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Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 1:45:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		In a stunning about face, and after years of rubbishing the Palestinian community organisation led movement to boycott sanction and disinvestment movement (BDS), Israel's PM now reckons that the BDS movement is a "strategic threat" to the increasingly isolated apartheid State. The promotion of BDS from a minor irritation to strategic threat can be taken as a measure of the movement's successes, as more and more people around the world join in the popular non-violent movement to force Israel to end its occupation of Palestine, recognise Palestinian rights and abide by international law.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/03/israel-brands-palestinian-boycott-strategic-threat-netanyahu

A list of how the BDS movement has expanded in the last month can be seen here. This impressive list shows why Netanyahoo has good reason to be concerned. Day by day, month by month, BDS is looking more like the global movement that was instrumental in bringing down another apartheid regime - South Africa - in the 1970-90s. Those interested can learn more about the BDS movement here


Is BDS a constructive way for ordinary citizens to express their repugnance about Israel's apartheid system, ethnic cleansing and occupation of Palestine? Will Israel's tacit acknowledgement of BDS's successes add more fuel to the BDS fire, spurring it to more successes? Will Israeli efforts at countering the popularity and global breadth of BDS succeed or fail? Can BDS be an effective non-violent strategy to topple the apartheid system. ethnic cleansing and occupation of Palestine?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 1:58:51 AM   
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In a stunning about face, and after years of rubbishing the Palestinian community organisation led movement to boycott sanction and disinvestment movement (BDS), Israel's PM now reckons that the BDS movement is a "strategic threat" to the increasingly isolated apartheid State. The promotion of BDS from a minor irritation to strategic threat can be taken as a measure of the movement's successes, as more and more people around the world join in the popular non-violent movement to force Israel to end its occupation of Palestine, recognise Palestinian rights and abide by international law.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/03/israel-brands-palestinian-boycott-strategic-threat-netanyahu

A list of how the BDS movement has expanded in the last month can be seen here. This impressive list shows why Netanyahoo has good reason to be concerned. Day by day, month by month, BDS is looking more like the global movement that was instrumental in bringing down another apartheid regime - South Africa - in the 1970-90s. Those interested can learn more about the BDS movement here


Is BDS a constructive way for ordinary citizens to express their repugnance about Israel's apartheid system, ethnic cleansing and occupation of Palestine? Will Israel's tacit acknowledgement of BDS's successes add more fuel to the BDS fire, spurring it to more successes? Will Israeli efforts at countering the popularity and global breadth of BDS succeed or fail? Can BDS be an effective non-violent strategy to topple the apartheid system. ethnic cleansing and occupation of Palestine?

Could we be any more of a cheerleader for the noble...nay...saintly Palestine?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 8:33:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think any pressure from anywhere is a good thing. It is not as if there is no pressure on Hamas and the Palestinian Authority as well. This conflict has been the greatest source, and used by unscrupulous governments to further their ends, of violence in the world for the last thirty years in my opinion.

This movement can be supported without calling one side or the other at fault... there is plenty of that to go around. If it helps great.. I cannot see where it can hurt.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 1:15:15 PM   
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Could we be any more of a cheerleader for the noble...nay...saintly Palestine?


i. Lo, quoth the Creator who is Dominant, let there be a Man who isuth made of Straw.
ii. And, verily, a Man of Straw was indeed created.
iii. And the Children of Israel looked up and rejoiced, for this was a miracle: a giant Man of Straw, made from Nothing at All.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 1:19:39 PM   
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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 3:47:48 PM   
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Could we be any more of a cheerleader for the noble...nay...saintly Palestine?


Thats the way forward, bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening.

So much for you wishing to uphold free speech, just like most republicans you only want free speech if and when you agree with it.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 4:22:04 PM   
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Thats the way forward, bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening.

So much for you wishing to uphold free speech, just like most republicans you only want free speech if and when you agree with it.



Your trying to win these debates with ad hominems alone speaks poorly of your honesty, and your reasoning ability

In other words you are still just a troll

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 4:44:43 PM   
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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 4:49:14 PM   
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Could we be any more of a cheerleader for the noble...nay...saintly Palestine?


Thats the way forward, bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening.

So much for you wishing to uphold free speech, just like most republicans you only want free speech if and when you agree with it.

Did you see it written anywhere by me that tweak should shut up? The answer is no.

Do you have proof that I went to any moderator and asked them to shut this thread down? The answer is, again, no.

It's ironic...you saying that about Republicans and free speech. The only one I see complaining about speech...mine...And bringing up free speech is you.

tweak has the right to say whatever she wants...including cheerleading for the saintly Palestinian nation. And I have the right to disagree with her.

I know it's hard for you to understand, given that you think only some views are entitled to free speech coverage, but free speech means that she can be offensive, so can I.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 4:51:43 PM   
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Could we be any more of a cheerleader for the noble...nay...saintly Palestine?


i. Lo, quoth the Creator who is Dominant, let there be a Man who isuth made of Straw.
ii. And, verily, a Man of Straw was indeed created.
iii. And the Children of Israel looked up and rejoiced, for this was a miracle: a giant Man of Straw, made from Nothing at All.

