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tweakabelle -> Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 9:46:32 AM)

After months of intensive negotiations Iran and the international community have reached an agreement limiting Iran's nuclear options in return for lifting of UN imposed sanctions. All parties hailed the agreement as a civiised alternative to confrontation. The agreement will be implemented in carefully chorerographed stages that will eventually see Iran's ability to refine uranium to nuclear weapon standard abandoned, with strict limits on Iran's nuclear activity and international inspections of facilities. In return sanctions will be lifted gradually and Iranian assets overseas (said to be up to $100 billion) currently frozen released to Iran.

The Guardian reports:
"Iran and six world powers have concluded an agreement that will lift sanctions on Iran but place strict limits on its nuclear programme for more than a decade, in a historic compromise designed to stop the spread of atomic weapons and avert a major new conflict in the Middle East.

The deal, concluded in a Vienna hotel after prolonged talks between foreign ministers, binds Iran, the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia and China to a series of undertakings stretching over many years. Iran will dismantle much of its nuclear infrastructure, while the UN, US and EU will take down a wall of sanctions built around Iran over the past nine years.

Barack Obama said the agreement was the best available option to prevent Tehran from acquiring a nuclear bomb, and promised to veto any attempt by Republican opponents to undermine it. His Iranian counterpart, Hassan Rouhani, said a new phase had begun in Iran’s relations with the rest of the world.

Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Washington-based Arms Control Association, described the agreement as among the most complex and consequential of the nuclear age: “[The agreement follows] nearly two years of intense negotiations involving seven nations, including two long-time adversaries, after more than a decade of false starts and missed opportunities.

“The deal is a major nuclear nonproliferation breakthrough that promises to prevent the emergence of another nuclear-armed state and head off a nuclear arms race in the world’s most volatile region.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/14/iran-nuclear-programme-world-powers-historic-deal-lift-sanctions

In its editorial The Guardian called the agreement "a triumph of diplomacy" that can usher in a new era of peace between Iran and the West. Israel's PM Netanyahoo predictably denounced it. Will this be the agreement that will mark Iran's return to the international community? Will it bolster the 'moderates' in Teheran who have staked their political future on rapproachement with the West? Will it succeed in its goals of stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon? Will it replace confrontation with detente?




Sanity -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:08:32 AM)

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Sanity -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:09:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

After months of intensive negotiations Iran and the international community have reached an agreement limiting Iran's nuclear options in return for lifting of UN imposed sanctions. All parties hailed the agreement as a civiised alternative to confrontation. The agreement will be implemented in carefully chorerographed stages that will eventually see Iran's ability to refine uranium to nuclear weapon standard abandoned, with strict limits on Iran's nuclear activity and international inspections of facilities. In return sanctions will be lifted gradually and Iranian assets overseas (said to be up to $100 billion) currently frozen released to Iran.

The Guardian reports:
"Iran and six world powers have concluded an agreement that will lift sanctions on Iran but place strict limits on its nuclear programme for more than a decade, in a historic compromise designed to stop the spread of atomic weapons and avert a major new conflict in the Middle East.

The deal, concluded in a Vienna hotel after prolonged talks between foreign ministers, binds Iran, the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia and China to a series of undertakings stretching over many years. Iran will dismantle much of its nuclear infrastructure, while the UN, US and EU will take down a wall of sanctions built around Iran over the past nine years.

Barack Obama said the agreement was the best available option to prevent Tehran from acquiring a nuclear bomb, and promised to veto any attempt by Republican opponents to undermine it. His Iranian counterpart, Hassan Rouhani, said a new phase had begun in Iran’s relations with the rest of the world.

Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Washington-based Arms Control Association, described the agreement as among the most complex and consequential of the nuclear age: “[The agreement follows] nearly two years of intense negotiations involving seven nations, including two long-time adversaries, after more than a decade of false starts and missed opportunities.

“The deal is a major nuclear nonproliferation breakthrough that promises to prevent the emergence of another nuclear-armed state and head off a nuclear arms race in the world’s most volatile region.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/14/iran-nuclear-programme-world-powers-historic-deal-lift-sanctions

In its editorial The Guardian called the agreement "a triumph of diplomacy" that can usher in a new era of peace between Iran and the West. Israel's PM Netanyahoo predictably denounced it. Will this be the agreement that will mark Iran's return to the international community? Will it bolster the 'moderates' in Teheran who have staked their political future on rapproachement with the West? Will it succeed in its goals of stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon? Will it replace confrontation with detente?



The Guardian is a far left propaganda rag




cloudboy -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:10:38 AM)


My fingers are crossed.




