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BamaD -> Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 1:06:53 PM)
A Black man in Ohio shoved a white woman into traffic, then pulled a knife on her saying that he hated white people. He was charged with Ethnic intimidation. Is that Ohioan for a hate crime? see here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/rodney-arnold-i-hate-white-people_n_7536534.html

Owner59 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 1:19:52 PM)
Oh that`s your bigot game....... 3 white men 'hunting black people' sentenced to prison in death of black man in Mississippi

PeonForHer -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 1:23:38 PM)
God knows. To me, assuming they've got the right man, unless it's shown that he's mad, it seems pretty much to be a hate crime. Though how 'hate crime' is defined in Ohio, or indeed anywhere in the USA, is not something I'm versed in.

Moderator3 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 1:26:46 PM)
Just so there isn't any confusion, let's not get into a debate on which crimes are more prominent in numbers if it means distracting from the original post and link. Comments on other crimes can be a part of this topic, but should not change the direction of the thread or topic. I would also like to warn you all to check the thread you are posting on because we have another thread in Current Affairs of the same title. This is proper use of both sections and thank you to the OP for using this as it was intended if one wanted a feisty and more moderated discussion taking place on the same topic. Thank you

eulero83 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 1:27:39 PM)
is there any controversy here?

Owner59 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 1:41:12 PM)
The right would like to cherry pick the news for black on white crimes , as part of their overall narrative. Just go to breightbart.com for a complete illustration of this. And they are the tame ones compared to other right-wing sites. On sites like Stormfront.....it`s a buffet of black on white crime horror.....and bigoted. The goal is to trick white people into thinking blacks are dangerous and deadly. The only reason I posted about another crime was to debunk the lie that only/mostly blacks are killing whites.....which is untrue and is racist. To Mod III, I have no intention of going off topic or distracting from the OP. Quite the opposite.

Zonie63 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 1:54:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD A Black man in Ohio shoved a white woman into traffic, then pulled a knife on her saying that he hated white people. He was charged with Ethnic intimidation. Is that Ohioan for a hate crime? see here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/rodney-arnold-i-hate-white-people_n_7536534.html It said that he was charged with "assault, aggravated menacing, and ethnic intimidation." It didn't really say anything about a hate crime either way. Is it possible that they may charge him with a hate crime at some point in the future, or have they already ruled out the possibility? They don't really give much information or detail as to what actually happened. This article was from a month ago, but I can't find any follow up articles. Some of these news organizations really stink. These articles just give limited information and no indication that the reporter even bothered to ask for more information. There may be specific legal reasons why this wouldn't qualify as a hate crime under the statutes, but unless the reporter asked the police about it or what their reasoning, then that information won't be in the article, leaving the readers in the dark.

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 1:54:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 is there any controversy here? Trying to get clarification, is this a hate crime in Ohio, or in spite of the facts of the case did they come up with a lesser charge? Hopefully someone from that area will help.

Kirata -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 2:24:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Trying to get clarification, is this a hate crime in Ohio, or in spite of the facts of the case did they come up with a lesser charge? Hopefully someone from that area will help. Subject to correction, I think there first has to be an underlying offense. Then, a finding that it was a "hate crime" based on the offender's motivation can invoke a sentence enhancement. K.

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 2:35:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD A Black man in Ohio shoved a white woman into traffic, then pulled a knife on her saying that he hated white people. He was charged with Ethnic intimidation. Is that Ohioan for a hate crime? see here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/rodney-arnold-i-hate-white-people_n_7536534.html It said that he was charged with "assault, aggravated menacing, and ethnic intimidation." It didn't really say anything about a hate crime either way. Is it possible that they may charge him with a hate crime at some point in the future, or have they already ruled out the possibility? They don't really give much information or detail as to what actually happened. This article was from a month ago, but I can't find any follow up articles. Some of these news organizations really stink. These articles just give limited information and no indication that the reporter even bothered to ask for more information. There may be specific legal reasons why this wouldn't qualify as a hate crime under the statutes, but unless the reporter asked the police about it or what their reasoning, then that information won't be in the article, leaving the readers in the dark. That is why I asked if ethnic intimidation is the term they use in Ohio for hate crime. If shoving someone in traffic because of their race isn't a hate crime what is.

