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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 8:29:52 PM   
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There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks.

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Same here, I have had black people tell me the same.
MLK also agreed. He said that the racism in the north was more deep rooted and insidious than in the south. He ascribe to (maybe even coined) the saying that in the south they hated the race but liked individuals, while in the north they loved the race but despised the individuals. This was because there was far more contact between the races in the south.


I`m sure this gives comfort to bigots but normal folks aren't fooled or distracted by today`s bigots and damage they do.

I see that nobody is really very distracted by you. Tell me about the damage you're planning?

I have him on hide because this is the sort of garbage he has always posted.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 8:31:53 PM   
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Just pointing out the evil done by rightwingers ,is all the damage needed.

The bundy ranch terrorists....

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Their victims, two Las Vegas police officers and fathers.

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See how it works?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 8:43:55 PM   
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There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks.

K.


Same here, I have had black people tell me the same.
MLK also agreed. He said that the racism in the north was more deep rooted and insidious than in the south. He ascribe to (maybe even coined) the saying that in the south they hated the race but liked individuals, while in the north they loved the race but despised the individuals. This was because there was far more contact between the races in the south.


I`m sure this gives comfort to bigots but normal folks aren't fooled or distracted by today`s bigots and damage they do.

I see that nobody is really very distracted by you. Tell me about the damage you're planning?

I have him on hide because this is the sort of garbage he has always posted.

Seems reasonable. Classic example of hate an transference. It's part of the left kool aide. I wonder what the comments will be from our other leftist friends here.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 8:50:41 PM   
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Intolerance of intolerance is not hate.

It`s normal

Hating hate, is not intolerance.

It`s natural and right.

If haters squeal and stomp off, it`s just garbage taking itself out.....

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 8:52:41 PM   
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Hating hate, is not intolerance.

That's very true. Hating hate is hate.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 8:58:56 PM   
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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 9:02:11 PM   
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Hating hate, is not intolerance.

That's very true. Hating hate is hate.

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Dirp....

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 9:08:07 PM   
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Just pointing out the evil done by rightwingers ,is all the damage needed.

The bundy ranch terrorists....

[Mod removed images that were too large for the forum.]

Their victims, two Las Vegas police officers and fathers.

[Mod removed images that were too large for the forum.]

See how it works?

Let's pull out some hate from the left wing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132295/Cincinnati-man-kills-police-officer-working-overtime-commits-suicide-cop-leaving-post-Facebook-frantically-calling-911-twice.html

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 9:19:54 PM   
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There is a pattern here,from the leadership down to fox to righties....the memo is out.

I understand though,who in their right mind would want to admit to the awful truth....

Rebumblicans are still trying to deny disaster Iraq and the soldiers who died there. So it`s nothing new and SOP.

"Conservatives Blaming Everyone But The Right-Wing Terrorist For SC Shooting."

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/18/conservatives-blaming-everyone-but-the-right-wing-terrorist-for-sc-church-shooting-screenshots/

For those poor souls still in denial, I`ll get as many examples as you want. Not a problem.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 9:20:21 PM   
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Just pointing out the evil done by rightwingers ,is all the damage needed.

The bundy ranch terrorists....

[Mod removed images that were too large for the forum.]

Their victims, two Las Vegas police officers and fathers.

[Mod removed images that were too large for the forum.]

See how it works?

Let's pull out some hate from the left wing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132295/Cincinnati-man-kills-police-officer-working-overtime-commits-suicide-cop-leaving-post-Facebook-frantically-calling-911-twice.html

The murder of the two Los Vegas cops was by two people the Bundy crowd refused to associate with.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 9:53:56 PM   
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I think it's easy to overlook that some people are just fucked in the head, regardless of party lines.

Blame the guns.
Blame the parents.
Blame the video games, the violence on tv, music videos, rap music, country music, drugs, FOX news, the Daily Show.
Blame race, the Confederate Flag.
Blame society in general.

The human mind tries to make sense of the senseless horrors in our world. But there is none.

Just twisted evil fucks, the most overrepresented minority in the world.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 9:57:24 PM   
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I think it's easy to overlook that some people are just fucked in the head, regardless of party lines.

Blame the guns.
Blame the parents.
Blame the video games, the violence on tv, music videos, rap music, country music, drugs, FOX news, the Daily Show.
Blame race, the Confederate Flag.
Blame society in general.

The human mind tries to make sense of the senseless horrors in our world. But there is none.

Just twisted evil fucks, the most overrepresented minority in the world.

Yep
Blame anyone and anything but the evil person who commits the act.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/21/2015 10:05:13 PM   
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But of course.....

That`s the ticket....


I knew it was true the minute elex jones started denying it.


We all saw the bundy terrorists point weapons at LEOs there....


We`re pretty much past hoping the right wing loons STFU or take responsibility for their violent rhetoric and the it`s inevitable results.


When the lunatic fringe says they`ll start/fight "a civil war" over gun regs or parrots the "Tree of Liberty" saying or incites people to "target" politicians.....just who do they think are going to get shot?