Tkman117 -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:12:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

After months of intensive negotiations Iran and the international community have reached an agreement limiting Iran's nuclear options in return for lifting of UN imposed sanctions. All parties hailed the agreement as a civiised alternative to confrontation. The agreement will be implemented in carefully chorerographed stages that will eventually see Iran's ability to refine uranium to nuclear weapon standard abandoned, with strict limits on Iran's nuclear activity and international inspections of facilities. In return sanctions will be lifted gradually and Iranian assets overseas (said to be up to $100 billion) currently frozen released to Iran.

The Guardian reports:
"Iran and six world powers have concluded an agreement that will lift sanctions on Iran but place strict limits on its nuclear programme for more than a decade, in a historic compromise designed to stop the spread of atomic weapons and avert a major new conflict in the Middle East.

The deal, concluded in a Vienna hotel after prolonged talks between foreign ministers, binds Iran, the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia and China to a series of undertakings stretching over many years. Iran will dismantle much of its nuclear infrastructure, while the UN, US and EU will take down a wall of sanctions built around Iran over the past nine years.

Barack Obama said the agreement was the best available option to prevent Tehran from acquiring a nuclear bomb, and promised to veto any attempt by Republican opponents to undermine it. His Iranian counterpart, Hassan Rouhani, said a new phase had begun in Iran’s relations with the rest of the world.

Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Washington-based Arms Control Association, described the agreement as among the most complex and consequential of the nuclear age: “[The agreement follows] nearly two years of intense negotiations involving seven nations, including two long-time adversaries, after more than a decade of false starts and missed opportunities.

“The deal is a major nuclear nonproliferation breakthrough that promises to prevent the emergence of another nuclear-armed state and head off a nuclear arms race in the world’s most volatile region.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/14/iran-nuclear-programme-world-powers-historic-deal-lift-sanctions

In its editorial The Guardian called the agreement "a triumph of diplomacy" that can usher in a new era of peace between Iran and the West. Israel's PM Netanyahoo predictably denounced it. Will this be the agreement that will mark Iran's return to the international community? Will it bolster the 'moderates' in Teheran who have staked their political future on rapproachement with the West? Will it succeed in its goals of stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon? Will it replace confrontation with detente?



The Guardian is a far left propaganda rag


And you're a right wing troll who parrots every talking point heard on Fox News. If you wana throw insults around, at the very least be truthful about it.




servantforuse -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:14:50 AM)

Mine to. Lets hope that Congress doesn't cave in and send billions to Iran.




Sanity -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:16:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

After months of intensive negotiations Iran and the international community have reached an agreement limiting Iran's nuclear options in return for lifting of UN imposed sanctions. All parties hailed the agreement as a civiised alternative to confrontation. The agreement will be implemented in carefully chorerographed stages that will eventually see Iran's ability to refine uranium to nuclear weapon standard abandoned, with strict limits on Iran's nuclear activity and international inspections of facilities. In return sanctions will be lifted gradually and Iranian assets overseas (said to be up to $100 billion) currently frozen released to Iran.

The Guardian reports:
"Iran and six world powers have concluded an agreement that will lift sanctions on Iran but place strict limits on its nuclear programme for more than a decade, in a historic compromise designed to stop the spread of atomic weapons and avert a major new conflict in the Middle East.

The deal, concluded in a Vienna hotel after prolonged talks between foreign ministers, binds Iran, the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia and China to a series of undertakings stretching over many years. Iran will dismantle much of its nuclear infrastructure, while the UN, US and EU will take down a wall of sanctions built around Iran over the past nine years.

Barack Obama said the agreement was the best available option to prevent Tehran from acquiring a nuclear bomb, and promised to veto any attempt by Republican opponents to undermine it. His Iranian counterpart, Hassan Rouhani, said a new phase had begun in Iran’s relations with the rest of the world.

Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Washington-based Arms Control Association, described the agreement as among the most complex and consequential of the nuclear age: “[The agreement follows] nearly two years of intense negotiations involving seven nations, including two long-time adversaries, after more than a decade of false starts and missed opportunities.

“The deal is a major nuclear nonproliferation breakthrough that promises to prevent the emergence of another nuclear-armed state and head off a nuclear arms race in the world’s most volatile region.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/14/iran-nuclear-programme-world-powers-historic-deal-lift-sanctions

In its editorial The Guardian called the agreement "a triumph of diplomacy" that can usher in a new era of peace between Iran and the West. Israel's PM Netanyahoo predictably denounced it. Will this be the agreement that will mark Iran's return to the international community? Will it bolster the 'moderates' in Teheran who have staked their political future on rapproachement with the West? Will it succeed in its goals of stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon? Will it replace confrontation with detente?



The Guardian is a far left propaganda rag


And you're a right wing troll who parrots every talking point heard on Fox News. If you wana throw insults around, at the very least be truthful about it.