NorthernGent -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 2:36:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD A Black man in Ohio shoved a white woman into traffic, then pulled a knife on her saying that he hated white people. He was charged with Ethnic intimidation. Is that Ohioan for a hate crime? see here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/rodney-arnold-i-hate-white-people_n_7536534.html This whole hate crime thing is really strange. The main thing is it's an idiot on the loose and the rest of it is secondary at best. It doesn't speak for wider society, just as that other idiot in wherever it was, think it was South Carolina; doesn't speak for wider society. Sometimes, there are too many people wanting to see something more than what is going on in front of their faces, which is it's just another monumental fuckin' idiot who needs locking up.

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 2:37:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Trying to get clarification, is this a hate crime in Ohio, or in spite of the facts of the case did they come up with a lesser charge? Hopefully someone from that area will help. Subject to correction, I think there first has to be an underlying offense. Then, a finding that it was a "hate crime" based on the offender's motivation can invoke a sentence enhancement. K. Shoving someone into traffic and pulling a knife on them should constitute a underlying offense.

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 2:39:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD A Black man in Ohio shoved a white woman into traffic, then pulled a knife on her saying that he hated white people. He was charged with Ethnic intimidation. Is that Ohioan for a hate crime? see here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/rodney-arnold-i-hate-white-people_n_7536534.html This whole hate crime thing is really strange. The main thing is it's an idiot on the loose and the rest of it is secondary at best. It doesn't speak for wider society, just as that other idiot in wherever it was, think it was South Carolina; doesn't speak for wider society. Sometimes, there are too many people wanting to see something more than what is going on in front of their faces, which is it's just another monumental fuckin' idiot who needs locking up. Personally I think the concept of hate crimes is stupid. But if they are going to have them they need to be enforced regardless of the race of the offender.

JVoV -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 2:44:29 PM)
https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/Pages/Ohio-Law-Allows-Increased-Penalties-for-Hate-Crimes.aspx Q: Sometimes I hear a crime described as a “hate crime.” What, exactly, is a hate crime? A: Ohio law broadly defines hate crimes as criminal acts motivated by prejudice or intolerance and directed toward a member of a gender, racial, religious or social group. Ohio law does not, however, consider hate crimes as stand-alone offenses. Rather, they are considered as factors in determining penalties or sentences for other crimes. The only Ohio statute that speaks directly to hate crimes is the “ethnic intimidation” provision under section 2927.12 of the Ohio Revised Code, which prohibits commission of the misdemeanor crimes of aggravated menacing, menacing, criminal damaging, criminal mischief, and some types of telephone harassment, when done “by reason of” the race, color, religion or national origin of another person or group of persons.

NorthernGent -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 2:45:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD A Black man in Ohio shoved a white woman into traffic, then pulled a knife on her saying that he hated white people. He was charged with Ethnic intimidation. Is that Ohioan for a hate crime? see here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/rodney-arnold-i-hate-white-people_n_7536534.html This whole hate crime thing is really strange. The main thing is it's an idiot on the loose and the rest of it is secondary at best. It doesn't speak for wider society, just as that other idiot in wherever it was, think it was South Carolina; doesn't speak for wider society. Sometimes, there are too many people wanting to see something more than what is going on in front of their faces, which is it's just another monumental fuckin' idiot who needs locking up. Personally I think the concept of hate crimes is stupid. But if they are going to have them they need to be enforced regardless of the race of the offender. I agree on both counts, BamaD. Anyone running into the road with a knife and threatening people is clearly not a full shillin', and is crying out for some sort of correctional behaviour. His target is pretty much irrelevant in this. Same for that other bloke. Killed a lot of people. Lock him up for life. And the rest of it isn't really of much consequence. What use does it do to call it a 'hate crime' when this bloke is pretty much out on his own in terms of his behaviour. I'd stand corrected but I'd imagine it's not often you get someone doing that so why make it somehow a society issue when it's clearly not?

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 2:59:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/Pages/Ohio-Law-Allows-Increased-Penalties-for-Hate-Crimes.aspx Q: Sometimes I hear a crime described as a “hate crime.” What, exactly, is a hate crime? A: Ohio law broadly defines hate crimes as criminal acts motivated by prejudice or intolerance and directed toward a member of a gender, racial, religious or social group. Ohio law does not, however, consider hate crimes as stand-alone offenses. Rather, they are considered as factors in determining penalties or sentences for other crimes. The only Ohio statute that speaks directly to hate crimes is the “ethnic intimidation” provision under section 2927.12 of the Ohio Revised Code, which prohibits commission of the misdemeanor crimes of aggravated menacing, menacing, criminal damaging, criminal mischief, and some types of telephone harassment, when done “by reason of” the race, color, religion or national origin of another person or group of persons. Thank you.

