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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 8:50:05 PM   
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We've just had a shooting here tonight at a local park in a black neighborhood. No word yet on the race(s) of the suspects, but they were caught by police almost immediately. Two teenagers shot, but not life-threatening injuries.

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/police-gunmen-open-fire-orlando-park-two-juveniles/nmjHT/

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/22/2015 9:23:39 PM   
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We've just had a shooting here tonight at a local park in a black neighborhood. No word yet on the race(s) of the suspects, but they were caught by police almost immediately. Two teenagers shot, but not life-threatening injuries.

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/police-gunmen-open-fire-orlando-park-two-juveniles/nmjHT/

At least no one died.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 2:42:17 AM   
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We've just had a shooting here tonight at a local park in a black neighborhood. No word yet on the race(s) of the suspects, but they were caught by police almost immediately. Two teenagers shot, but not life-threatening injuries.

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/police-gunmen-open-fire-orlando-park-two-juveniles/nmjHT/

At least no one died.


I agree, that was lucky no one was killed. In this state if they're charged as adults, it's a mandatory 25 to life sentence.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:27:12 AM   
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Arming more people just means more shootings.


In support of your notion:


June 21, 2015
‘Depraved': Top Democrat strategist GLAD church victims didn’t have guns, too.

Democrat strategist Bob Shrum is just relieved that the slaughtered churchgoers at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church couldn’t defend themselves.

Shrum, who worked on the presidential campaigns of Al Gore and John Kerry, appeared on MSNBC’s “The Ed Show” Friday and said the tragedy in Charleston, S.C., would have been worse if the congregation was armed.


“I cannot imagine the horror that could’ve occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started and you had a full-scale gunfight,” he told host Ed Schultz. “You might not even have three survivors.”

Imagine what could have happened.

You might have one dead gunman rather than nine dead innocent people.

That's a horror to democrats and Politesub53 ?



http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/06/21/depraved-top-democrat-strategist-glad-church-victims-didnt-have-guns-too-216359




http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25/nypd-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings

Go figure.



That's pretty good Polite, 2 links contradicting each other. On the one hand we have law enforcement lacking in their marksmanship capability. In the totally full of shit Mother Jones piece they criticize non law enforcement folks as being less than capable showing mostly examples where trained professionals were successful stopping armed assaults. In one of the examples, a civilian was unsuccessful against a guy with an AK47 who was wearing body armor. Go figure. What are you looking for, a guarantee ? There are literally thousands upon thousands of examples showing armed civilians successfully stopping assaults If ya wana go look some of those up. Civilians, or law enforcement are not going to be successful every single time. I'm still not ready to trade in the Second Amendment.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:30:45 AM   
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We've just had a shooting here tonight at a local park in a black neighborhood. No word yet on the race(s) of the suspects, but they were caught by police almost immediately. Two teenagers shot, but not life-threatening injuries.

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/police-gunmen-open-fire-orlando-park-two-juveniles/nmjHT/

At least no one died.


I agree, that was lucky no one was killed. In this state if they're charged as adults, it's a mandatory 25 to life sentence.

Good.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:41:15 AM   
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If they had not hit anyone but only fired their guns, it's 20 years mandatory. As Chuck Norris said at the end of the commercial they ran when the 10 - 20 - life law was passed, "use a gun and you're done". If more states had this type of law, maybe it would have an effect.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:44:44 AM   
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If they had not hit anyone but only fired their guns, it's 20 years mandatory. As Chuck Norris said at the end of the commercial they ran when the 10 - 20 - life law was passed, "use a gun and you're done". If more states had this type of law, maybe it would have an effect.

If enforced.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:54:03 AM   
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If they had not hit anyone but only fired their guns, it's 20 years mandatory. As Chuck Norris said at the end of the commercial they ran when the 10 - 20 - life law was passed, "use a gun and you're done". If more states had this type of law, maybe it would have an effect.

If enforced.


That's why we passed that law. There were too many instances of idiots getting off with light sentences only to do it all over again. It's mandatory enforcement. It works pretty much the same or similar to the 3 strikes law.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 5:43:29 AM   
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Yes ... thank you for your input, Sanity.

May I just gently suggest to you that, perhaps, not *everything* I say about something that's happening in the USA has the subtext of 'Chortle, Britain is *so* much better than America'?

I mean, not telling you how to think ... just putting that out there, you know, as an abstract theory, a vague possibility, a fairy tale if you like ... you know?



If youre going to preach about Americas problems perhaps you had ought to first make sure that your own affairs are in order

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4817595


Thanks for the backup lucy, you are a doll sometimes

That was me sarcastically pointing out that the USA isnt the only nation on the planet that has certain issues

The exact point I was making with peon above





You keep saying it, maybe you will convince yourself. Thats important...you poor dear.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 6:02:44 AM   
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    quote:

    "This type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."
    — Barack Obama on Thursday, June 18th, 2015 in remarks at the White House


    quote:

    Obama said after the church shootings in Charleston that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."
    The data shows that it clearly happens in other countries, and in at least three of them, there’s evidence that the rate of killings in mass-shooting events occurred at a higher per-capita rate than in the United States between 2000 and 2014. The only partial support for Obama’s claim is that the per-capita gun-incident fatality rate in the United States does rank in the top one-third of the list of 11 countries studied. On balance, we rate the claim Mostly False.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/
    I do believe this is an example of someone using this tragedy for political gain.

      See folks...here it is....