It`ll be our LEOs and police and our soldiers and innocent people.....







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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 3:27:44 AM   
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Arming more people just means more shootings.


"It seemed like it was me, the gunman, and God," said Jeanne Assam, describing her feelings as she confronted a man who charged into her Colorado Springs church Sunday firing a weapon.

Assam, a church security guard with law enforcement experience, fired her own weapon at the invader and stopped his attack, police say.

Police on Monday identified the gunman as Matthew Murray and said he was also responsible for an attack earlier Sunday at a missionary center some 80 miles away.



http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html?eref=onion


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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 3:32:12 AM   
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Let's pull out some hate from the left wing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132295/Cincinnati-man-kills-police-officer-working-overtime-commits-suicide-cop-leaving-post-Facebook-frantically-calling-911-twice.html

On what basis are you calling this incident a case of "hate from the left wing"?

There is absolutely nothing in the linked article referring to any kind of political motive for this incident. The article does mention a history of minor crime. The dead person's family descibe him as "troubled". But there is absolutely nothing, not a single word about any kind of political motivation - left wing right wing or centre. Nada, zilch, rien, nothing.

If there are some other relevant facts to support your claim, please post them so we will know what you are talking about. As things stand, you appear to have pulled this case of mid air to smear the left as though it had a part in the incident when there is absolutely nothing in your link to justify such an accusation, or even indicate any linkage between the dead person and the left, the right or any kind of politics.

Unless there is other unpublished information, that makes your claim an utterly false and malicious smear. It is very bad fiction. As such, it says more about you than anyone or anything else.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 3:35:08 AM   
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Just pointing out the evil done by rightwingers ,is all the damage needed.

The bundy ranch terrorists....

[Mod removed images that were too large for the forum.]

Their victims, two Las Vegas police officers and fathers.

[Mod removed images that were too large for the forum.]

See how it works?

Let's pull out some hate from the left wing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132295/Cincinnati-man-kills-police-officer-working-overtime-commits-suicide-cop-leaving-post-Facebook-frantically-calling-911-twice.html

Im not sure if you are claiming hate from the left wing because the shooter was black or the fact that the cop was killed.
Would be nice to know why you claim its Left wing hate???

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 3:48:02 AM   
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Let's pull out some hate from the left wing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132295/Cincinnati-man-kills-police-officer-working-overtime-commits-suicide-cop-leaving-post-Facebook-frantically-calling-911-twice.html

On what basis are you calling this incident a case of "hate from the left wing"?

There is absolutely nothing in the linked article referring to any kind of political motive for this incident. The article does mention a history of minor crime. The dead person's family descibe him as "troubled". But there is absolutely nothing, not a single word about any kind of political motivation - left wing right wing or centre. Nada, zilch, rien, nothing.

If there are some other relevant facts to support your claim, please post them so we will know what you are talking about. As things stand, you appear to have pulled this case of mid air to smear the left as though it had a part in the incident when there is absolutely nothing in your link to justify such an accusation, or even indicate any linkage between the dead person and the left, the right or any kind of politics.

Unless there is other unpublished information, that makes your claim a malicious fictitious smear. As such, it says more about you than anyone or anything else.

PMTA (perverts minds think alike)

Actually in the news this morning is that people like Cruz and other republicans are returning funding to the leader of the organization that Roof claimed helped his hate....the Council of Conservative Citizens. The CoCC’s website appeared to have been taken offline on Saturday, however cached versions of the group’s web pages contained a series of links to dubious articles about what it characterised as black crimes against white people.

“There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on white murders,” the manifesto apparently written by Roof says about the website. “I was in disbelief. At this moment I realised that something was very wrong.”


This is from rawstory, so I doubt it will be read without it being criticized as a lying lefty rag, with nothing to "debunk anything"..but here goes.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/leader-of-far-right-group-cited-in-dylann-roof-manifesto-donated-to-top-republicans-including-cruz-paul-and-santorum/

The leader of a rightwing group that Dylann Roof allegedly credits with helping to radicalise him against black people before the Charleston church massacre has donated tens of thousands of dollars to Republicans such as presidential candidates Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Rick Santorum.

Earl Holt has given $65,000 to Republican campaign funds in recent years while inflammatory remarks – including that black people were “the laziest, stupidest and most criminally-inclined race in the history of the world” – were posted online in his name.

After being approached by the Guardian on Sunday, Cruz’s presidential campaign said it would be returning all money the senator had received from Holt.

Holt, 62, is the president of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC), a Missouri-based activist organisation praised as enlightening by the author of a manifesto-style text that was posted on a website registered in Roof’s name along with photographs of the gunman. The FBI said on Saturday it was investigating the website.

The manifesto’s author, who has been widely reported but not verified as Roof, recounted learning about “brutal black on white murders” from the CofCC website .

“At this moment I realised that something was very wrong,” the manifesto said.

Roof, 21, is charged with the murders of nine black people at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, last Wednesday. He is accused of joining a bible study group before opening fire and fleeing.