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 3:02:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD A Black man in Ohio shoved a white woman into traffic, then pulled a knife on her saying that he hated white people. He was charged with Ethnic intimidation. Is that Ohioan for a hate crime? see here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/rodney-arnold-i-hate-white-people_n_7536534.html This whole hate crime thing is really strange. The main thing is it's an idiot on the loose and the rest of it is secondary at best. It doesn't speak for wider society, just as that other idiot in wherever it was, think it was South Carolina; doesn't speak for wider society. Sometimes, there are too many people wanting to see something more than what is going on in front of their faces, which is it's just another monumental fuckin' idiot who needs locking up. Personally I think the concept of hate crimes is stupid. But if they are going to have them they need to be enforced regardless of the race of the offender. I agree on both counts, BamaD. Anyone running into the road with a knife and threatening people is clearly not a full shillin', and is crying out for some sort of correctional behaviour. His target is pretty much irrelevant in this. Same for that other bloke. Killed a lot of people. Lock him up for life. And the rest of it isn't really of much consequence. What use does it do to call it a 'hate crime' when this bloke is pretty much out on his own in terms of his behaviour. I'd stand corrected but I'd imagine it's not often you get someone doing that so why make it somehow a society issue when it's clearly not? We have hate crime laws so some people will feel better. That is the whole of it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 3:04:00 PM)
Demonstrates why reading the entire thread before posting sometimes is a good thing: quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawYouCanUse/Pages/Ohio-Law-Allows-Increased-Penalties-for-Hate-Crimes.aspx Q: Sometimes I hear a crime described as a “hate crime.” What, exactly, is a hate crime? A: Ohio law broadly defines hate crimes as criminal acts motivated by prejudice or intolerance and directed toward a member of a gender, racial, religious or social group. Ohio law does not, however, consider hate crimes as stand-alone offenses. Rather, they are considered as factors in determining penalties or sentences for other crimes. The only Ohio statute that speaks directly to hate crimes is the “ethnic intimidation” provision under section 2927.12 of the Ohio Revised Code, which prohibits commission of the misdemeanor crimes of aggravated menacing, menacing, criminal damaging, criminal mischief, and some types of telephone harassment, when done “by reason of” the race, color, religion or national origin of another person or group of persons. Beat me to it, JVOV!

CreativeDominant -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 7:53:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The right would like to cherry pick the news for black on white crimes , as part of their overall narrative. Just go to breightbart.com for a complete illustration of this. And they are the tame ones compared to other right-wing sites. On sites like Stormfront.....it`s a buffet of black on white crime horror.....and bigoted. The goal is to trick white people into thinking blacks are dangerous and deadly. The only reason I posted about another crime was to debunk the lie that only/mostly blacks are killing whites.....which is untrue and is racist. To Mod III, I have no intention of going off topic or distracting from the OP. Quite the opposite. Hmmm...given yours was the second post, when exactly did the "pushing of the 'lie' about mostly blacks committing crimes against whites" come in? Or is that just your excuse to M3? Cherry-picking by the right? That's rich, given your "ammosexual" thread.

Arturas -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/5/2015 10:36:51 PM)
I think there is ample reason to suspect hate crimes are being committed by members of all races. Does anyone believe this will get better or that removing a confederate battle flag and canceling Dukes of Hazard reruns will change things or avoid more issues or will it simply encourage more episodes of a new drama, encourage attacks on Whites and the work they and their fathers and mothers did in founding and establishing this country and fighting for states rights and freedoms? I see the time for this to get better as having past. Perhaps it past when the Confederacy lost their freedom, perhaps it was lost at a small mid-west neighborhood where Blacks rioted and burned for a man who was guilty after all and against an innocent White policeman who then suffered for doing his job. So one must not be surprised by an increase in Black on White assaults which will have to be taken into account when one reviews their personal feelings on owning guns for the purpose outlined in the Constitution, a document written in a very dangerous time, one that pales when compared to our time.

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