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joether -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/22/2015 12:40:55 PM)
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
It WAS a horrible massacre.....
Of course it was. No one is downplaying the tragedy of the lives lost. But it could have been much, much worse.
Even 9/11 could have been worse, as unimaginable as that may be.
Acts of true heroism, risking your own life to protect others... That cannot be allowed to go without notice.
The more I look at this topic (the subject matter, not this discussion), the more the following is true:
A ) The attacker knew the sites and maybe even the materials the front 'area's were made of. Most likely having 'cased' the locations on previous times.
B ) Understands the destructive firepower of the tool he was using. Knowing how well it will penetrate materials at 'x' yards away. This is found just about anywhere on the internet in which a 'gun thread' is talking about materials and 'blow through' potential (using physics no less).
C ) This was an ambush. An ambush is defined when side 'A' is ready for an attack/assault, and side 'B' is either not ready or unaware of the attack. Like Sandy Hook, Charlie Hebdo, and other mass shootings; those marines were not expecting any sort of confrontation. The FBI has stated several times that 'lone wolf' operations are very hard to find before their fatal attack takes place.
D ) That in each mass shooting to date, no one has been able to effectively show scientific evidence that one or more persons armed, could have saved innocent lives and/or counter-assaulted the attackers in the first moments of engagement. This was shown with a CBS/Philadelphia PD group, a 2nd amendment group (after the Charlie Hebdo attack), and in various simulations (using paintball, airsoft, and computer generated). Just having a firearm does not give someone a 'ward of invulnerability' or a realistic fighting chance.
E ) The timing of the event. The person drove up in a convertible, took out the weapon, and started shooting. How long would it take any of us to do such a thing? Without anyone knowing anything is wrong until the first bullet is fired? From the first bullet to the end of a magazine, how many people could react, draw a sidearm and place effective rounds down range? An then the guy drives off immediately after putting the gun back where he had it.
Even if armed, its doubtful given conditions, anything would have been different.
F ) The federal authorities knew of some of this ahead of time, but not of this individuals intention. Yet, he was able to obtain a firearm with ease. Ever notice how easily the mass shooters were able to obtain firearms?
What if firearms were restricted? Meaning it would take a sizable amount of money to acquire one. Background check, physical, mental, and emotional health check, and courses on usage. Like what we do with police officers? Like...."A well regulated militia..."? We would find many people becoming even more responsible with firearms. From selling them, owning them, and using them. I'm not saying to ban firearms. I am saying the current model is allowing mass shootings to happen to frequently.
G ) Notice the outrage among people in America. From one side of the political spectrum to the other. We are not as surprised or sad by events. Yes, more so, because it involved US Military people. But shootings take place everyday. Every few weeks/months there is a mass shooting. Yet each time, I feel like we as a nation are less caring about events. That we are less human about things than the previous shooting. That as things go on, we as a nation become more and more less sensitive to this sort of violence. That we become more accepting of it, rather than demanding action to counter it.
How does one enjoy "Life. Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" when their loved ones are mowed down by some lunatic (who may or may not be mentally/emotionally compromised) with a firearm that was easy to obtain and could not direct his/her rage in a positive manner (cus we don't put enough dollars into Behavior Medicine)?
We'll see more shootings. Both on a low and high scale. Many more horrible moments involving firearms. Right now we are forced to answer tough questions that none of us in this nation really want to answer. That rather than answer them, we ignore reality and fact, and keep to a fantasy. And things get worst. At what point does this nation have a serious discussion on firearms? What level of destruction has to take place for us to face reality? Since it has to be worst than Sandy Hook, Chattanooga, Aurora, and Columbine. What event has to take place for this nation to take a serious, objective, and mature look at things? To fact reality rather than fantasy?
It's either:
A ) Going to be something....FUCKING.....awful.
B ) Many smaller but very bad events that either are ' linked together' or just coincidence.
Please, am I the only one worried about how this plays out? Or do you all enjoy attending funerals for loved ones?
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