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RE: Taking it up the ass - 6/24/2015 2:28:06 PM   
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@kdsub: "a little pain in this is desirable I think you will find." Pain inflicted by my master is sweeter than honey.


Muiltidimensional stimulation which includes pain elsewhere works best for my subject and me. The women I enjoyed who desires anal while being bound are also focused on their bindings, their helplessness, the recent strips on their cheeks and the wax they wear while suddenly realizing they are being taken anally over the stings of pain administered with the palm of one hand and the pull on their hair with my other hand. I think if they did feel pain they will welcome it as a package of sensations propelling them into sub space.

But it won't ever be a case of just putting it to them. Perhaps a skilled partner would be better. Perhaps not, it is your call.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 6/24/2015 9:26:03 PM   
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Thank you for your friendly comments, I am willing to experiment.

Unlike what teenage boys do three times a day pain can be sustained over a long period of time and can be administered in quite different amounts. The problem is that it does hurt.
I think the key is to train your submissive to experience whatever you give them the way it is intended, not how it actually feels.
I was recently promoted to nipple clamps. Actually my master made fun of me showing me videos where guys where grinning smugly - no wonder, they got those pegs attached in the close vicinity but not where the real action is. In my case I wasn't spared. Said my master: Shall we take them off now? 3 ... 2 ... 1 Damn! Sonofabitch! Boy that hurts! But I was still able to come up with a smile.

The other thing felt quite differently. When I injured my foot recently I didn't say "Hey, great, more pain!", if you now what I mean.

Being restrained, since you mention it, Arturas, means for me: having no veto but not having to own up to knee jerk reactions either. It's kind of an unwritten rule that my master gives me the tour of what I won't be able to defend myself against. That is actually my favorite part. "Feeling like a slave yet?" - "Sir yes Sir!" - If you knew how proud I am you would know that I would never say that just for kicks. When I have difficulties pronouncing it is time to give me a break though. So much for being busy :-)

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/15/2015 9:54:24 PM   
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I Love anal play and when I'm at home playing with myself its painless and quite exciting however at home I'm fully relaxed and kneeling at a comfortable position on all fours. when it comes to anal with a partner it hurt like hell, until I learned how to fully relax and take deep breaths. Have your play partner pause while attempting penetration and let it stay inside for a bit because its the in and out motion that really hurts. You also need to train your bumhole on your own with toys steel works the best but a vibrating plug can help you relax there pretty cheap.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/16/2015 1:19:34 AM   
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Thanks, caramelbby, that was very helpful.
So there is some kind of pain involved after all whether you want it or not.
That was just my guess. Master doesn't like me to feel pain he hasn't inflicted on purpose :-)


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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/16/2015 2:34:56 AM   
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I was out of town when this thread was started, and I'm just catching up on past threads. I actually wrote a book all about anal, so I'll have a few comments.

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla
Numbing agents back there strike me as a bad idea. Pain's supposed to alert you that something is wrong and a numbing agent will cover up those indicators.


THIS! SO MUCH THIS! ALL OF THIS!

Seriously, you DO NOT want pain in your asshole. Not because of the pain or how it hurts (although I a a huge fan of avoiding pain), but because things going wrong in that area of your body can go very very wrong.


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ORIGINAL: WellShinedBoots
What this means for anal - go slow (let it stretch) and don't worry if you can't take it all the first few times. It will get easier and feel better with practice. Some people use various sized butt plugs to help stretch the muscle leading up to anal sex.


Yes. Lots of foreplay will relax this area as well. Like tense shoulders, some massage and play around the anus can help you loosen up quite a bit.

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Also, the anus doesn't do anything special when you get turned on. It doesn't lube up like a vagina usually would. Getting in the mood will help prepare you mentally, and may help you better enjoy the sensations, but it won't do anything for the ass itself. Use lube (too much is almost enough, add more throughout as needed).


Too much lube is not enough! LOL! More lube. If you can get lube up inside (coconut oil chilled in fun shapes can be fun to push up in there, and will provide much lube-y fun), that's a wonderful thing as well, because a lack of lube can not only cause pain, but also micro-tears in the super-thin skin of the anus, allowing bacteria and other non-goodies to pass through the skin barrier.

Bad idea.

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As for condoms - many are made with ribs and such. These are probably not good for beginning ass play. Find some smooth ones.


Mostly, though, use lube. More lube. LOTS OF LUBE!


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This is just a suggestion. Would it be possible for you to talk to your friend about subjects such as rimming, manual stimulation, or prostate play? (You're going to like that last one. Trust me.) If he doesn't know about these types of foreplay, that's ok. They aren't exactly rocket science to learn. If he's just not willing to engage in such things with you, maybe it's time to evaluate if your friend is the type of sexual partner that is well suited for you.

I do want to wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.



All of this. Every bit of it. Especially the part I bolded.


