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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

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"This type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."
— Barack Obama on Thursday, June 18th, 2015 in remarks at the White House

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Obama said after the church shootings in Charleston that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."

The data shows that it clearly happens in other countries, and in at least three of them, there’s evidence that the rate of killings in mass-shooting events occurred at a higher per-capita rate than in the United States between 2000 and 2014. The only partial support for Obama’s claim is that the per-capita gun-incident fatality rate in the United States does rank in the top one-third of the list of 11 countries studied. On balance, we rate the claim Mostly False.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

I do believe this is an example of someone using this tragedy for political gain.

See folks...here it is....

The attempted mainstreaming of the idea that all these mass killing are a normal part of American life.

They are not and no one (normal) buys that load of crap.

And finally, normal Americans expect the President to speak up and illuminate the subject.

It`s no accident the right wing deny there a gun problem and race problems.......They are perpetrators.

No wonder they`re feeling the heat.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

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"This type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."
— Barack Obama on Thursday, June 18th, 2015 in remarks at the White House

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Obama said after the church shootings in Charleston that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."

The data shows that it clearly happens in other countries, and in at least three of them, there’s evidence that the rate of killings in mass-shooting events occurred at a higher per-capita rate than in the United States between 2000 and 2014. The only partial support for Obama’s claim is that the per-capita gun-incident fatality rate in the United States does rank in the top one-third of the list of 11 countries studied. On balance, we rate the claim Mostly False.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

I do believe this is an example of someone using this tragedy for political gain.

See folks...here it is....

The attempted mainstreaming of the idea that all these mass killing are a normal part of American life.

They are not and no one (normal) buys that load of crap.

And finally, normal Americans expect the President to speak up and illuminate the subject.

It`s no accident the right wing deny there a gun problem and race problems.......They are perpetrators.

No wonder they`re feeling the heat.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

What is absurd about it is the notion people going to church would wish to arm themselves, just incase. That would make the whole "Faith in the Lord" bit somewhat redundant. I have often agreed with the argument having guns in the house, especially where there are no police on hand. Arming more people just means more shootings.

By your absurd logic, church goers  should never have to swat a fly, scratch an itch, use the restroom, eat, or do anything else to care for themselves

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Arming more people just means more shootings.

In support of your notion:


June 21, 2015
‘Depraved': Top Democrat strategist GLAD church victims didn’t have guns, too.

Democrat strategist Bob Shrum is just relieved that the slaughtered churchgoers at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church couldn’t defend themselves.

Shrum, who worked on the presidential campaigns of Al Gore and John Kerry, appeared on MSNBC’s “The Ed Show” Friday and said the tragedy in Charleston, S.C., would have been worse if the congregation was armed.


“I cannot imagine the horror that could’ve occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started and you had a full-scale gunfight,” he told host Ed Schultz. “You might not even have three survivors.”

Imagine what could have happened.

You might have one dead gunman rather than nine dead innocent people.

That's a horror to democrats and Politesub53 ?



http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/06/21/depraved-top-democrat-strategist-glad-church-victims-didnt-have-guns-too-216359

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

What is absurd about it is the notion people going to church would wish to arm themselves, just incase. That would make the whole "Faith in the Lord" bit somewhat redundant. I have often agreed with the argument having guns in the house, especially where there are no police on hand. Arming more people just means more shootings.

By your absurd logic, church goers  should never have to swat a fly, scratch an itch, use the restroom, eat, or do anything else to care for themselves

Nope, they should place tanks around the church and all carry AK47s.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

IMHO, it doesn't much matter if such shootings are becoming more common. What *is* becoming more common is the number of headlining atrocities that involve violence between races; between the forces of law and of racial minorities, and involving deaths. This is *not* a good thing, in my view. Things don't look good in the USA, from this side of the pond, that's all I can say.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

IMHO, it doesn't much matter if such shootings are becoming more common. What *is* becoming more common is the number of headlining atrocities that involve violence between races; between the forces of law and of racial minorities, and involving deaths. This is *not* a good thing, in my view. Things don't look good in the USA, from this side of the pond, that's all I can say.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

IMHO, it doesn't much matter if such shootings are becoming more common. What *is* becoming more common is the number of headlining atrocities that involve violence between races; between the forces of law and of racial minorities, and involving deaths. This is *not* a good thing, in my view. Things don't look good in the USA, from this side of the pond, that's all I can say.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

IMHO, it doesn't much matter if such shootings are becoming more common. What *is* becoming more common is the number of headlining atrocities that involve violence between races; between the forces of law and of racial minorities, and involving deaths. This is *not* a good thing, in my view. Things don't look good in the USA, from this side of the pond, that's all I can say.

