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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/20/2015 10:54:55 PM

TimYearneau

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From link #2:

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For purposes of this chapter, the following definitions apply:
(a) "Commit prostitution" means to engage in sexual conduct for money or other consideration, but does not include sexual conduct engaged in as a part of any stage performance, play, or other entertainment open to the public.

It's acting!!

So by that definition, the women on backpage who offer a sensual massage (which includes a handjob) is a commit prostitute.
Also, a webcam girl that does a private show, which isn't open to the public, would be a commit prostitute.

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/20/2015 11:06:25 PM

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Massage parlors get raided here all the time. Usually some local politician gets caught up in it, hilarity ensues.

Anything on video would likely fall under pornography laws, which are outside of prostitution laws.

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/20/2015 11:06:28 PM

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Why do I keep hearing a voice in my head of a married man declaring he didn't have sex with that woman that was hiding under his desk wearing a red dress?

A blow job is sex.

If someone is climaxing and money is changing hands, someone is selling sexual service. Who cares if it is service, cam girl or prostitution? Why do we need to define it? So someone can look guilty, be judged or arrested? So someone can complain that the only person that will provide a sexual service must be paid?

Is a cam girl better or worse than a prostitute because this is what it sounds like someone wants to prove. What does it really matter? If the men weren't paying for it, the women wouldn't be providing it for financial gain. Which came first, the chicken or the egg and did Eve really ruin both their lives with an apple or did he, because he wanted an apple?

Life doesn't have to be this hard because it really doesn't matter. If he wasn't horny and willing to pay for fun on a phone, computer or under a desk, she wouldn't be providing it. So why try to find fault with women for their wicked behavior, when he started it? lol

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/20/2015 11:11:49 PM

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It was a blue dress.

And why you should always ask if they swallow first.

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/20/2015 11:13:02 PM

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lol

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/20/2015 11:43:06 PM

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I did google the countries where prostitution is legal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_country

I then googled prostitution in those countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Mexico
"Child prostitution is a problem in the country, and Mexico continues to be a destination for pedophiles who engage in child sex tourism. Mexico is one of the leading hot spots of child sexual exploitation, along with Thailand, Cambodia, Colombia, India, and Brazil."
"Mexico is a source, transit, and destination country for persons trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation."

In each country child prostitution, forced prostitution, sexual slavery and human trafficking is wide spread.

"Child prostitution is a problem in the country, and Mexico continues to be a destination for pedophiles who engage in child sex tourism

But, that's not what you said in the original AT ALL.

You have a problem with non adults in the sex trade? OK. I can hang with that. Heck, I'll be your biggest supporter.

I just don't think that was your intent.

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/21/2015 7:03:45 AM

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A prostitute is usually a woman who has been sexually abused and is living in a personal hell.

If that's even true (and I don't even know how you would know it if it was) then that's only the case in certain locations.

It's my experience that in locations where prostitution is legal this isn't the case at all.
I've been a hooker, and the above is definitively not true for me in the slightest.
I know a lot of a hookers, and in my experience, most of them do the job because they prefer it to the alternatives available (you know... the same way most people do the job they have because they prefer it over the alternative jobs available to them), not because of some deep dark past trauma they can't detach from.
Sure, what you're saying might be the case for street walkers in some cities (I don't really have much experience there) but call girls, or hookers in countries/locations where prostitution is legal are rarely doing it because they don't have alternatives available.
They're doing it because the alternatives don't pay as well.

Sexual abuse/trauma/low self-esteem usually doesn't come in the equation, and the few cases where I have seen it, they didn't hook for very long, instead decided that flipping burgers at McDonald's wasn't that bad of a job after all, even if it didn't pay as well.

What country did you work in?

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/21/2015 7:37:35 AM

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No

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/21/2015 7:16:23 PM

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Not at all.
And RS I lol'd at your "dressing like a nun and being very still" line

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 2:38:16 AM

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Google Dictionary defines the noun "Prostitute" as a person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment and the verb "Prostitute", to offer (someone, typically a woman) for sexual activity in exchange for payment.
If payment is involved, then the use of the word is appropriate.
Is anyone going to try to argue that video footage of nakedness is anything but intended as a sexual activity?
We cannot just have our own agenda where words are concerned.
All other discussion is irrelevant.
Now if "Morals" are changing and rendering words pejorative, then there are grounds for not even using or recognising the word.
We "Pay" for so much in our sex lives these days, be it commercial pornography, Sex toys, dating, advertising, so we have to be careful with words and the negative impact they can have on people.

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 2:46:25 AM

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I would add that I have had sex with "Prostitutes" and I do not like the word for the reasons that it is out dated. It is an offensive tag and it demonises me too.
"All the money in the world is spent on feeling good"
Ry Cooder,
So why shouldn't sexual relief count?

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 5:53:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: Throstle

I would add that I have had sex with "Prostitutes" and I do not like the word for the reasons that it is out dated. It is an offensive tag and it demonises me too.
"All the money in the world is spent on feeling good"
Ry Cooder,
So why shouldn't sexual relief count?

To continue this friendly debate:
If one believes that prostitutes come from sexually abused homes, and all the other destructive elements, that statistics claim, then one could claim that if one engages in prostitution that person is enabling and contributing to a profession that destroys lives.