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But when you both feel the time is right… have him lay on his back on the bed. You straddle him and guide his cock to your anus. You have full control here… take as much as you feel comfortable with and as often… but do try to take a little more each time until he fills you as you both desire.


This is a VERY good suggestion.

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by the way a little pain in this is desirable I think you will find.


This is not. Masochist or not. Pain just shouldn't happen in the anus... Too much can go horribly wrong back there.

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You are warmed up on the first… try then getting on all fours and have him enter you from behind… This is the best submissive position that many think of when performing anal.


I also believe that it is a mistake to equate any act or position as submissive. The mindset may be, but I can take it doggie-style up the ass with a hand in my hair, and be nowhere near submissive. Especially when I am ordering him to fuck me like a real man, or, so help me God, I will go find one to fuck me right, and him as well...

Just saying.

It's a mindset thing.

If you feel submissive in doggie, by all means, do. Just don't think it is submissive just because of the position and anal play.

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Finally when he is working up to a climax a good deep position is for you to lie on your back at the edge of the bed. Your partner will stand at the edge and you put your legs on his shoulders… This way he can thrust deep into you and you can also masturbate so you both can reach climax together.


Missionary-type positions can also feel the most intimate, because they allow for eye-contact and depth of penetration. Some men are uncomfortable with them.

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Ps… it is even better if you climax before he does… believe me when you do your anus will contract with each spasm of semen…a great feeling through his cock as he is deep within you… Just feeling your climax spasms and seeing semen shooting on your chest will will have him filling you as well.


Agreed.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Muiltidimensional stimulation which includes pain elsewhere works best for my subject and me. The women I enjoyed who desires anal while being bound are also focused on their bindings, their helplessness, the recent strips on their cheeks and the wax they wear while suddenly realizing they are being taken anally over the stings of pain administered with the palm of one hand and the pull on their hair with my other hand. I think if they did feel pain they will welcome it as a package of sensations propelling them into sub space.

But it won't ever be a case of just putting it to them. Perhaps a skilled partner would be better. Perhaps not, it is your call.


Yes. Get your pain intentionally in other, safe ways. Perfectly put.

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ORIGINAL: caramelbby

I Love anal play and when I'm at home playing with myself its painless and quite exciting however at home I'm fully relaxed and kneeling at a comfortable position on all fours. when it comes to anal with a partner it hurt like hell, until I learned how to fully relax and take deep breaths. Have your play partner pause while attempting penetration and let it stay inside for a bit because its the in and out motion that really hurts. You also need to train your bumhole on your own with toys steel works the best but a vibrating plug can help you relax there pretty cheap.


Excellent suggestions!


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ORIGINAL: daniel1973

Thanks, caramelbby, that was very helpful.
So there is some kind of pain involved after all whether you want it or not.
That was just my guess. Master doesn't like me to feel pain he hasn't inflicted on purpose :-)


No. There is NOT always pain. If there is pain, you have not relaxed enough. Period. AND, you are risking tearing very sensitive skin.

Take the time to learn about anal. It is an amazing, wonderful pleasure that can be done very very wrong. When it is done right, it is sexy, safe, and pain-free.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/16/2015 4:06:06 AM   
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No. There is NOT always pain. If there is pain, you have not relaxed enough. Period.


"Relax! Relax!!" - "I'm trying to relax!!! Can you stop yelling at me please?"

But it's always the subbie's fault for some purpose or other, isn't it.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/16/2015 7:44:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

No. There is NOT always pain. If there is pain, you have not relaxed enough. Period.


"Relax! Relax!!" - "I'm trying to relax!!! Can you stop yelling at me please?"

But it's always the subbie's fault for some purpose or other, isn't it.



In all fun, yes, of course. LOL!

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In reality, no. It's not. You have not relaxed enough, your partner has not relaxed you. As the dominant in my relationship, I would be very unhappy to know I caused my Pet pain during anal, because I know better. It means I was:

1. Rushing.
2. Rough.
3. Not lubed enough.
3. Not paying attention to my bottom.

The last is the most important and least forgivable to me. I never want to hurt my property through inattention.

Then again, your fault if you stay in a relationship with someone who insists on doing anal with you without working with you and training you to relax enough.


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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/16/2015 10:32:14 AM   
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And then again, some people like it rough, not a lot of lube, hair pulled while doing it and they like some pain.

So as always, different strokes.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/16/2015 2:58:55 PM   
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And then again, some people like it rough, not a lot of lube, hair pulled while doing it and they like some pain.

So as always, different strokes.


I'm not talking about what people like. You can like it all you want. No skin off my back.

I'm saying it's dangerous. Unsafe. Scary BAD risks. It's NOT a good idea, for so many reasons I can't even count them all.

You make your choices. I don't knock them. Just make your choices fully aware.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/16/2015 6:21:20 PM   
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Then again, your fault if you stay in a relationship [...]


