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NookieNotes -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/5/2015 3:15:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

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ORIGINAL: StaceyRaven

Sounds like observation bias. The dominant women who don't need money aren't the ones you come in contact with.

This.

Which is common when you're approaching women as if they're kinky vending machines.


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Wayward5oul -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/5/2015 7:12:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

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ORIGINAL: StaceyRaven

Sounds like observation bias. The dominant women who don't need money aren't the ones you come in contact with.

This.

Which is common when you're approaching women as if they're kinky vending machines.


These.


The kinky vending machines bit always makes me giggle. I try to visualize it, and end up seeing males getting angry and shaking the machine or kicking it when the kink they ordered gets caught in the machine, or they punched the wrong numbers and the wrong kink comes out. Then someone with a clue comes along and caresses the machine, talks to it, polishes the areas where it has been kicked, etc. The machine delivers a kink and the man expresses sincere thanks and promises that on his next visit he will bring a new song that he thinks the machine will love, and will help her during the times when she is having to deal with unsatisfied subs. Or he says he will get the machine some new lights, ones that will accentuate the angles that he loves to watch. Then all the other subs start calling him the 'kink whisperer' and follow him around hoping for enlightenment.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/5/2015 7:16:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: QueenRah
They will never learn. Nor will boneheads like a certain so-called dm (deliberately lower case letters, to match his junk size), who just dive-bombs threads, then runs away, like the silly, little boy he is.

QR

Perfect description. But you left out the part where every bomb tries to make the post about him.




Lucylastic -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/6/2015 7:26:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

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ORIGINAL: StaceyRaven

Sounds like observation bias. The dominant women who don't need money aren't the ones you come in contact with.

This.

Which is common when you're approaching women as if they're kinky vending machines.


These.


The kinky vending machines bit always makes me giggle. I try to visualize it, and end up seeing males getting angry and shaking the machine or kicking it when the kink they ordered gets caught in the machine, or they punched the wrong numbers and the wrong kink comes out. Then someone with a clue comes along and caresses the machine, talks to it, polishes the areas where it has been kicked, etc. The machine delivers a kink and the man expresses sincere thanks and promises that on his next visit he will bring a new song that he thinks the machine will love, and will help her during the times when she is having to deal with unsatisfied subs. Or he says he will get the machine some new lights, ones that will accentuate the angles that he loves to watch. Then all the other subs start calling him the 'kink whisperer' and follow him around hoping for enlightenment.

love the way your mind works:)




MistressRikke -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/10/2015 8:01:31 AM)

Based on the first post, it seems the OP is the one who is poor. I happen to only accept subs that will tribute and I'm very not poor. I have a vanilla job that pays quite well and I enjoy it very much. But I always feel a bit insulted when someone expects expertise from me for free. I feel that a certain amount of work put into anything deserves remuneration, just like anything else.

Domming is an art and like any art, you can pay for quality or you can accept some garbage glued to a canvas for free.




NookieNotes -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/10/2015 10:56:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressRikke
Domming is an art and like any art, you can pay for quality or you can accept some garbage glued to a canvas for free.


Or, you can put in the effort to court someone who does not accept money.

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like I've been saying. Money is simply a reflection of time and value. If you don't want to put in the time and show your value, then money can be a shortcut to get what you want.




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/10/2015 1:28:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TimYearneau

I went to a BDSM event and there was only one Dominant woman. I approached her and she immediately gave me her card and said she requires tribute if I want to talk to her.



Another two cents worth, even though the OP has likely abandoned this thread...maybe some newbies are lurking and will get a poor impression of munches and I want to correct this.

I've been going to munches for the past 4+ years here in WV and have never seen a pro-Domme handing out business cards, but then I haven't seen any male subs propositioning Dommes at munches (in Chinese food buffets, Mexican restaurants, steak houses, etc.) either. New people tend to be shy and hang out on the fringes (putting themselves into the "chopped liver" zone), or else they have friends who are regulars. The ones you see hugging each other before sitting down at a table and ordering their meal...these people are friends or friendly acquaintances who have been to the same play parties (and maybe have even scened together).

One of our munch groups in Charleston has over a thousand members, but when it comes time to go to one of their munches we're lucky if a dozen people show up. The OP mentioned ONE MUNCH meetup where there was only one female Dominant, and I want others to know this is not representative of that entire munch group. If he kept going, others would show up and he'd get to meet them.

Some of us have to travel so far that once we start getting invited to a munch group's play parties we stop going to the munches themselves (I'm not doing a six hour round trip to eat at a restaurant). We will see you after you start attending play parties or showing up at MAsT meetings. You will see a lot more people within your local kink community if you have patience, get out there to munches and be seen as someone with reasonably good manners...than by going to just one, and behaving in such a way that...a Domme has to assume you're used to paying for it.

