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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

If the program is such a success, why are they scraping it?
It is the women who get pregnant, not having sex is for their protection, if they don't have sex it will affect the number of men having sex.

Did you read the OP?

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They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.

Yeah, total failure there.

And if the men don't have sex it'll affect the number of women having sex/getting pregnant. It goes both ways. But this "personal responsibility" argument only seems to affect the women, nobody cares about the guys who run around knocking up women without a worry or care.

All I was saying is that the women have more incentive.

Right, they're being "protected." From what exactly? The risk of pregnancy can be drastically reduced by birth control, allowing them to go about their lives without being celibate, something every male has a right to do.

But relying on that when programs like this are being defunded gets that much more difficult. And the solution is "don't have sex." Really? We know that solution doesn't work, humans being what they are, but we keep telling women that and shame them for not being compliant, because it doesn't matter how fucked up people's lives get as long as we are ideologically pure.

You also said the program was a failure. I want more evidence of this. The stats alone show that is a lie.

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

The wording of your question implied it could not have been a success because it was being scrapped. "If it was such a success...?"

Nice backpedaling, again. How far will you go?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I don't know what's going on in Detroit in terms of policy, but poverty and joblessness (I believe) also lead higher teenage birth rates. As Colorado has demonstrated, though, there's now an effective policy it can implement to help women avoid teenage pregnancy. I don't think DET is actively engaged in a policy to deny women access to birth control.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I don't know what's going on in Detroit in terms of policy, but poverty and joblessness (I believe) also lead higher teenage birth rates. As Colorado has demonstrated, though, there's now an effective policy it can implement to help women avoid teenage pregnancy. I don't think DET is actively engaged in a policy to deny women access to birth control.

I see, so if the problem is in a right leaning state it's because of antiquated religous beliefs and if it happens in a left leaning city it's because of poverty and joblessness. Interesting logic you have going on here.

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Well if you do any reading, you know that "abstinence" states whose leadership is highly tied to religion have sky-high teen age pregnancy rates. This is a FACT.

I don't know the background of DET -- but like I said, COLO offers a model to attack the problem.

What the larger point here is that RED STATES don't want a solution, they want instead to observe religious principles. I might also point out that DET is a city and not a state.

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Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success
WALSENBURG, Colo. — Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them?
They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?_r=0
The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC

One has to wonder what the teen pregnancy rate would have done if those women had decided to not have sex.

We don't have to wonder, of course, and the result would be the same if the men decided not to have sex. But of course, we'll only demonize the sexuality of half the population.
For one, why should we presume to tell women they shouldn't be having sex?
For another, how do you propose to stop them?

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Yea, I always thought that we could cure the obesity problem if people just quit eating, especially the govt.'s corrupt for-profit red-meat, fat laden diet.
Not to mention the decades it has taken the FDA to finally get the very profitable trans fats out of our food and they still, still...give them 3 more years.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
it was a long term ...so i think the other alternative would be implants.
as condoms are the best protection against stds...I have a feeling it may not be as low as it could be....thats an incentive for both genders

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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

And if the men don't have sex it'll affect the number of women having sex/getting pregnant. It goes both ways. But this "personal responsibility" argument only seems to affect the women, nobody cares about the guys who run around knocking up women without a worry or care.

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The national teen pregnancy rate has declined almost continuously over the last two decades. The teen pregnancy rate includes pregnancies that end in a live birth, as well as those that end in abortion or miscarriage (fetal loss).* Between 1990 and 2010 (the most recent year for which data are available), the teen pregnancy rate declined by 51 percent—from 116.9 to 57.4 pregnancies per 1,000 teen girls.[4] According to recent national data, this decline is due to the combination of an increased percentage of adolescents who are waiting to have sexual intercourse and the increased use of contraceptives by teens.[4],[5]

1. Out of those who engaged in intercourse and used contraception, how many got pregnant?
2. Out of all those who abstained from intercourse, how many got pregnant?
**Obviously, in cases where the pregnancy was a result of rape, those pregnancies don't apply to either question.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
depends on your definition of "abstinence"
or rather a teenagers definition of abstinence.
Actually a sexual adults definition of abstinence would be valid too?

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depends on your definition of "abstinence"
or rather a teenagers definition of abstinence.
Actually a sexual adults definition of abstinence would be valid too?

So, we get to subjectively define things now?!? That's fucking hilarious!!

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
depends on your definition of "abstinence"
or rather a teenagers definition of abstinence.
Actually a sexual adults definition of abstinence would be valid too?

So, we get to subjectively define things now?!? That's fucking hilarious!!

Bristol Palin has some strong views on sexual abstinence ... perhaps we should consult her ...???? I would have to guess that hers is a particularly subjective definition.

Should we do what she says or do what she does?