In a statement published on Sunday , Holt said it was “not surprising” that Roof was apparently informed by the group’s website as it was unusual in reporting race relations “accurately and honestly”. However, he added: “The CofCC is hardly responsible for the actions of this deranged individual merely because he gleaned accurate information from our website.”

Reached by telephone at home on Sunday evening by the Guardian, Holt said he was busy and hung up.

Holt has since 2012 contributed $8,500 to Cruz, the Texas senator running for the Republican presidential nomination, and his Jobs, Growth and Freedom Fund political action committee, according to Federal Election Commission (FEC) filings. On some filings Holt’s occupation was listed as “slumlord”.

He has also given $1,750 to RandPAC , the political action committee of Paul, the Kentucky senator and presidential contender, and he gave $2,000 to the 2012 presidential campaign of Mitt Romney.

A further $1,500 was donated by Holt to Santorum, the former Pennsylvania senator and 2012 Republican presidential primary runner-up, who is running for president again in the 2016 race and attended Sunday’s memorial service at Emanuel AME Church.

In response to questions from the Guardian, Rick Tyler, a spokesman for Cruz, said in an email: “Upon review, we discovered that Mr Holt did make a contribution. We will be immediately refunding the donation.”

Tyler said Cruz’s own campaign and leadership PAC would “be making a full refund”.

Matthew Beynon, a spokesman for Santorum, said in an email: “Senator Santorum does not condone or respect racist or hateful comments of any kind. Period. The views the Senator campaigns on are his own and he is focused on uniting America, not dividing her.”

A spokesman for Paul’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

A series of racist statements have been posted over the past four years to the website of The Blaze, a conservative news outlet, by a user going by Holt’s full name, Earl P Holt III. The user referred to Longview, Texas – which is where Holt lives – as his hometown. A commenter using the same screen name on various other news websites has identified himself as a member of the CofCC .

Jared Taylor, a close associate of Holt and former director of the CofCC, who said Holt had asked him to handle media inquiries relating to the massacre, said in an interview: “If there’s a statement that is ‘Earl P Holt III’, he probably made it.”

Several of the comments referred to black people as “Africanus Criminalis”, a faux-Latin label also used in an online message for which Holt reportedly apologised in 2004 . Holt, then a radio host in Missouri, referred to black people as “niggers” five times in the message.

In June 2012 the poster “Earl P Holt III” stated that he had bought and become proficient in “a great many weapons” to ensure that being white did not “get me murdered” by non-white people. Two months earlier the same user responded to an article about the New Black Panther Party with a request for advice on buying ammunition “Does anyone know where I can get 180 grain .308 NATO rounds with a polymer tip?,” he wrote.

Under a February 2014 article, the same user warned other readers that black activists would “kill you, rape your entire family, and burn your house to the ground” . According to an account of a report by a witness, Roof complained to his victims in Charleston last week: “You rape our women.”

One comment said of black people: “One can extricate them from the jungle, but one CANNOT purge the jungle from THEM” , while another said: “I do wish they’d keep their violence and savagery within their own communities” .

The commenter using Holt’s name also complained under a story about white privilege about his taxes being distributed “to every baby-daddy, baby-momma, welfare cheat, drug-dealer, Oprah-watcher, felon, alcoholic, drug-addict and deadbeat in America.”

Holt has also distributed tens of thousands in campaign contributions among prominent Republicans in congress, such as Representative Steve King of Iowa ($2,000), Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas ($1,500) and Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona ($1,000). He also gave $3,200 to the former Minnesota congresswoman and presidential candidate Michele Bachmann.


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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 4:09:16 AM   
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Arming more people just means more shootings.


In support of your notion:


June 21, 2015
‘Depraved': Top Democrat strategist GLAD church victims didn’t have guns, too.

Democrat strategist Bob Shrum is just relieved that the slaughtered churchgoers at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church couldn’t defend themselves.

Shrum, who worked on the presidential campaigns of Al Gore and John Kerry, appeared on MSNBC’s “The Ed Show” Friday and said the tragedy in Charleston, S.C., would have been worse if the congregation was armed.


“I cannot imagine the horror that could’ve occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started and you had a full-scale gunfight,” he told host Ed Schultz. “You might not even have three survivors.”

Imagine what could have happened.

You might have one dead gunman rather than nine dead innocent people.

That's a horror to democrats and Politesub53 ?



http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/06/21/depraved-top-democrat-strategist-glad-church-victims-didnt-have-guns-too-216359



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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 4:23:08 AM   
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How would you recognise a "leftist"?

You have no clue what the term means.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 5:27:13 AM   
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“I cannot imagine the horror that could’ve occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started and you had a full-scale gunfight,” he told host Ed Schultz. “You might not even have three survivors.”

Imagine what could have happened.

You might have one dead gunman rather than nine dead innocent people.


Probably about the same, I'd think. Who sits in a church, worshipping, with their hand on a gun, watching and waiting for someone else to pull out his own gun and begin shooting?



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