YOURE calling others "trolls"

What a laugh riot

Irony at its peak




PeonForHer -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:22:44 AM)

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Will this be the agreement that will mark Iran's return to the international community? Will it bolster the 'moderates' in Teheran who have staked their political future on rapproachement with the West? Will it succeed in its goals of stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon? Will it replace confrontation with detente?


All those could be answered with a 'yes, possibly'. Iran gets wealth and it gets watched over. The lessons for Joe Q Iranian Public seem pretty clear. It's just that Iran is a pretty damned volatile place, that's the main problem.

Poor Netanyeehah. I see there are now calls for his resignation: he ballsed up on his negotiating tactics by alienating the Americans, amongst other things. Oh dear.




Tkman117 -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:31:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

After months of intensive negotiations Iran and the international community have reached an agreement limiting Iran's nuclear options in return for lifting of UN imposed sanctions. All parties hailed the agreement as a civiised alternative to confrontation. The agreement will be implemented in carefully chorerographed stages that will eventually see Iran's ability to refine uranium to nuclear weapon standard abandoned, with strict limits on Iran's nuclear activity and international inspections of facilities. In return sanctions will be lifted gradually and Iranian assets overseas (said to be up to $100 billion) currently frozen released to Iran.

The Guardian reports:
"Iran and six world powers have concluded an agreement that will lift sanctions on Iran but place strict limits on its nuclear programme for more than a decade, in a historic compromise designed to stop the spread of atomic weapons and avert a major new conflict in the Middle East.

The deal, concluded in a Vienna hotel after prolonged talks between foreign ministers, binds Iran, the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia and China to a series of undertakings stretching over many years. Iran will dismantle much of its nuclear infrastructure, while the UN, US and EU will take down a wall of sanctions built around Iran over the past nine years.

Barack Obama said the agreement was the best available option to prevent Tehran from acquiring a nuclear bomb, and promised to veto any attempt by Republican opponents to undermine it. His Iranian counterpart, Hassan Rouhani, said a new phase had begun in Iran’s relations with the rest of the world.

Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Washington-based Arms Control Association, described the agreement as among the most complex and consequential of the nuclear age: “[The agreement follows] nearly two years of intense negotiations involving seven nations, including two long-time adversaries, after more than a decade of false starts and missed opportunities.

“The deal is a major nuclear nonproliferation breakthrough that promises to prevent the emergence of another nuclear-armed state and head off a nuclear arms race in the world’s most volatile region.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/14/iran-nuclear-programme-world-powers-historic-deal-lift-sanctions

In its editorial The Guardian called the agreement "a triumph of diplomacy" that can usher in a new era of peace between Iran and the West. Israel's PM Netanyahoo predictably denounced it. Will this be the agreement that will mark Iran's return to the international community? Will it bolster the 'moderates' in Teheran who have staked their political future on rapproachement with the West? Will it succeed in its goals of stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon? Will it replace confrontation with detente?



The Guardian is a far left propaganda rag


And you're a right wing troll who parrots every talking point heard on Fox News. If you wana throw insults around, at the very least be truthful about it.


YOURE calling others "trolls"

What a laugh riot

Irony at its peak


Do you even know the difference between reality and what's in your head? You know what, pointless question, the answer is quite obvious, might want to see a specialist sometime soon bud [;)]




RottenJohnny -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:33:15 AM)

FR

Anyone want to guess how long it's going to be before Iran starts cheating? I'm thinking next week.




PeonForHer -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:40:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

FR

Anyone want to guess how long it's going to be before Iran starts cheating? I'm thinking next week.


Inspectors are part of the deal. That should help. Besides, sanctions and benefits aren't going to be lifted immediately. There's a lot to encourage the Iranians not to be naughty.




RottenJohnny -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:48:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
FR
Anyone want to guess how long it's going to be before Iran starts cheating? I'm thinking next week.

Inspectors are part of the deal. That should help. Besides, sanctions and benefits aren't going to be lifted immediately. There's a lot to encourage the Iranians not to be naughty.

I applaud your optimism...but I'm a realist. Everyone should know that the first thing any government is going to do is immediately start exploiting the things not specified in an agreement.




PeonForHer -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 10:54:49 AM)

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I applaud your optimism...but I'm a realist. Everyone should know that the first thing any government is going to do is immediately start exploiting the things not specified in an agreement.


Of course.




joether -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 11:10:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Anyone want to guess how long it's going to be before Iran starts cheating? I'm thinking next week.


They do take their lessons from the UGOP: University of Grand Old Party. Some call it UR too (University of Republicans).

