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cloudboy -> Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 6:14:37 PM)


Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success


WALSENBURG, Colo. — Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them?

They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?_r=0

The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC




Wayward5oul -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 6:29:55 PM)

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/




DesideriScuri -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:10:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success

WALSENBURG, Colo. — Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them?
They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?_r=0
The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC


One has to wonder what the teen pregnancy rate would have done if those women had decided to not have sex.




RockaRolla -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:17:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success

WALSENBURG, Colo. — Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them?
They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?_r=0
The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC


One has to wonder what the teen pregnancy rate would have done if those women had decided to not have sex.


We don't have to wonder, of course, and the result would be the same if the men decided not to have sex. But of course, we'll only demonize the sexuality of half the population.

For one, why should we presume to tell women they shouldn't be having sex?
For another, how do you propose to stop them?




MrRodgers -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:19:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/


From your link.....

“It is a little disappointing because I don’t think this should be a political issue,” Coram said after the vote. “This should be a policy issue. Lives do matter, and if we’re going to break the cycle of poverty, this is a very good tool.”

Since when to repubs, has it ever been, that any policy issue...is not a political issue ? Especially one that involves money ?

The money was an astounding budget busting, earth shattering $5 million. I am sure they need that money to offset the Billion$ of subsidies to the Colorado fossil fuel industry.

HERE




BamaD -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:21:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RockaRolla


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success

WALSENBURG, Colo. — Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them?
They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?_r=0
The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC


One has to wonder what the teen pregnancy rate would have done if those women had decided to not have sex.


We don't have to wonder, of course, and the result would be the same if the men decided not to have sex. But of course, we'll only demonize the sexuality of half the population.

For one, why should we presume to tell women they shouldn't be having sex?
For another, how do you propose to stop them?

If the program is such a success, why are they scraping it?
It is the women who get pregnant, not having sex is for their protection, if they don't have sex it will affect the number of men having sex.




RockaRolla -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:23:13 PM)

The cost isn't important. The real reason is that women are out having sex, making their own choices, and we can't be having that.




RockaRolla -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:25:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

If the program is such a success, why are they scraping it?
It is the women who get pregnant, not having sex is for their protection, if they don't have sex it will affect the number of men having sex.

Did you read the OP?

quote:

They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.
Yeah, total failure there.

And if the men don't have sex it'll affect the number of women having sex/getting pregnant. It goes both ways. But this "personal responsibility" argument only seems to affect the women, nobody cares about the guys who run around knocking up women without a worry or care.




BamaD -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:34:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RockaRolla


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

If the program is such a success, why are they scraping it?
It is the women who get pregnant, not having sex is for their protection, if they don't have sex it will affect the number of men having sex.

Did you read the OP?

quote:

They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.
Yeah, total failure there.

And if the men don't have sex it'll affect the number of women having sex/getting pregnant. It goes both ways. But this "personal responsibility" argument only seems to affect the women, nobody cares about the guys who run around knocking up women without a worry or care.

All I was saying is that the women have more incentive.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:34:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/


From your link.....

“It is a little disappointing because I don’t think this should be a political issue,” Coram said after the vote. “This should be a policy issue. Lives do matter, and if we’re going to break the cycle of poverty, this is a very good tool.”

Since when to repubs, has it ever been, that any policy issue...is not a political issue ? Especially one that involves money ?

The money was an astounding budget busting, earth shattering $5 million. I am sure they need that money to offset the Billion$ of subsidies to the Colorado fossil fuel industry.

HERE



Supporters are hoping to find the money elsewhere. I for one hope they are successful, and that other states take notice.

Interesting though, the statement quoted above was made by a Republican, who went against his party and co-sponsored the bill.




BamaD -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:36:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/


From your link.....

“It is a little disappointing because I don’t think this should be a political issue,” Coram said after the vote. “This should be a policy issue. Lives do matter, and if we’re going to break the cycle of poverty, this is a very good tool.”

Since when to repubs, has it ever been, that any policy issue...is not a political issue ? Especially one that involves money ?

The money was an astounding budget busting, earth shattering $5 million. I am sure they need that money to offset the Billion$ of subsidies to the Colorado fossil fuel industry.

HERE



Supporters are hoping to find the money elsewhere. I for one hope they are successful, and that other states take notice.

Interesting though, the statement quoted above was made by a Republican, who went against his party and co-sponsored the bill.

Don't say that, it will destroy MR's world view.




MrRodgers -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:39:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success

WALSENBURG, Colo. — Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them?
They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?_r=0
The highest teen pregnancy rates are all in RED STATES: NM, MS, TX, AR, LA, OK, NV, SC


One has to wonder what the teen pregnancy rate would have done if those women had decided to not have sex.


