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tweakabelle -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/6/2015 7:15:18 AM)
If you want other people to change their attitude and ways, don't you think it might be a slightly more attractive propositon for them if your own attitudes and ways weren't so stuck in the past they would have earned the description 'petrified' half a century ago? After all, not everyone shares your nostalgia for times gone by. For instance returning to the past brings up slavery for blacks - not the most enticing offer they'll get this year is it?

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/6/2015 12:15:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle If you want other people to change their attitude and ways, don't you think it might be a slightly more attractive propositon for them if your own attitudes and ways weren't so stuck in the past they would have earned the description 'petrified' half a century ago? After all, not everyone shares your nostalgia for times gone by. For instance returning to the past brings up slavery for blacks - not the most enticing offer they'll get this year is it? Pol pot agreed with you knowledge, particularly knowledge of the past is a dangerous thing.

Moderator3 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/6/2015 7:12:36 PM)
I've removed one post for going off topic and onto the confederate flag issue and one response to it.

Owner59 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/6/2015 8:02:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle If you want other people to change their attitude and ways, don't you think it might be a slightly more attractive propositon for them if your own attitudes and ways weren't so stuck in the past they would have earned the description 'petrified' half a century ago? After all, not everyone shares your nostalgia for times gone by. For instance returning to the past brings up slavery for blacks - not the most enticing offer they'll get this year is it? Fun fact..... The dolts telling blacks they should get over slavery are the same dolts who won`t get over losing the civil war.

Moderator3 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/6/2015 8:19:41 PM)
I know that I must fine line this, but the topic is about hate crime. Wherever racism starts, whatever the causes were, this thread is about whether this incident could be considered a hate crime, etc. This continued blending of topics in so many threads means that I have to put a line out there somewhere. This is not about when racism started and the cause. It is about this particular crime.

NorthernGent -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 4:05:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle If you want other people to change their attitude and ways, don't you think it might be a slightly more attractive propositon for them if your own attitudes and ways weren't so stuck in the past they would have earned the description 'petrified' half a century ago? After all, not everyone shares your nostalgia for times gone by. For instance returning to the past brings up slavery for blacks - not the most enticing offer they'll get this year is it? Isn't there a possibility that you can look back at how things were and take the good and leave the bad?

Lucylastic -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 4:50:41 AM)
not when its stsill happening AND being used as an excuse to deny people the liberties they have gained since the sixties, but thats just my humble opinion:)

NorthernGent -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 5:07:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic not when its stsill happening AND being used as an excuse to deny people the liberties they have gained since the sixties, but thats just my humble opinion:) Hi Lucy, I'd agree were there mobs running 'round and lynching people. But, a couple of idiots? The equivalent would be that we can't be proud of what we've achieved, the list is endless so no need to name names and events, and our traditions; because the British Empire once engaged in slavery. The whole Confederate flag is a similar situation to English pride. After WW2 we were taught that being proud to be English means we must want to reinstate the British Empire. It only changed in the 1990s, and how monumentally ridiculous that a country that has achieved so much should be told that it's no acceptable to shout it from the rooftops. Perhaps a decent proportion of these people who fly the Confederate flag see certain values and traditions in that part of the world and have no desire to bring back slavery?

Lucylastic -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 5:36:41 AM)
Im actually on the fence about the flag...I do however fly the england flag, the union jack/flag" and the canadian flag as they all have symbolism for me. I also understand that some people will never forget the past and blame someone else for it and not accept that some are righteously pissed by it. Shit like what this guy did, is just brought up to inflame retaliation from the "aggrieved" parties.

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 9:28:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic not when its stsill happening AND being used as an excuse to deny people the liberties they have gained since the sixties, but thats just my humble opinion:) Hi Lucy, I'd agree were there mobs running 'round and lynching people. But, a couple of idiots? The equivalent would be that we can't be proud of what we've achieved, the list is endless so no need to name names and events, and our traditions; because the British Empire once engaged in slavery. The whole Confederate flag is a similar situation to English pride. After WW2 we were taught that being proud to be English means we must want to reinstate the British Empire. It only changed in the 1990s, and how monumentally ridiculous that a country that has achieved so much should be told that it's no acceptable to shout it from the rooftops. Perhaps a decent proportion of these people who fly the Confederate flag see certain values and traditions in that part of the world and have no desire to bring back slavery? What I highlighted is a good and accurate observation (and the rest of your post was good too), unfortunately it doesn't fit the narrative.

HunterCA -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 10:25:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer God knows. To me, assuming they've got the right man, unless it's shown that he's mad, it seems pretty much to be a hate crime. Though how 'hate crime' is defined in Ohio, or indeed anywhere in the USA, is not something I'm versed in. I'm still trying to get my mind wrapped around your earlier statement, a week or so ago, about Britains concept of being mad as opposed to our concept of being legally incompetent to participate in your own defense. I enjoy seeing and understanding cultural differences. So, in this case, had it occurred in Briatain, how would being mad affect the case?