You can get 4 year degrees in lying, being pseudo-honest, cheating on your wife correctly, and avoiding recognizing you are an ass, lunatic, and moron.







joether -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 11:21:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

After months of intensive negotiations Iran and the international community have reached an agreement limiting Iran's nuclear options in return for lifting of UN imposed sanctions. All parties hailed the agreement as a civiised alternative to confrontation. The agreement will be implemented in carefully chorerographed stages that will eventually see Iran's ability to refine uranium to nuclear weapon standard abandoned, with strict limits on Iran's nuclear activity and international inspections of facilities. In return sanctions will be lifted gradually and Iranian assets overseas (said to be up to $100 billion) currently frozen released to Iran.

The Guardian reports:
"Iran and six world powers have concluded an agreement that will lift sanctions on Iran but place strict limits on its nuclear programme for more than a decade, in a historic compromise designed to stop the spread of atomic weapons and avert a major new conflict in the Middle East.

The deal, concluded in a Vienna hotel after prolonged talks between foreign ministers, binds Iran, the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia and China to a series of undertakings stretching over many years. Iran will dismantle much of its nuclear infrastructure, while the UN, US and EU will take down a wall of sanctions built around Iran over the past nine years.

Barack Obama said the agreement was the best available option to prevent Tehran from acquiring a nuclear bomb, and promised to veto any attempt by Republican opponents to undermine it. His Iranian counterpart, Hassan Rouhani, said a new phase had begun in Iran’s relations with the rest of the world.

Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Washington-based Arms Control Association, described the agreement as among the most complex and consequential of the nuclear age: “[The agreement follows] nearly two years of intense negotiations involving seven nations, including two long-time adversaries, after more than a decade of false starts and missed opportunities.

“The deal is a major nuclear nonproliferation breakthrough that promises to prevent the emergence of another nuclear-armed state and head off a nuclear arms race in the world’s most volatile region.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/14/iran-nuclear-programme-world-powers-historic-deal-lift-sanctions

In its editorial The Guardian called the agreement "a triumph of diplomacy" that can usher in a new era of peace between Iran and the West. Israel's PM Netanyahoo predictably denounced it. Will this be the agreement that will mark Iran's return to the international community? Will it bolster the 'moderates' in Teheran who have staked their political future on rapproachement with the West? Will it succeed in its goals of stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon? Will it replace confrontation with detente?


Now the next problem for the President: Getting it past a Republican controlled Senate. Given its a general elections right around the corner in the nation; WHY, would the Republican/Tea Party go along with this nuclear deal? They have more motivation to torpedo it:

1 ) Makes Obama look bad
2 ) Forces Hillary into a compromising position
3 ) Keeps their political followers (read: minions) fearful of a nuclear Iran
4 ) Have something to 'talk' about on the campaign trail

I would be quite amazed if the Republican controlled Senate placed the welfare of the nation and world before its own petty self-interest(s). Expect the conservative media (i.e. the 24/7/365 conservative, political, propaganda machines) to try to spin this as a 'bad deal' for Americans just before the GOP/TP destroys it in the Senate.....

An then ask all those supporters of the GOP/TP to explain the actual deal that Obama, Kerry, and many others put together. You'll get an answer similar in depth and quality to the Affordable Care Act: Total bullshit that displays a complete lack of knowledge on the concept. Even after that, when its explained, they will contuine to deny it, since, why would conservative media lie?




Zonie63 -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 12:28:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

FR

Anyone want to guess how long it's going to be before Iran starts cheating? I'm thinking next week.


True, although if they used any nukes against anyone, the nuclear retaliation would wipe out their entire country.

We wouldn't even be having this trouble today if it wasn't for Reagan.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 3:06:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
In its editorial The Guardian called the agreement "a triumph of diplomacy" that can usher in a new era of peace between Iran and the West. Israel's PM Netanyahoo predictably denounced it. Will this be the agreement that will mark Iran's return to the international community? Will it bolster the 'moderates' in Teheran who have staked their political future on rapproachement with the West? Will it succeed in its goals of stopping an Iranian nuclear weapon? Will it replace confrontation with detente?


2 Things:
    1. Thanks for using the word, "rapproachement." I had to look it up, and now have another word in my vocabulary. Thank you.
    2. One answer to all your questions: I sure as fuck hope so.





Politesub53 -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 4:17:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The Guardian is a far left propaganda rag


Left wing bastards reporting the truth....how dare they. [8|]




Lucylastic -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 4:24:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

The Guardian is a far left propaganda rag


Left wing bastards reporting the truth....how dare they. [8|]


He has to say that, till the rw spinners have sent out their talking points to argue with...




Politesub53 -> RE: Agreement reached on Iran nuclear program (7/14/2015 4:27:42 PM)

No doubt Lucy. It is a classic case of him shooting the messenger but missing, and shooting himself in the foot.




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