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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/29/2015 1:56:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I found an answer to two of the important open questions.

1. On the topic of size, the porn industry (in 2010) earned 1.24 times the revenue of the mainstream film industry (which makes porn about one fourth larger than mainstream films, in terms of gross revenue).
A new business model for porn, Reuters, Entertainment section.
quote:

[Porn is] "a $13 billion industry (compared to mainstream box office of $10.6 billion)."


2. On the topic of copyright concerns, this article by "New York Magazine" explains, what I found out in my research, which is that much of the porn is perfectly legitimate, and most is provided freely since they make their money mostly the same way Facebook, Google, Fetlife, and Collarspace do.
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The tubes had a new business model: They made most of their money by keeping surfers on their sites and selling banner ads, though they also put some content behind a paywall.


For example, here are two screenshots which were all too commonly seen in the 100 porn flicks I had tested for this thread.

a. The first shot depicts a common "copyright" notice which matches the web site where the flick was found, so, it was certainly provided under licensing agreement.
b. The second shot depicts a common "trailer" notice which indicates the flick is a legitimate trailer.


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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/8/2015 7:56:29 AM   
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I don't know about the internet but Holy Jebus . . . there is way too much of it on my network storage system! I have 5,874 movies accumulated from the 3 years I worked in the industry. I used to have commercial RRS feeds from service provider. I mass copied tons of movie files to experiment with my own servers and improved streaming video systems.

Right now I am swapping out my RAID drives on my network file server for smaller faster ones. I don't manage porn sites anymore so I wanted to sort through the movies and delete all the atypical crap and save the rare ones. Some of them are actually worth saving because they would make good movies for 'popcorn & porn' parties. However, I just don't think I am up to skimming through 5,874 movies right now . . . or ever! If each movie is 90 minutes, that is 367 days worth of viewing. Even if I skim through at 8x, I don't think it's worth a month's work so I can save a couple dozen notable rare ones.

Hell, even Windows doesn't want to deal with it! Says it will take 13 hours to delete all those movies. It will be faster to move the other data and format the drive.


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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/14/2015 7:40:35 PM   
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Anyone know how much of the internet is kink porn? Why does this stuff exist in such huge amounts?

In my opinion, about 1/3 of porn is realistic since it's just people having sex of all different types, while 1/3 is highly unrealistic which is just a produced movie following a script - and I haven't seen the last 1/3 yet to characterize it yet.

Huffington post said in 2013 that porn is 1/3 the network traffic (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/03/internet-porn-stats_n_3187682.html) but it didn't say how much was kinky porn.

Gizmodo said in 2012 that each of the top porn sites (XVideos, LiveJasmin, YouPorn, Tube8, and Pornhub) were "on par" with Facebook and Google (http://gizmodo.com/5899327/how-much-porn-does-the-internet-hold) with an average 20 minutes per visit for 4.4 billion views per month on each site.

I couldn't find numbers for fetish porn, but, like prostitution, these things must exist in such stupendously huge amounts for a really really really really good and fundamental (to humans) reason.

It the reason simply that all people love to look at and watch sex, including kinky sex?



I actually create 93.22749982736% of the porn currently on the net.

Was there something particular you were looking for?

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/15/2015 1:49:35 PM   
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"Anyone know how much of the internet is kink porn?"

I don't know about the internet but Holy Jebus . . . there is way too much of it on my network storage system! I have 5,874 movies accumulated from the 3 years I worked in the industry. I used to have commercial RRS feeds from service provider. I mass copied tons of movie files to experiment with my own servers and improved streaming video systems.

Right now I am swapping out my RAID drives on my network file server for smaller faster ones. I don't manage porn sites anymore so I wanted to sort through the movies and delete all the atypical crap and save the rare ones. Some of them are actually worth saving because they would make good movies for 'popcorn & porn' parties. However, I just don't think I am up to skimming through 5,874 movies right now . . . or ever! If each movie is 90 minutes, that is 367 days worth of viewing. Even if I skim through at 8x, I don't think it's worth a month's work so I can save a couple dozen notable rare ones.

