometimes because I want to see a thing in particular particular moment in time.


Putting both concepts together, that of NUMBERS & VARIETY, that means even if we DID pair every fetish'ee with a fetish'er, there still would be a need for porn, in order to provide the missing VARIETY.

quote:

ORIGINAL: fetishandpain
last one was japanese kink porn and chocking


I have to admit, the Japanese are hard to figure out for me. They pixelize things that are no big deal, yet, they aim for youth in a bold way, and they go all out when it comes to snakes and weird Godzilla-like creatures having sex, in addition to having an unrealistically patient view on what they consider bondage artistry! :)

So, I must admit, when it comes to variety, Japanese fetish porn isn't my thing. I guess it's mostly that I just can't handle the propensity for the ladies to feel they must continuously output those characteristically Japanese overly dramatic orgasmic squeals. :)

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/6/2015 5:31:34 AM   
dullfin


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Status: offline 		Tumbler's analysis of the male/female perception gap(chasm/gulf/Grand Canyon? How far is it between Venus and Mars,anyway?) hits the spot. For the average male, simple visual stimulation in whatever sexual context works every time, is endlessly watchable. Maybe sufficiently so as to seduce enough men drift into paying for it - if the promise is of more and better. There must be a payback down the line for those producing the material and posting it.

Tumbler's analysis of what stimulates the female is depressing for us males, especially us who want to be femdommed, but probably accurate for all that. So, the Stepford Husband role is what awaits us then. Be nice and vanilla outside the home, do all the chores inside the home, pamper the Domme in every way, and maybe, just maybe, but only if you are very very good, for a very, very long time (I'm talking years here), you just might get a tap on the bottom with the back of a hair brush, followed by a 'are we finished now?' Ahhh, I see it. That's why there is such a market for porn, and professional services - and always has been. The internet hasn't changed the fundamentals, just offered new ways of servicing the market.

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