However, if one believes that prostitutes are well-balanced human beings that have never been abused and are doing it to express themselves then that wouldn't be the case.

It would be the same argument for someone who uses meth or coke. That person contributes to a system that destroys lives, as statistics claim. However, if one believes that meth and coke do not destroy lives then it wouldn't be the case.

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 6:04:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Throstle

I would add that I have had sex with "Prostitutes" and I do not like the word for the reasons that it is out dated. It is an offensive tag and it demonises me too.
"All the money in the world is spent on feeling good"
Ry Cooder,
So why shouldn't sexual relief count?

To continue this friendly debate:
If one believes that prostitutes come from sexually abused homes, and all the other destructive elements, that statistics claim, then one could claim that if one engages in prostitution that person is enabling and contributing to a profession that destroys lives.

However, if one believes that prostitutes are well-balanced human beings that have never been abused and are doing it to express themselves then that wouldn't be the case.

It would be the same argument for someone who uses meth or coke. That person contributes to a system that destroys lives, as statistics claim. However, if one believes that meth and coke do not destroy lives then it wouldn't be the case.

What happens if you believe neither, as both are sweeping generalisations?

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 6:27:42 AM

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Well, I do concede to your point. It is maybe unfortunate that vulnerable women do see that all they have to sell is their body.
Isn't it a catch 22 where historically they have been exploited by men and brainwashed into that mind set?
Isn't it also possible that the lives of hundreds of thousands of Thai, Russian, Chinese and Vietnamese women have been enriched by coming to the west to make a family?

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 6:33:29 AM

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Aren't we also forgetting that many cultures around the world have their very young women marrried and bearing children.
Aren't we somewhat hypocritical when we wring our hands over sexualisation of girls at a young age?
We should not ride roughshod over very ancient and evolved systems simply because we think we are moral and they are not.

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 7:44:56 AM

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It is an offensive tag and it demonises me too.

scuse me for snipping the content to the part that resonates with me. Thank you for that!
It is mostly, and you can see plenty of it here, the demonization of female sex workers and prostitutes, hookers, fin dommes, pro dommes, call girls, etc etc because the men are pissed that they actually "have to pay" to get what they want.

Of course there are a lot of women who dont care what they get called and enjoy being called slags, sluts, whores, hookers, ....usually by their other half. And get indignant when called by a random dick on the interwebs or even face to face. Of course there are women who enjoy their work...why shouldnt they.
Personally Id like to see prostitution legalised.
Ishtars point about being a hooker in a legalised form(country) IS different to the US values. (to be fair Canada and the UK is just as bad.

Im proud of my sexuality, I like being in control of my body, I like having sex when I want it with a person I want to have it with. The hardest part for me growing old, is NOT being seen as a sexual being any longer. but thats my issue....

A lot of men are taught grow up believing that they deserve sex. That a woman is easy if she gives up her pussy to anyone, but angry when they have to pay for porn, or sex or webcams, or even phone sex....
Most of the guys that do it just to demonize women...well they are their own worst enemies. Thats the kindest thing I can say.

BTW...
Im pro sex, Im pro sexuality, im even pro men. Im also very pro talking dirty with someone I have a spark with.
I own years worth of sexual content, I own/ed a sex store. Ive been selling lingerie and toys, bdsm gear on and off for 20 years.
Ive counted call girls, pro dommes, dancers, street walkers, hookers, fin dommes as family and friends.
Sex traffickers and pimps/drug dealers/bullies are a line of scum I want no part of. The same with men who need to feel "better" about their proclivities by demonizing the object of their desire....PUSSY
just my two cents

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 7:58:31 AM

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in my humble opinion it looks as if this question only worries male minds whereas the women who replied so far do not bother

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 8:16:21 AM

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I agree.

From my years reading the forums here, I don't recall having come across a "prostitute" thread which was originally posted by a woman.
(I'm not saying no women have begun these threads, I don't read everything everyone posts.)

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 8:23:32 AM

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in my humble opinion it looks as if this question only worries male minds whereas the women who replied so far do not bother

I agree with you...
my first response to this thread was a simple no....
but Throstles post on being demonized was something I hadnt seen before from a guy( I may have missed other postings TBH)

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I agree.

From my years reading the forums here, I don't recall having come across a "prostitute" thread which was originally posted by a woman.
(I'm not saying no women have begun these threads, I don't read everything everyone posts.)

I dont think I have ever seen a pro/fin/prostitute thread started by a woman either.....

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RE: Do You Consider Webcam Women Prostitutes? - 7/22/2015 9:05:46 AM

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I go with Resident Sadist on this one but like him, I don't think there is anything wrong with being a hooker.

As a pro Domme I never had sex with my clients. I touched them but they were forbidden from touching me. I wasn't surprised when people tried to label me a prostitute. Now of course it was meant to be an insult but by accepting that label the accusation could never bother me.

A sex worker is prostituting herself and providing sexual stimulation, be that in person, phone or camera. A person who goes out for dinner with a man and then falls into bed with him is not a prostitute unless she offered to sleep with him in return for a good meal.

DerangedUnit, what makes a wife a prostitute?

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