Within the groups I belong to, there's a "don't scare grandma" rule for meetups in restaurants. Children might be sitting nearby. This is just a meet and greet, not where people should be hustling for an immediate hook up. If someone handed out her business card to anyone at a munch, and especially to a newbie, I'm certain our organizers would have a talk with her in private. (I've heard of others who have been banned for cruising munches for customers.)

If the pro-Domme is the organizer, then I'd suggest taking her card and thanking her for organizing the munch. Don't become a customer unless you wish to.

I'd suggest going to three or four munches within each different munch group to give them a fair chance. I've enjoyed ones in a private, conference type room in a restaurant and ones where all of our tables were combined in a long row moreso than ones where we all sat at different tables and weren't free to talk (except at our own table) once the food arrived.

Some meetups have been at picnic tables in a public park, others have been at bowling alleys, and some have been in private homes for pizza (we all donated $5 each for pizzas and we brought sodas and iced tea) and socializing through playing board games. These give numerous possibilities to get to know fellow kinksters in your area and to start building friendships and other relationships.




TNDommeK -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/10/2015 4:46:26 PM)

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Money is simply a reflection of time and value. If you don't want to put in the time and show your value, then money can be a shortcut to get what you want.



Id have to disagree here. I have turned money down before, and even when they pay, its not what they want. AAAAnd, they still have to show value.




RemoteUser -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/10/2015 6:34:08 PM)

Screw the money and the sycophantic fawning.

Give me a shared sincere joy of the situation any ole day.




NookieNotes -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/11/2015 6:57:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

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Money is simply a reflection of time and value. If you don't want to put in the time and show your value, then money can be a shortcut to get what you want.



Id have to disagree here. I have turned money down before, and even when they pay, its not what they want. AAAAnd, they still have to show value.



I did not say it IS a shortcut. I said it can be.

And I get your point... I mean, I have specific standards of required behavior for those I surround myself with.

The main thing I'm trying to say is that money is not some holy thing. It is simply a representation of time and value. You can offer that in other ways, or not... *shrugs*




CreativeDominant -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/11/2015 7:59:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressRikke

Based on the first post, it seems the OP is the one who is poor. I happen to only accept subs that will tribute and I'm very not poor. I have a vanilla job that pays quite well and I enjoy it very much. But I always feel a bit insulted when someone expects expertise from me for free. I feel that a certain amount of work put into anything deserves remuneration, just like anything else.

Domming is an art and like any art, you can pay for quality or you can accept some garbage glued to a canvas for free.

Or you can look at domination as being part of what you do and who you are and realize that you're going to have to use your 'people skills' to weed out the bad apples.

Or, as Nookie put it, in a civil fashion...you can use money as a short cut. Me...not being as civil as Bookie and finding your comment about those who do it for free equating to garbage rude and condescending would note to you that sometimes what you pay for isn't worth it at 1/2 the price.




MistressBels -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/11/2015 10:24:10 AM)

i am a mistress and i've been one for over 4 years or so, i've never asked to be payed.
i'm simple, i like certain type of subs, and i enjoy using them but i dont take just anyone, a few times i rejected some people and they offered to pay me for being used... i said sure but then it never ended up in anything and i just ended up wasting my time...




MiaCastle -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/12/2015 4:06:58 PM)

It just keeps getting better and better.

There isn't enough money in this whole world that would convince me to do something I don't want to do and to do it with worms and piggies. What the heck cartoon is this? The so called doms are getting as weak as the worms and piggies. Hang a title on that thing and everyone will fall in line, because we all know everyone reads the signs and obeys.

Is the whole world becoming a joke? Trump dump for president? Dominant's verifying with a sign, pigs and worms that read. Girls that say no until the right price or they are convinced, claiming to be dominants, then taking credit for it when it falls through.

Did I take the red pill or the blue one? I'm doing the rabbit hole without Alice or Hef! This sucks.




WickedestDesires -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/17/2015 10:43:34 AM)

Some are real, some are not real, scammers etc no matter the site. (some operate as gangs – eg in which someone can prove who they say in brief instances whilst hoovering you dry of cash everyone in their wee cartel gets a cut).

The latter(s) merely requires cash and shiny bobbles.
Why, I myself require muffins, cheap chardonnay and lots of cat food.
Yes it annoys me they show up, and they show up in greater abundance than all other types combined in my lands – don’t make me quote the demographics I grow weary of doing so.
People should be able to filter them out of searches, or include them if they so wish -that seems fair.

Good people are good people, poor people are poor people- The above is irrelevant to that statement.