        The attempted mainstreaming of the idea that all these mass killing are a normal part of American life.
        They are not and no one (normal) buys that load of crap.

        And finally, normal Americans expect the President to speak up and illuminate the subject.

        It`s no accident the right wing deny there a gun problem and race problems.......They are perpetrators.

        No wonder they`re feeling the heat.


      Politifact is Right Wing?!? LMMFAO!!!


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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 6:08:15 AM   
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      Yes ... thank you for your input, Sanity.

      May I just gently suggest to you that, perhaps, not *everything* I say about something that's happening in the USA has the subtext of 'Chortle, Britain is *so* much better than America'?

      I mean, not telling you how to think ... just putting that out there, you know, as an abstract theory, a vague possibility, a fairy tale if you like ... you know?



      If youre going to preach about Americas problems perhaps you had ought to first make sure that your own affairs are in order

      http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4817595


      Thanks for the backup lucy, you are a doll sometimes

      That was me sarcastically pointing out that the USA isnt the only nation on the planet that has certain issues

      The exact point I was making with peon above





      Well, that and making the point that who the fuck are we to manipulate some culture to our liking. Well...as leftists are want to do and fail so miserably at. Perhaps Lucy will come back and provide her input on owner0's posts now that she's getting her comments in. Or does she just make sarcastic remarks to conservatives?

      LOL I didnt make a sarcastic remark...I posted his ironic thread url. Nothing more needed to be said.... So again your words have no meaning (outside your limited interpretation) to normal people.
      And why would I provide you with my input on Owners posts? My sarcastic comments are mostly reserved for idiots so it just seems that I am only sarcastic against conservatives, so MY sarcasm=idiots=most of the idiots I run across happen to be conservative.....I know so many decent ones, its a shame to target all conservatives with one brush which is why I dont.
      Im so enjoying the implosions and lies, bullshit and harassment around here lately. Why would I inject fact into threads that have lost all semblance of reality.

      welcome to your forum...enjoy it, I am.



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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 8:22:40 AM   
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      Yes ... thank you for your input, Sanity.

      May I just gently suggest to you that, perhaps, not *everything* I say about something that's happening in the USA has the subtext of 'Chortle, Britain is *so* much better than America'?

      I mean, not telling you how to think ... just putting that out there, you know, as an abstract theory, a vague possibility, a fairy tale if you like ... you know?



      If youre going to preach about Americas problems perhaps you had ought to first make sure that your own affairs are in order

      http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4817595


      Thanks for the backup lucy, you are a doll sometimes

      That was me sarcastically pointing out that the USA isnt the only nation on the planet that has certain issues

      The exact point I was making with peon above





      Well, that and making the point that who the fuck are we to manipulate some culture to our liking. Well...as leftists are want to do and fail so miserably at. Perhaps Lucy will come back and provide her input on owner0's posts now that she's getting her comments in. Or does she just make sarcastic remarks to conservatives?

      LOL I didnt make a sarcastic remark...I posted his ironic thread url. Nothing more needed to be said.... So again your words have no meaning (outside your limited interpretation) to normal people.
      And why would I provide you with my input on Owners posts? My sarcastic comments are mostly reserved for idiots so it just seems that I am only sarcastic against conservatives, so MY sarcasm=idiots=most of the idiots I run across happen to be conservative.....I know so many decent ones, its a shame to target all conservatives with one brush which is why I dont.
      Im so enjoying the implosions and lies, bullshit and harassment around here lately. Why would I inject fact into threads that have lost all semblance of reality.

      welcome to your forum...enjoy it, I am.



      Don't be defensive Lucy, it's what you do. You have to accept yourself for what you are.

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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 12:32:01 PM   
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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 12:37:51 PM   
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      Anyone remember this?

      I would recommend paying attention. I'm trying to be fair. More topic and less personal attacks please.


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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:34:25 PM   
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      Wow! We'll have to figure out how to change that culture. I hear there's guys chopping off British solders heads with meat cleavers.


      Only the one sad death in the UK from terrorism since the July 2005 bombings. Did you have to be such a prick and use the only event you could find, you are disgusting.

      If you ever took your head from your arse you would see most of the Europeans on here have been warning of a rise in far right wing racism for God knows how long. It gets worse across Europe the further east you go.

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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:40:31 PM   
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      How could you miss my warnings on this thread. All of them?



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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:45:50 PM   
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      My bad....... I was commenting on the use of Lee Rigbys death to prove a point as it was unrelated to the thread and therefore uncalled for.

      I apologise.

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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:52:43 PM   
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      I apologize too Politesub. I was just shocked.

      I have tried so hard not to have to moderate. I get the message a number are sending, loud and clear, but that isn't changing anything. I'm taking a beating when I do call someone on something and I am tired.

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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 3:57:15 PM   
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      No need for you to apologise....... I got it wrong, simple as that.

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      RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/23/2015 4:03:33 PM   
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      If they had not hit anyone but only fired their guns, it's 20 years mandatory. As Chuck Norris said at the end of the commercial they ran when the 10 - 20 - life law was passed, "use a gun and you're done". If more states had this type of law, maybe it would have an effect.

      If enforced.


      That's why we passed that law. There were too many instances of idiots getting off with light sentences only to do it all over again. It's mandatory enforcement. It works pretty much the same or similar to the 3 strikes law.

      There was another shotgun attack in Philly. They seem to have used birdshot again. Looks like someone trying to stir up unrest.

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