Yea, I always thought that we could cure the obesity problem if people just quit eating, especially the govt.'s corrupt for-profit red-meat, fat laden diet.

Not to mention the decades it has taken the FDA to finally get the very profitable trans fats out of our food and they still, still...give them 3 more years.




RockaRolla -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:40:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: RockaRolla


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

If the program is such a success, why are they scraping it?
It is the women who get pregnant, not having sex is for their protection, if they don't have sex it will affect the number of men having sex.

Did you read the OP?

quote:

They did in a big way, and the results were startling. The birthrate among teenagers across the state plunged by 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while their rate of abortions fell by 42 percent, according to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. There was a similar decline in births for another group particularly vulnerable to unplanned pregnancies: unmarried women under 25 who have not finished high school.
Yeah, total failure there.

And if the men don't have sex it'll affect the number of women having sex/getting pregnant. It goes both ways. But this "personal responsibility" argument only seems to affect the women, nobody cares about the guys who run around knocking up women without a worry or care.

All I was saying is that the women have more incentive.

Right, they're being "protected." From what exactly? The risk of pregnancy can be drastically reduced by birth control, allowing them to go about their lives without being celibate, something every male has a right to do.

But relying on that when programs like this are being defunded gets that much more difficult. And the solution is "don't have sex." Really? We know that solution doesn't work, humans being what they are, but we keep telling women that and shame them for not being compliant, because it doesn't matter how fucked up people's lives get as long as we are ideologically pure.

You also said the program was a failure. I want more evidence of this. The stats alone show that is a lie.




Lucylastic -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:41:17 PM)

F:. No, we cant have sex, we might get pregnant.
M:ok dear, then just give me a blow job.

seems reasonable:) Id be divorced within a week




MrRodgers -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:43:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

And they have now decided to scrap the program.

Apparently the initial initiative was funded from other sources.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150429/NEWS01/150429564/


From your link.....

“It is a little disappointing because I don’t think this should be a political issue,” Coram said after the vote. “This should be a policy issue. Lives do matter, and if we’re going to break the cycle of poverty, this is a very good tool.”

Since when to repubs, has it ever been, that any policy issue...is not a political issue ? Especially one that involves money ?

The money was an astounding budget busting, earth shattering $5 million. I am sure they need that money to offset the Billion$ of subsidies to the Colorado fossil fuel industry.

HERE



Supporters are hoping to find the money elsewhere. I for one hope they are successful, and that other states take notice.

Interesting though, the statement quoted above was made by a Republican, who went against his party and co-sponsored the bill.

Don't say that, it will destroy MR's world view.

The world view that rules far too much of the western world...money and far too much of the reason for today's repub party to even exist.




RockaRolla -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:45:39 PM)

Can I just comment on the irony of guys on a BDSM message board trying to discourage female sexuality?




Wayward5oul -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:49:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
Don't say that, it will destroy MR's world view.


He had to go against the party line to do so.

Personally, I have difficulty seeing how the success of this program isn't viewed as a win/win by all parties. Fewer unwanted pregnancies, fewer abortions, fewer dependents on social services, all at a relatively low cost...isn't that what we all want, regardless of party affiliation?





bounty44 -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:52:43 PM)

quote:

Teenage births have been declining nationally, but experts say the timing and magnitude of the reductions in Colorado are a strong indication that the state’s program was a major driver. About one-fifth of women ages 18 to 44 in Colorado now use a long-acting method, a substantial increase driven largely by teenagers and poor women.


this does not fly from a cause and effect standpoint. if this were presented to an academic journal the same way it is reported in the newspaper article, it would be thrown out. it very well might be the cause, but with the information given, theres no way to be sure, even from what the "experts" are saying.








Wayward5oul -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 7:52:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

Can I just comment on the irony of guys on a BDSM message board trying to discourage female sexuality?


Some things boggle the mind.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success (7/9/2015 8:02:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

Teenage births have been declining nationally, but experts say the timing and magnitude of the reductions in Colorado are a strong indication that the state’s program was a major driver. About one-fifth of women ages 18 to 44 in Colorado now use a long-acting method, a substantial increase driven largely by teenagers and poor women.


this does not fly from a cause and effect standpoint. if this were presented to an academic journal the same way it is reported in the newspaper article, it would be thrown out. it very well might be the cause, but with the information given, theres no way to be sure, even from what the "experts" are saying.




A similar study was done in St. Louis, with similar results, and was published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/science/teenage-pregnancy-and-abortion-rates-plummet-with-long-acting-female-contraception-study-says.html





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