HunterCA -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 10:27:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle If you want other people to change their attitude and ways, don't you think it might be a slightly more attractive propositon for them if your own attitudes and ways weren't so stuck in the past they would have earned the description 'petrified' half a century ago? After all, not everyone shares your nostalgia for times gone by. For instance returning to the past brings up slavery for blacks - not the most enticing offer they'll get this year is it? I love how liberals define morality as relative until it's time for them to hate on someone. Then a good ol fashioned shaming and talking down to is always in order.

PeonForHer -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 10:39:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer God knows. To me, assuming they've got the right man, unless it's shown that he's mad, it seems pretty much to be a hate crime. Though how 'hate crime' is defined in Ohio, or indeed anywhere in the USA, is not something I'm versed in. I'm still trying to get my mind wrapped around your earlier statement, a week or so ago, about Britains concept of being mad as opposed to our concept of being legally incompetent to participate in your own defense. I enjoy seeing and understanding cultural differences. So, in this case, had it occurred in Briatain, how would being mad affect the case? You'll have to post the link to the comment in question, Hunter.

Moderator3 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 10:59:18 AM)
Can we please go back to the real topic. The drift would be acceptable if there weren't threads on this topic where it can be discussed and the over-lap isn't needed. Thank you

HunterCA -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 11:09:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer God knows. To me, assuming they've got the right man, unless it's shown that he's mad, it seems pretty much to be a hate crime. Though how 'hate crime' is defined in Ohio, or indeed anywhere in the USA, is not something I'm versed in. I'm still trying to get my mind wrapped around your earlier statement, a week or so ago, about Britains concept of being mad as opposed to our concept of being legally incompetent to participate in your own defense. I enjoy seeing and understanding cultural differences. So, in this case, had it occurred in Briatain, how would being mad affect the case? You'll have to post the link to the comment in question, Hunter. Ya, I'm not going to look for it. I think it was in a discussion of the SC church shooting. There was discussion if the guy would plead insanity and you mentioned that in Britain there was a totally different perspective on how people In Britain looked at that sort of thing. Since the U.S. common law is a derivative of British legal history I've been wondering about our link in how we view it as opposed to how you view it. Whether the outlook has split or it has a similar root still.

NorthernGent -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 11:34:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moderator3 Can we please go back to the real topic. The drift would be acceptable if there weren't threads on this topic where it can be discussed and the over-lap isn't needed. Thank you Yes, although I think this one may have drifted in the way it has because there's only so much that can be said about another idiot making a nuisance of himself in the street.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 11:35:32 AM)
In response to Mod 3's request: Mayor Ed Lee distanced himself from the release, saying in a statement that “San Francisco’s Sanctuary City policy protects residents regardless of immigration status and is not intended to protect repeat, serious and violent felons. Our city’s policy helps immigrant and limited-English speaking communities where sometimes people fear and mistrust the criminal justice system.” Lee called for an investigation into what happened by all of the local and federal agencies involved, saying, “I am concerned about the circumstances that led to the release of Mr. Sanchez.” However, Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi said his agency had no choice but to release Lopez-Sanchez under an October 2013 city ordinance — one signed by the mayor. http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/S-F-drug-warrant-helped-accused-killer-stay-in-6369360.php The mayor is concerned...except when he's not. Anybody want to guess what his political affiliation is?

BamaD -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 11:47:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant In response to Mod 3's request: Mayor Ed Lee distanced himself from the release, saying in a statement that “San Francisco’s Sanctuary City policy protects residents regardless of immigration status and is not intended to protect repeat, serious and violent felons. Our city’s policy helps immigrant and limited-English speaking communities where sometimes people fear and mistrust the criminal justice system.” Lee called for an investigation into what happened by all of the local and federal agencies involved, saying, “I am concerned about the circumstances that led to the release of Mr. Sanchez.” However, Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi said his agency had no choice but to release Lopez-Sanchez under an October 2013 city ordinance — one signed by the mayor. http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/S-F-drug-warrant-helped-accused-killer-stay-in-6369360.php The mayor is concerned...except when he's not. Anybody want to guess what his political affiliation is? shouldn't this be in the sanctuary city thread?

CreativeDominant -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 12:17:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant In response to Mod 3's request: Mayor Ed Lee distanced himself from the release, saying in a statement that “San Francisco’s Sanctuary City policy protects residents regardless of immigration status and is not intended to protect repeat, serious and violent felons. Our city’s policy helps immigrant and limited-English speaking communities where sometimes people fear and mistrust the criminal justice system.” Lee called for an investigation into what happened by all of the local and federal agencies involved, saying, “I am concerned about the circumstances that led to the release of Mr. Sanchez.” However, Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi said his agency had no choice but to release Lopez-Sanchez under an October 2013 city ordinance — one signed by the mayor. http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/S-F-drug-warrant-helped-accused-killer-stay-in-6369360.php The mayor is concerned...except when he's not. Anybody want to guess what his political affiliation is? shouldn't this be in the sanctuary city thread? Oh shit...egg on my face!

Moderator3 -> RE: Man attacks white woman because he "hates white people" (7/7/2015 12:21:50 PM)
No egg. You get a purple star!

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