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ORIGINAL: Kirata


There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks.

K.

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It's not, though, really is it. It's a fairly rational argument that being armed with a gun may deter people with criminal intent. Nothing absurd about that; fairly logical in fact.

Now, it doesn't apply to England. Different country, different way of thinking, small, crowded island etc. But, it could just be a decent argument for the United States. A big, unwieldy country where in some places there aren't many people around to help you or enforce the law, and so a gun could be your sole means of protection in the face of a lunatic wandering 'round.

For some reason the United States is a country that seems to spawn people (more people per head) who want to go out and cause a lot of damage - more than other countries I can think of in what is generally deemed to be the developed world - so perhaps it's a good thing they have guns because take the guns away and the weapon of choice could be a bomb, which would be far more destructive.

Either way, it's not really a good argument to say that the actions of a few lunatics means the sensible vast majority should do without guns.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

What is absurd about it is the notion people going to church would wish to arm themselves, just incase. That would make the whole "Faith in the Lord" bit somewhat redundant. I have often agreed with the argument having guns in the house, especially where there are no police on hand. Arming more people just means more shootings.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

What is absurd about it is the notion people going to church would wish to arm themselves, just incase. That would make the whole "Faith in the Lord" bit somewhat redundant. I have often agreed with the argument having guns in the house, especially where there are no police on hand. Arming more people just means more shootings.

By your absurd logic, church goers  should never have to swat a fly, scratch an itch, use the restroom, eat, or do anything else to care for themselves

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This is a terrible tragedy as we all know and there is outrage in both the white and black communities and deservedly so... But what disturbs me is the silence in the black community and lack of outrage when the tragedy is black on black. To me it is subtle racism of the worse kind. It is like saying" When a white man or policeman kills a black we are outraged and will protest and riot but when it is black killing blacks we will ignore it...anyway it is not our fault".

In the last few days there were two incidents that should be an outrage... yet besides a paragraph on yahoo and a story on the nightly news there will be no outrage or demand for change.

In one incident in Detroit there was a child's birthday party when gunmen with semi-automatic weapons shot 10 people killing at least one.

In Philadelphia a children's block party was interrupted by gunmen with shotguns wounding 10... one a year and a half old child.

Where is the damn outrage!

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

As the gun crowd will say, and to some extent rightly so, guns are just a tool of choice not the reason for killing. But it would have been harder to stab 20 and get away than the few seconds it took to shoot and run.

But I was trying to leave guns out of it...at least in the point i was trying to make anyway.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

They shoot well enough to kill one anyway... but that is just half an afternoons work in St. Louis.

Butch

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Bama lets just forget the method of maiming for now...at least i am...I am pissed that some blacks have the audacity to blame white America for their problems because of racism while they murder their children without a peep of protest. I worry about the coming generation of many African American children growing up in a violent society without personal responsibility.

And anyone who points this out and tries to find the reasons for this violence and lack of responsibility is called racist.

Butch

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Arming more people just means more shootings.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks.

K.

Same here, I have had black people tell me the same.
MLK also agreed. He said that the racism in the north was more deep rooted and insidious than in the south. He ascribe to (maybe even coined) the saying that in the south they hated the race but liked individuals, while in the north they loved the race but despised the individuals. This was because there was far more contact between the races in the south.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


There's a lot of truth in the comments at that WeazelZippers link. I've lived in three Northern states, and at least in my experience blacks and whites seem to get along better in the South. Uplifting post. Thanks.

K.

Same here, I have had black people tell me the same.
MLK also agreed. He said that the racism in the north was more deep rooted and insidious than in the south. He ascribe to (maybe even coined) the saying that in the south they hated the race but liked individuals, while in the north they loved the race but despised the individuals. This was because there was far more contact between the races in the south.

I`m sure this gives comfort to bigots but normal folks aren't fooled or distracted by today`s bigots and damage they do.