Hell, even Windows doesn't want to deal with it! Says it will take 13 hours to delete all those movies. It will be faster to move the other data and format the drive.


Once you finish that culling RS, we need to chat.
I am VERY interested in any SM porn that passes muster with you.

As for me, bah, 9% of BDSM porn blows ass. Its almost all staged and fake.
Sadly, that's why I watch so little of it. And mebbe this is just Me and I'm in an old man "Get offa My lawn" stage of life, but back in the early days of the net, there was wilder crap floating around then I tend to see nowadays.
The really far out there depraved shit, yeah, I can't find it anymore. And lots of my old fave sites are gone and never replaced.
There's much much more quantity, but real brutal SM isn't as easy to find as it once was.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/18/2015 11:32:18 AM   
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People are curious and that drives the huge fascination indeed obsession with pornographic film.
All this agonising over and dissection of particular genres is futile.
We are all voyeurs and to that extent, putty in the hands of the porn industry.
I have very catholic tastes. I like to see good amateur footage and equally well produced professional work.
The OP's questions are academic but irrelevant- my opinion!

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/18/2015 1:01:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

"Anyone know how much of the internet is kink porn?"

I don't know about the internet but Holy Jebus . . . there is way too much of it on my network storage system! I have 5,874 movies accumulated from the 3 years I worked in the industry. I used to have commercial RRS feeds from service provider. I mass copied tons of movie files to experiment with my own servers and improved streaming video systems.

Right now I am swapping out my RAID drives on my network file server for smaller faster ones. I don't manage porn sites anymore so I wanted to sort through the movies and delete all the atypical crap and save the rare ones. Some of them are actually worth saving because they would make good movies for 'popcorn & porn' parties. However, I just don't think I am up to skimming through 5,874 movies right now . . . or ever! If each movie is 90 minutes, that is 367 days worth of viewing. Even if I skim through at 8x, I don't think it's worth a month's work so I can save a couple dozen notable rare ones.

Hell, even Windows doesn't want to deal with it! Says it will take 13 hours to delete all those movies. It will be faster to move the other data and format the drive.


Once you finish that culling RS, we need to chat.
I am VERY interested in any SM porn that passes muster with you.

As for me, bah, 9% of BDSM porn blows ass. Its almost all staged and fake.
Sadly, that's why I watch so little of it. And mebbe this is just Me and I'm in an old man "Get offa My lawn" stage of life, but back in the early days of the net, there was wilder crap floating around then I tend to see nowadays.
The really far out there depraved shit, yeah, I can't find it anymore. And lots of my old fave sites are gone and never replaced.
There's much much more quantity, but real brutal SM isn't as easy to find as it once was.


I agree, there was wilder stuff on my fav old porn sites. Even insex.com had an authentic feel to it. But some of those old German and British sites were brutal. No fluffy floggers and moans of pleasure . . . more like bullwhips, fire, outdoor tortures where people actually got dirty and upside down suspended water dunking that would make switching to waterboarding a pleasant relief and feel like you're getting your face washed.

I am sorry to confess, I am a wuss when it comes to suffering through endless hours of shitty porn to ferret out a few good ones . . . I gave up and wiped the drive.


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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/18/2015 1:44:04 PM   
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The rest is silence.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/18/2015 1:58:48 PM   
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But some of those old German and British sites were brutal. No fluffy floggers and moans of pleasure etc.


Hey I'm German by nature. I was totally taken aghast when I discovered something that I do like.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/21/2015 1:51:42 PM   
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As for me, bah, 9% of BDSM porn blows ass. Its almost all staged and fake.


Probably almost all porn is staged, but, I've seen two fundamental types of porn.
1. The professional garbage (great lighting, beautiful people, sharp focus, showroom bedrooms, etc.)
2. The bedroom amateur (just two or more people having great sex or kinky sex or femdom encounters, etc.)

The first type is all staged and fake from the likes of anyone in this "List of Pornographic film Studios".