I never shy away from quoting actual figures, no matter the site (some do not like me doing that particularly that other site). Even I have trouble believing you have been 100% unlucky. When I went to clubs there were few pro domes there – now some market themselves as part of the club night come see mistress such and such there is usually like loads of them (why I stopped going long time- good decade now). But there were those of the pro aspect who went and they went because they liked them and were lovely and friendly souls, and no berefting souls of their cash was mentioned..see some are nice, helpful and full of advice :) - whether they are good people or bad people I cannot say



Therein lies the impression every soul seeking a dominant needs to cough up gold bullion to speak to them.
Or that a dominant master spits in your face for the botheration of him, by a genuine single, for being bothered by he is married, the infamous open relationship, my partner knows and so on.
Submissives as above (99% i have ever spoken to are married or attached - hence i rarely speak long to these wretched beings - if they are looking for an additional relationship). perhaps all the genuine single souls are scared away in a brief period of time. what other explanation can there be

I myself believe the above paragraph sums up most of what my peepers encounter or claim to be representative of the scene and wants and desires – perhaps I have never looked hard enough over the eons.




goddessroxana -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/24/2015 8:20:50 PM)

I don't know what makes you think that way or what kind of people have you ran into, but I am a Domme and referred as a Goddess since 2008 and I was born rich, now I have a good business of my own going on. Femdom and Findom are just about pleasure not something you make your budget by. And I have Domme friends think exactly the same!!




MzWhipplash -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/25/2015 4:03:05 AM)

On your profile write what you actually seek. If you offer yourself as a Lifestyle Submissive or Slave as part of a D/s FLR where she leads at home, in life and in play say that.

If you want to give up control in play only say that. Be specific in what you seek.

There are many Munches, FemDom Munches, mixed Events and FemDom Events where Dominant Lifestyle Women are. ClubFEM International has Chapters Globally where Pro Topping is not allowed I.E No Tributes and no pay-to-play.

There is Pedestal in London, H.o.W.L in Rainham Kent, and Devotion in the Midlands of England.

Regarding Pro Tops.

It is a Service. Simple. For a Relationship seek "Lifestyle " Dominant Women.

And join Fetlife.com for the Global list of Munches and Events, and discussion Groups. Educate yourself first for going anywhere.


Mz. Whipplash






LadyNeith -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (8/31/2015 7:14:08 PM)

Everyone here is just making judgments. Nice job, guys but it's not going to help him, he's just going to feel bad/quit, learn nothing, and get mad at some of you. Nothing will be solved.

A man new to this lifestyle usually makes a very simple mathematical error. They don't understand how badly the odds are against them. You can't blame them, in the vanilla world if you tell them "Just be yourself, god made a match for you out there," that'd be pretty nice advice, right? Chances are, there is a person for them to love who will love them too.

In the BDSM world, female Dominants/Tops are the GREATEST minority. Blame the patriarchy. The fact remains, if you could see my inbox, you'd understand why I have to say NO to almost all guys who ask. Who would have time for every one who wants to talk to me? I know ALL THE REST of your femdommes are the same way.

It's great that you want a Domme. Male submission is a beautiful treasure. But you may not be. And if you are, maybe the Domme you're seeking out (this Unicorn Lifestyle Domme who will never ask for anything from you but happily beat your ass just because she loves you so much for being you) already found a guy just like you? You can decide it is TOO UNFAIR that you would have to either become a top-shelf version of yourself/better yourself OR pay money in order to access your kink. You could do that and quit this life, right?

Or you can understand what is at play here, and learn what might make you more appealing. You can make the quest all about finding that special lady, but you might have to become super awesome for her to notice you and want you considering all of her options. Are you what she wants? You may have never had to think this way in your life before.

I mean, we can LITERALLY pick the exact man we want, and if you aren't him, maybe you can think about how to be.

Maybe take some classes and offer to teach some Dommes. Go to the gym. Learn to do some useful skills and offer to help her out. I can't tell you how to find your own specific happiness but I CAN tell you it's not "wrong" what you say, it's ignorant. It shows a deep lack of understanding, but that can be good, it can point you to your next goal. Learn as much as you can about femmedommes and you can have much better chances of attracting one.

I hope that helps.

All the best.




SweetlySadistic1 -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (9/2/2015 10:23:22 AM)

I'm a Domme and I do live on a limited income, BUT I've never asked to be paid or given money. But when I meet someone who does act like he thinks I'm a walking, talking instant fetish dispenser, I just tell him to take his happy ass and run along now. I suppose I could tell him I want such and such an amount of money but I don't. I have no desire to do anything for such a disrespectful person. I give respect and expect it back.