:-)

You show me the "straw man" is and I'll acknowledge it. My commenting on her cheerleading is true...unless you don't consider tweaks statement a statement of support and encouragement to Palestine?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 5:02:38 PM   
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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/4/2015 5:36:29 PM   
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I say we lock Mahmoud Abbas, Netanyahoo, and the Mom from Baltimore in a room until they work something out.



Hum, Abbas, a self appointed president for life who has no control or say with Hamas. What's the mom from Baltimore going to do?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/5/2015 5:16:12 AM   
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Today French telecommunications giant Orange announced plans to terminate its activities in Israel as soon as legally possible. The UK's Guardian reports:
"The French telecoms giant Orange has indicated that it intends to terminate its relationship with the Israeli company that licenses its brand in the country – and would end the relationship “tomorrow” if it could. The comments – made by the company’s CEO, Stephane Richard – have emerged amid a sharp push back by the Israeli government against growing calls for an international boycott of Israel over its continuing occupation of Palestinian territories.

They were angrily condemned by the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, who called on the French government to “distance itself publicly from the miserable statement and the miserable action of a company that is partially owned by the government of France.” Although Orange only licenses its name to the Israeli company Partner, the threat – if carried through – will be seen as a major success for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement which has been campaigning on the issue in both France and Egypt.

Orange, in which the French government has a quarter stake, has been under pressure in France as well as in Egypt to terminate its relationship with Partner over its supply of services to Israeli settlements regarded as illegal under international law.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/04/orange-says-it-plans-to-terminate-contract-with-brand-partner-in-israel (my emphasis)

The phrase 'being on the right side of history' is rather fashionable at the moment. There seems little doubt as to what being on the right side of history means in the Palestine/Israel conflict, as Orange's action shows, and the growing tsumani of BDS goes from strength to strength.

When will the Israelis realise that they cannot continue to flout international law with impunity, to deny Palestinians their rights, especially their inalienable right to self determination ? Israel may have the upper hand militarily, but as the US discovered in Iraq and the Russians discovered in Afghanistan, winning wars doesn't ensure the one wins the peace that inevitably follows war.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/5/2015 2:54:14 PM   
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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/5/2015 3:30:59 PM   
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It's shocking that commerce isn't booming in Israel or Gaza. You think maybe everybody blowing each other up might be scaring off investors?


Then you have all of the leftists and Islamists in France etc, who are willing to attack (in one way or another) those businesses that are deemed to be "Jew friendly"





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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/5/2015 5:12:30 PM   
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Thats the way forward, bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening.

So much for you wishing to uphold free speech, just like most republicans you only want free speech if and when you agree with it.



Your trying to win these debates with ad hominems alone speaks poorly of your honesty, and your reasoning ability

In other words you are still just a troll


Lmfao......... Are you so desperatetly pathetic that you are copy and pasting your own replies to people on various threads, on trolling and personal attacks of all things.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4813603/mpage_5/key_/tm.htm#



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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/5/2015 7:00:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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Thats the way forward, bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening.

So much for you wishing to uphold free speech, just like most republicans you only want free speech if and when you agree with it.



Your trying to win these debates with ad hominems alone speaks poorly of your honesty, and your reasoning ability

In other words you are still just a troll


Lmfao......... Are you so desperatetly pathetic that you are copy and pasting your own replies to people on various threads, on trolling and personal attacks of all things.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4813603/mpage_5/key_/tm.htm#


Why not serial replies to your serial trolling

More creative than your repeated ad hominems thread after thread

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/5/2015 8:46:47 PM   
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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/5/2015 8:53:44 PM   
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I read that. Israel clearly needs some form of outside pressure to change, otherwise nothing will ever happen from it to make peace with the Palestine.



Ummm...they agreed to peace terms with good ol jimmy. The PLO decided it wanted different terms. Who is the head of the PLO now do you suppose?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/5/2015 11:58:20 PM   
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I read that. Israel clearly needs some form of outside pressure to change, otherwise nothing will ever happen from it to make peace with the Palestine.

Yes. Your comment is spot on.

Externally imposed change in Israel can come from one of these sources:
1. International political pressure, which will require the US to join the effort to pressure Israel to be successful. There's no sign that the US is prepared to do this. The Israeli calculation is that they can more or less do anything they like as long as they retain the US's unconditional support; and/or
2. The probable adverse findings against Israel in International Criminal Court and other international fora and institutions may have the effect of bringing Israel to its senses but I feel this is a long shot. If past form is anything to go by, Israel is likely to reject any adverse findings; and/or
3. BDS. International boycotts of Israel preferably allied with ongoing non-violent resistance inside Occupied Palestine and Gaza.

Of these options, my feeling is that #1 is unlikely, Israel have long ago bought the US Congress. #2 on its own is likely to be ineffective, but allied with option #3 may bring about change. The most likely avenue to deliver success is international boycotts, sanctions and disinvestment - BDS.

This offers ordinary people across the globe the chance to do something effective to shift Israel, as well as being non-violent. The Israeli view that the BDS movement is a "strategic threat" underlines the potential effectiveness of this strategy. More info about BDS can be found here. I urge anyone with a commitment to human rights and justice to consider this option.

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