Those 75 to 100 companies make almost all the garbage porn out there (yes, even the ones where the pizza delivery man or the plumber gets the cute horny babes). Yet, that leaves the other half of porn being simply a couple making love, or a white guy getting a blowjob from a black hooker, or a naked man washing the floor of a clothed woman or of a Japanese woman getting whipped on the bed, etc.

Some of that ad-hoc porn is even from the inside of a toilet (mostly from Japan, based on the way the women squat), or the underside of women's skirts on the escalator (again, seemingly mostly from Japan) or of sharking (again, mostly from Japan) or of heavy whipping and tit torture (a lot from Germany) or of petite Asians fucked anally (e.g., Asian Street Meat from Thailand, I think), etc. where is't just people doing their kinky things. No plot. Just sex. Just kink. Just naked bodies. Juices flowing. It's a mess with respect to lighting and decor, but, it's sexual porn nonetheless.

THAT's the half of porn that is somewhat realistic. The other half, even for all its attention to cinematic detail, is, IMHO, the garbage you speak of.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/21/2015 2:01:08 PM   
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I actually create 93.22749982736% of the porn currently on the net.
Was there something particular you were looking for?


Well, uh, yes, now that you asked.
While I have been extolling the virtues of the realistic porn (such as a camera in the bedroom while two people fuck), the one type of porn that almost never seems to be realistic, is Femdom Porn.

I can find, for example, tons of Maledom Porn where the guy in a t-shirt and jeans binds the naked gal and touches her in all sorts of places in ways that she may or may not enjoy with devices which may or may not feel good where it is enjoyable for others to watch her reaction, and, which is, to my point, at least somewhat realistic.

But, I can't find much (if any) of Femdom Porn that is even close to somewhat realistic.

No matter how much I seek it out, the typical Femdom Porn video is, assuredly, of the stuff that most men crave and fantasize about, which is do-me fetish-delivery-system all-about-his-cock porn, but which isn't realistic in the least if you were to ask the opinion of the ladies involved in the kind for real.

Sure, LOTS and lots of horny men with cock shots in their profiles ave those types of fantasies (which is why that style of porn exists); but what's depicted in the videos will never happen - in reality - since that's just not how it seems to work in real life.

I like to see porn that depicts EXACTLY what happens in real life (yes, even if it "is" just of a guy washing her dishes and getting the paper for her to relax by the TV to read).

So, um, if you are taking on requests, I'd like a serving of realistic Femdom porn, medium to well done please, with a tiny bit of spice, if I may.

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/21/2015 2:04:58 PM   
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Probably almost all porn is staged, but, I've seen two fundamental types of porn.

QFT.
I know and accept this (Notes that I watch lots of regular smut-just not much bondage porn). But fuck it all, when I see a BDSM scene I don't want to see fake light lashes with a feather flogger, watch some skank ass failed actress writhe and roll around and pretend that it hurt.
I want shit like Elite Pain where you can watch those thigh muscles spasm in response to the strike, where you can watch the welt appear and grow, where you can see the slave flinch, where the fear and the pain is present and evident.
I want real effing pain.I want really effing control.
Not choreographed ballet
Not this kink.com crap where everyone is all lovey dovey smiley and waving at the end.
Now, I'm open-minded enough to understand that my perception is biased because I like to play our on the edge and I'm a pretty serious sadist.
But fuck. Most BDSM porn sucks. I don't wanna spend an hour watching knots get tied.
I don't care about most that shit.
Give me sex and pain and violence, raw as Steak Tartare,

Truth...and I ain't saying this to brag but because its real-Five minutes of damn near any scene I've done in the last ten years would smoke any porn movie out there on the net.
Why?
Because, like violence, its quick, its dirty, its brutal in its savagery and visceral emotional and physical impact.

That's what I wish porn was like.

Think those old Max Hardcore movies where he practically raped chicks (See the Max/Brianna Banks scene if you want a pointer)
That shit was harsh and had connotations of realness that almost nothing I see anymore does.

Now get off My lawn you damn young whippersnappers....

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/24/2015 5:33:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been patiently researching some of the questions brought up, and one of them was whether the huge amount of porn was legally disseminated by the porn tube sites.