Thank you for your concern.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

IMHO, it doesn't much matter if such shootings are becoming more common. What *is* becoming more common is the number of headlining atrocities that involve violence between races; between the forces of law and of racial minorities, and involving deaths. This is *not* a good thing, in my view. Things don't look good in the USA, from this side of the pond, that's all I can say.

What do you know

peon has a timber in his eye

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

IMHO, it doesn't much matter if such shootings are becoming more common. What *is* becoming more common is the number of headlining atrocities that involve violence between races; between the forces of law and of racial minorities, and involving deaths. This is *not* a good thing, in my view. Things don't look good in the USA, from this side of the pond, that's all I can say.

Thank you for your concern.

No need to thank me, Hunter - I'm a lefty so, though I'm not at all conscious of it, it no doubt all comes back to my deep hatred, somehow.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

IMHO, it doesn't much matter if such shootings are becoming more common. What *is* becoming more common is the number of headlining atrocities that involve violence between races; between the forces of law and of racial minorities, and involving deaths. This is *not* a good thing, in my view. Things don't look good in the USA, from this side of the pond, that's all I can say.

What do you know

peon has a timber in his eye

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I call them like I see them Peon. I'll have to look but I don't think I've called you a hater. You won't make original comments and love to criticise people who do. You're sarcastic. I've mentioned those things when I see them.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I call them like I see them Peon. I'll have to look but I don't think I've called you a hater. You won't make original comments and love to criticise people who do. You're sarcastic. I've mentioned those things when I see them.

I make original comments, which you invariably brush away. Though, in fairness, one or two of the comments I've made about the Charleston atrocity recently, I've later found to have been made by various American luminaries - including your President himself, on one matter at least.

As for sarcasm: I give that out when I get it, Hunter. You give it, so you get it. It's as simple as that.

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And even when concealed handgun permit holders don’t deter the killers, the permit holders stop them. Just a couple of weeks ago, a mass public shooting at a liquor store in Conyers, Ga., was stopped by a concealed handgun permit holder. A couple of people had already been killed by the time the permit holder arrived, but according to Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett:

"I believe that if Mr. Scott did not return fire at the suspect, then more of those customers would have [been] hit by a gun. It didn’t appear that he cared who he shot or where he was shooting until someone was shooting back at him. So, in my opinion, he saved other lives in that store."

- Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett

Yet, even though there was a video of this heroic action, the story got no national news coverage. Case after caseoccurs where concealed handgun permit holders stop what would have been mass shootings. While many don’t get news coverage because the permit holder prevents people from being killed, some, such as the recent Georgia case, still don’t get coverage even when there are dead bodies.

These heroes just don’t stop attacks in small towns in Georgia. In the last year, multiple mass public shootings in both Chicago and Philadelphia (the third and fourth largest cities in the U.S.) have been stopped.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Yes ... thank you for your input, Sanity.

May I just gently suggest to you that, perhaps, not *everything* I say about something that's happening in the USA has the subtext of 'Chortle, Britain is *so* much better than America'?

I mean, not telling you how to think ... just putting that out there, you know, as an abstract theory, a vague possibility, a fairy tale if you like ... you know?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Yes ... thank you for your input, Sanity.

May I just gently suggest to you that, perhaps, not *everything* I say about something that's happening in the USA has the subtext of 'Chortle, Britain is *so* much better than America'?

I mean, not telling you how to think ... just putting that out there, you know, as an abstract theory, a vague possibility, a fairy tale if you like ... you know?

If youre going to preach about Americas problems perhaps you had ought to first make sure that your own affairs are in order

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Yes ... thank you for your input, Sanity.

May I just gently suggest to you that, perhaps, not *everything* I say about something that's happening in the USA has the subtext of 'Chortle, Britain is *so* much better than America'?

I mean, not telling you how to think ... just putting that out there, you know, as an abstract theory, a vague possibility, a fairy tale if you like ... you know?

If youre going to preach about Americas problems perhaps you had ought to first make sure that your own affairs are in order

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4817595

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Yes ... thank you for your input, Sanity.

May I just gently suggest to you that, perhaps, not *everything* I say about something that's happening in the USA has the subtext of 'Chortle, Britain is *so* much better than America'?

I mean, not telling you how to think ... just putting that out there, you know, as an abstract theory, a vague possibility, a fairy tale if you like ... you know?

If youre going to preach about Americas problems perhaps you had ought to first make sure that your own affairs are in order

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4817595

Thanks for the backup lucy, you are a doll sometimes

That was me sarcastically pointing out that the USA isnt the only nation on the planet that has certain issues

The exact point I was making with peon above