I do have one, and one only, person who does pay me X amount to Top him for an hour. But, and this is a huge but, he is the one who asked me if I would Top him for X amount, I did not ask him. I had to ask him if he was honest to Goddess serious and he said yes. I said I had to think about it and, after a couple days, I said yes. We had dated a couple times and, since he didn't have the time to invest in developing a real relationship, I said I wanted a whole relationship along with the D/s dynamic and it wouldn't work out and it was then that he offered up that idea. I do genuinely care very much for him and like him, otherwise I would have said no. So I do what I love to do, he gets what he loves to get with no strings attached, and it's a win/win situation for everyone concerned. Other than that, I don't make a penny for Dominating anyone. And like I say, he is the one who asked me, not the other way around.

SweetlySadistic1




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (9/2/2015 7:09:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TimYearneau

I'm new to this place so I'm not sure where to post this. If this is a repeated question, or if the community feels it's a stupid question, I'll delete it, if that's possible.

In real life if someone automatically brings up money they are usually poor people who are needy. I understand that a pro-dominant woman is using this site to get more clients and make money. So when I read her profile I make sure she isn't a pro. Every dominant woman I've encountered on this site, as well as another site, always bring up the issue they want to be paid, even though she isn't a pro. No where do I ever mention I'm willing to pay.

I went to a BDSM event and there was only one Dominant woman. I approached her and she immediately gave me her card and said she requires tribute if I want to talk to her.

I've never come across people who want to get paid like this. But I do come across poor people who ask for money.

Are dominant women tend to be financially strapped?



I think I have absolutely no clue what you were saying.




LadyCai -> RE: Are Dominant Women Usually Poor People? (10/7/2015 5:42:47 AM)

I am reasonably new to the site, though certainly not to this world. This is the first time I have made it to the forums as I've had limited time and a lot of messages. Messages that have had me thinking and speaking of this subject a lot, this may be long as a result.

Firstly, I personally think we are speaking of 4 groups of women.

The first would be women simply selling favours at your request, to men who enjoy paying to be treated like dirt. Those are quite common though it offends me that the term "fin Domme" is often given to these women, as I will explain later.

The second would be sugar babies with dominant personalities. Many rich men like to strike sexual deals with sexually appealing women, and it is a mistake to think all these men are dominant. When there's plenty of men to choose between, naturally one will choose a richer man if the option is there.

The third would be genuine Dommes who require, desire or for whatever reason find it appealing to be paid for their Art. They have Every Right to feel this way, regardless of their wealth (or lack), and you have no right to question it! As said above, there are plenty of options out there, men begging for attention, one would be stupid not to take available money from men they may have little respect for anyway. Are you so special that you think you are worth more then a boy willing to do everything you are AND pay for the privilege?

The fourth are Findommes.

I have studied various forms of BDSM, pain and pleasure and control methods, and with more then a few serious trainers in and out of Australia. I have always known I like to be in control, I crave power, but while most Dommes I have encountered have their specific turn ons I never found mine until a few years ago.
MONEY. I find money sexual, and beautiful, and erotic. To me, and to many of the men I have encountered, money is about power and control, and let's face it, THAT is what most of us here are really about in one way or another.
You are making the mistake of seeing money as a seperate factor to sex. To me your wallet is as much a controlling part of you as your asshole.

As a Findomme I do NOT accept payment. That goes against what I am really about. No it's much deeper then that. Some of my pets are permitted to relinquish their funds to me, if they do well by me. I often refuse them which can be entertainingly crushing for them. Others I take my money off, and they are lucky to keep what I allow them to, always enough to live on and often more if they are behaving and working well for me. They love me, they live for me. Some, I gamble with, fun stacked games where I take the money from them a little at a time, and I find this highly highly erotic.

What I choose to use them for sexually is up to ME. Some I barely meet.it is never a payment for a service or an amount of time. I own their wallets as a part of them, and I use them as any Domme would.
Larger "tributes" do not constitute more time or a likelihood I'll do what you want at any time, no! I do find out my subs interests and dislikes and all of course, so I can excersise effective control, but never would I consider myself responsible to them in anywày I would not feel in any other form of non-financial D/S situation!

I have turned away endless subs in the past few weeks since joining, because I only take true PayPets. I've also taken on some new pets however, and they have been quite amusing.

I don't think I need to say this was a rather insulting post and I feel the OP may be treating this like a random hook up sight rather then looking for that real connection, to approach a Domme in that environment your first visit there and first time you met her - really?! Totally inappropriate, I myself would have told you to never speak to me again unless you were handing me $1000 or a copy of your credit card, because if you race into things without really assessing if they're right for you, you deserve to pay for the stupidity, and someone that flighty couldn't be trusted to be loyal unless I had some form of power over him.




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