In doing my research, I found this appeals court ruling in California which basically says not only is it perfectly legal, but it's also more efficient (that's literally what the judges said!).

Appeals Court: free Internet porn isn't unfair competition to pay sites

Apparently that lawsuit which was rejected was filed by subscription-based porn sites against the tube-based websites.

The argument against Redtube was
quote:

"Now that consumers have the ability to watch high quality adult videos for free on redtube.com, fewer are making the choice to pay other adult website proprietors for the same content."


In the appellate decision, the judges describe the Redtube business model, when they say:
quote:

it's the business model typical of broadcast radio and television stations in the United States not to mention thousands of local newspapers and, more recently, tens of thousands of Internet websites including YouTube, CNN and Yahoo.

The undisputed evidence showed that [the porn tube site's owner] obtains most of the videos it shows on Redtube free of charge from advertisers who pay [him] to display their videos containing their ads. Fundamentally, there is no difference between Redtube and a radio station in the early 1900s that broadcasted records it obtained for free from a music store and, in return, told its listeners where the records could be purchased. In both cases the broadcaster's purpose is not to destroy competition or a competitor but to attract patrons to its broadcast site where they will, hopefully, respond to its advertisers' messages.


So, at least the biggest of the free porn tube sites is clearly legal in giving out ooodles of porn for free.

Other references said essentially the same thing:
Time Magazine: Court Rules Free Internet Porn Okay
California court says free internet porn is legal
Free Internet Porn Isn't Unfair Competition To Pay Sites: Appeals Court


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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/24/2015 5:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the articles referenced above, I found it surprising that a portion of the business model of the porn tube sites was to allow free viewing but to charge for downloading (especially since I've never paid to download anything, yet, I seem to be able to download almost anything I want, for free.)

I find that odd, so, I'd like to ask folks here whether they view the result worth any difference? That is, if you could completely stream a video for free, would you then pay to download that very same video?

This is the quote, from that first reference above
quote:

"Initially redtube.com featured only adult entertainment videos for free," the filing acknowledged. "Now, [the redtube owner] still displays streaming videos for free on redtube.com, however, it advertises a 'premium' subscription that permits additional capabilities, such as downloading the videos."


If it's simply the case of streaming versus downloading, I don't see why anyone would pay for that distinction, for a couple of reasons.

The first is that I don't see the difference in value between streaming and downloading. (Do you?)

The second may be peculiar to me, since I use a common privacy enhanced Firefox browser that never streams; it downloads anyway, for privacy reasons. (You should also use a privacy enhanced browser, even if you don't yourself watch porn for really good reasons, which, if you don't know, you really should know, for your own good).

Given that I don't (literally) see the difference between streaming and downloading, yet, I see the business model of the web site relies, in part, on the distinction in value to the user, I ask ...

Do you find MORE value in downloading a kinky video to watch offline at your leisure than in simply streaming your fetish smut over and over again at your leisure while connected to the net?

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RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/28/2015 1:03:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		TEST REPORT FOR ORIGINAL FETISH CONTENT PORN WEB SITES:

I realize this is probably the Aspergers in me showing through, but some of the comments in this thread related to the fact that there are few ORIGINAL HOSTING porn sites. I think I found "most" of them, and report my tests on a score of them below.

For every site, I ran 20 tests for fetish content with encryption and browser anonymity turned on (which is probably the ONLY way anyone should ever access a sexually oriented site, whether it be collarme or porn), where my results over the past few weeks are shown below in a best-to-worst listing.

In the results below, I removed the fully qualified domain names (all were either .com, .org, .net, or .biz) because the point is simply to show how various sites fare when searching for fetish-related porn using a the easy-to-use Tor Browser for anonymity and security.

As we noted prior, many porn sites simply point to another site, so, the key here is that all the sites below were selected because they hosted the content themselves.

That means there were five or ten times as many porn sites which were tested but rejected because they merely pointed to one of these sites below.

Here is my alphabetical assessment of the top score of ORIGINAL CONTENT porn sites, with filters set to 10 to 40 minutes long, and "femdom" and "caning" being the fetish keywords used (10 videos for each category were tested). If the site found what I considered to be a decent assortment of fetish porn, then it fared better in the ratings for search category below than a site that found almost nothing or nothing of fetish content related to those keywords.