I don't. Actually the thing my master likes most about me is that I'm a big boy and I can be trusted to take care of myself.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/16/2015 6:28:23 PM   
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Dammit, I'm connected by phone, someone literally stole my fiber optics connection. Gets them less than the countervalue of a pack of cigarettes, costs me a month's salary to put it back again.




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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/17/2015 4:31:44 AM   
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Then again, your fault if you stay in a relationship [...]


I don't. Actually the thing my master likes most about me is that I'm a big boy and I can be trusted to take care of myself.



I don't really follow how that is a reply to my point.

Either you do stay in a relationship or your don't. It's still all on you. Personal responsibility was my message there. Not whether your master trusts you in big boy panties.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/17/2015 8:15:58 AM   
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Sucking somebody off doesn't necessarily mean they are going to give you a favor in return. Most males, unless they are multi-orgasmic (or actually give a shit about the partner) are going to cum and be done. (Every female will tell you this.)

Some folks are just selfish lovers. That's not even necessarily a D/s thing, It's a douche bag thing.



Lots of men are done, at least for a while, after they come. It's a physiological reality that is genetically encoded.

That said... Lots of men make sure their partner is satisfied before they come themselves. Suggesting that "most men" don't give a shit about their partners sounds a bit harsh, I have to say. I don't think it is the truth at all.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/17/2015 10:24:08 AM   
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Sucking somebody off doesn't necessarily mean they are going to give you a favor in return. Most males, unless they are multi-orgasmic (or actually give a shit about the partner) are going to cum and be done. (Every female will tell you this.)

Some folks are just selfish lovers. That's not even necessarily a D/s thing, It's a douche bag thing.



Lots of men are done, at least for a while, after they come. It's a physiological reality that is genetically encoded.

That said... Lots of men make sure their partner is satisfied before they come themselves. Suggesting that "most men" don't give a shit about their partners sounds a bit harsh, I have to say. I don't think it is the truth at all.

Which part wasn't clear? If I had said (and meant) "most males" without a qualifying condition, I would have said so. You did quote me, so the entire sentence is up there.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/17/2015 11:12:53 AM   
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Sucking somebody off doesn't necessarily mean they are going to give you a favor in return. Most males, unless they are multi-orgasmic (or actually give a shit about the partner) are going to cum and be done. (Every female will tell you this.)

Some folks are just selfish lovers. That's not even necessarily a D/s thing, It's a douche bag thing.



Lots of men are done, at least for a while, after they come. It's a physiological reality that is genetically encoded.

That said... Lots of men make sure their partner is satisfied before they come themselves. Suggesting that "most men" don't give a shit about their partners sounds a bit harsh, I have to say. I don't think it is the truth at all.


I'd agree with this. I think there are a few things at play here:

Firstly, some people want to be good at what they do, no matter what it is. Some people want to learn and get better, perhaps see it as a challenge.

Secondly, there is such a thing as ego.

Thirdly, there is such a thing as power. Some people don't want to just turn up and when they see a pair of tits and a fanny they cum at the drop of a hat. That would be being completely out of control.

Many men take the time to learn and improve.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/17/2015 5:08:39 PM   
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Lots of men are done, at least for a while, after they come. It's a physiological reality that is genetically encoded.


Post coitum omne animal triste est sive gallus et mulier.

Not so long ago I would have heartily agreed to that. When I was finally allowed to come the scene was over, period.
Actually it was a scary thought, to be made to finish and then be dealt with.

But somehow my master has managed to train me to be able to have a climax (with all its glory) and not drop out of the mood.
Sure, I need a moment to catch my breath afterwards, but the phenomenon that it suddenly does not seem worth the bother has gone.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/19/2015 8:49:07 AM   
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Coming back with some new experiences!

I started by inserting a finger. I suddenly felt myself tighten around it and I wasn't actually aware of the fact that I was doing it.
Playing with my penis helped a lot. By the end of it I had a cigarette tip (gentleman's version, of course!) completely stuck up my anus.
Putting it in and later retrieving it did prove to be a little bit painful, nothing that I can't take in my stride and certainly not something that alerts me of impending danger to my body.
While I was lingering there it didn't hurt at all.
At one point I was curious what would happen if I'd tighten those muscles - you can take my word for it that I won't repeat the experiment!
Wow, I'm forced to relax, or else! Very nice.

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/19/2015 9:20:10 AM   
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Goodonya for experimenting!

Keep it up. I bet you'll find more pleasure than you could have ever have imagined.

I also suggest something like this:

http://www.aneros.com/prostate-massagers/progasm_jr/

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/19/2015 9:43:27 AM   
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Thanks for the good wishes. That thing seems kind of daunting, if you ask me. But then again, I have something to look forward to!

(Master gives me his evil grin.)

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RE: Taking it up the ass - 7/19/2015 11:08:01 AM   
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The toy is smaller than pretty much all of the poops you've ever taken, but shaped for pleasure.

*smiles*


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