Secondarily, a site that worked well with the Tor Browser Bundle (which is a privacy-enhanced Firefox), fared better than a site that did not work well with the privacy-enhanced Firefox browser.

Here are my preliminary results (in alphabetical order within a category):

  • These were the best sites for searching for fetish porn
  • 2femdom.??? [goodsearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • xHamster.??? [goodsearch][ok tor browser bundle]

  • These were good sites for searching for fetish porn
  • alphaporno.??? [oksearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • crocotube.??? [oksearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • TubeWolf.??? [oksearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • YouJizz.??? [oksearch][ok tor browser bundle]

  • These were ok sites for searching for fetish porn
  • AnyPorn.??? [badsearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • Beeg.??? [badsearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • Pornoid.??? [badsearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • PornTube.??? [badsearch][ok tor browser bundle] (same as PornerBros)
  • PornerBros.??? [badsearch][ok tor browser bundle] (same as PornTube)
  • TubeCup.??? [badsearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • VikiPorn.??? [badsearch][ok tor browser bundle]
  • WanKoz.??? [badsearch][ok tor browser bundle]

  • These were bad sites for searching for fetish porn
  • Ah-Me.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • DeviantClip.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • DrTuber.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • EmpFlix.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • FetishShrine.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • Fux.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • H2Porn.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • HardSexTube.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • HDporn.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • JustPorno.tv [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • KeezMovies.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • MoviesAnd.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • NudeVista.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • NuVid.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • OverThumbs.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • PornHub.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • Pornoxo.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • RawTube.??? [nosearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • RedTube.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • Sunporno.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • TnaFlix.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • Tube8.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • Xnxx.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • Xvideos.??? [oksearch][no tor browser bundle]
  • Youporn.??? [badsearch][no tor browser bundle]

    Note that the sites that didn't work well with the secure browser were listed as "no tor browser bundle", while the sites that worked well with the secure browser were listed as "ok tor browser bundle".

    You can obtain the Tor Browser Bundle here (in my opinion, you should never use any other browser on a fetish-related site for sheer privacy reasons).
    https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en



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    RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 7/28/2015 1:13:27 PM   
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    Status: offline     		TEST REPORT FOR NON-ORIGINAL FETISH CONTENT PORN WEB SITES:

    As I noted above, there were five or ten times as many sites tested as shown above, since many more sites POINT to the original fetish porn site than actually host the fetish porn themselves.

    To that end, in a separate, but, related test, I listed a few web sites that were NOT in the list above, which did NOT contain original content, but which referenced ONE of the sites above (namely the ubiquitous xhamster web site), and I tested those aggregation sites for their fetish porn success.

    Again, I searched for "femdom" and for "caning" fetish porn of from 10 minutes to 40 minutes long, and chose ten files for each category, and listed below the successful percentage of downloads based on those two sets of searches:

    Again, these are listed in best-to-worst order, and alphabetical by percentage:
    GOOD
  • bdsmmoviestube.??? > xhamster (90%)
  • femdomfetish.??? > xhamster (90%)
  • germanporntube.??? > xhamster (90%)
  • femdomslavetube.??? > xhamster (60%)
    MEDIUM
  • bdsmsecrets.??? > xhamster (50%)
  • erosexus.??? > xhamster (50%)
  • bestandfree.??? > xhamster (40%)
    BAD
  • xxxtorture.??? > xhamster (30%)
  • coffetube.??? > xhamster (20%)
  • dirtyhomeclips.??? > xhamster (10%)
  • gandalfporn.??? > xhamster (10%)
  • goldpornfilms.??? > xhamster (10%)
  • paintube.??? > xhamster (10%)

    The percentage is the simply based on the number of "femdom" and "caning" files that successfully downloaded using the secure Firefox browser from these aggregate sites, all of which pointed to Xhamster in this particular tests (other test for other original servers were run, but this one test report is indicative of the results from the other tests).

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